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Epic Wildshape [Archive] - Wizards Community

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serrated_soldier
03-15-08, 11:39 AM Im bringing this up because i have no idea what to do with myself. Im playing a level 30 druid(or 29 druid/1 monk) and there are like a bajillion options for me. So im wondering...what should i do?
Gemstone
03-15-08, 12:22 PM That depends on a whole lot of factors...
If your group (and DM) is okay with plenty of power, then feel free to put up with power.

But I do recommend to keep your character a bit toned down to not ruin the game (this goes for all spellcasters).

If you want to wildshape around, I suggest Extra Wildshape and the Epic Wildhsape feats,as they let you shift into a whole lot of new forms.

I would probably go:

Fine Wildshape
Improved Elemental Wildshape
Magical Beast companion
Dragon Wild Shape
CrimsonDeath
03-16-08, 03:53 PM Consider a Monk's Belt instead of a Monk level (if your DM agrees that it gets you the Wisdom bonus to AC).
serrated_soldier
03-16-08, 06:16 PM My group and dm are definately ok with power. This is pretty much a one shot adventure (maybe two, if we're a little distracted) and we just plan on slaughtering everything we see. Im definately planning on doing more wildshaping, so extra wildshape will be nice. I just want as much power packed into a single character as physically possible, as im sure the rest of my group will be doing.
Renown0
03-24-08, 04:48 PM Well, now that you have all the wildshape uses, do a couple classes in Master of Many Forms prestige class.

You can find it in the Complete Adventurer, and it gives you all kinds of powerful wildshape effects, including dragons :D .

If your DM only allows 30 levels total... sorry.
Nezkrul
03-24-08, 04:59 PM Druid 18 / Master of Many Forms 7 / Nature's Warrior 5

Full wildshape progression, 21 druid caster levels, you get all extraordinary abilities of any form you assume, you can speak/cast spells with verbal components in virtually any form without needing Natural Spell feat, you get some cool spiffies from nature's warrior (like +5 to your natural armor bonus of your form). If you go this build, you'll want to take all 5 levels of nature's warrior pre epic, as it is a full base attack class as opposed to 3/4 base attack for the other classes.

If you want bonus feats though, I suggest 23 Druid / Master of Many Forms 7, that way you get a bonus feat for druid, you have 23 caster levels, and you still get all Ex qualities for the forms you assume.

Getting all extraordinary attack forms and special qualities of your wildshape forms is soooooo completely worth it for a wildshaping beat stick. Trust me on it.
JobieJones
04-05-08, 02:31 PM Hey bud, I know it's a little complex, but it's my Favorite Build. This is, IMHO, a great wildshaping build, but there is no casting. Hope you can get some ideas.

Rasa, Defender of Eternity
Dwarf (medium)/ Shapechanger subtype
Neutral Good

Ranger (Wildshape Variant) 5/ Deep Warden 2/ Warshaper 3/ Monk 2/ Fist of the Forest 2/
Master of Many Forms 10/ Shifter 6

Languages: Common, Dwarven, Terran, Celestial

STR 31 (13 Base, +4 Inherent, +4 Warshaper, +10 Vow of Poverty)
DEX 19 (9 Base, +4 Inherent, +6 Vow of Poverty)
CON 42 (20 Base, +4 Inherent, +4 Warshaper, +12 Vow of Poverty)
INT 14 (8 Base, +4 Inherent, +2 Vow of Poverty)
WIS 32 (20 Base, +4 Inherent, +8 Vow of Poverty)
CHA 14 (8 Base, +4 Inherent, +4 Vow of Poverty)

Hit Points: 709 (28d8, 2d12, 450 Con, 120 Epic Toughnessx4)
AC: 81 = (10 + 14 Exalted + 9 Deflection + 16 Con (Stonewarden) +
16 Con (AC Bonus) + 3 Natural Armor + 11 Wisdom)
Initiative: +4
BAB: +16
Speed: 40 ft

FORT 54 = (21 Base + 5 Epic + 10 VoP + 16 Con + 2 Great Fort)
REFLEX 35 = (16 Base + 5 Epic + 10 VoP + 4 Dex)
WILL 36 = (10 Base + 5 Epic + 10 VoP + 11 Wis)

ATTACKS:
Fist +39/+34/+29/+24 (16 BAB + 10 Str + 8 VoP + 5 Epic) (Damage: 1d6+18)

FEATS:
1 Sacred Vow
3 Vow of Poverty
6 Great Fortitude
9 Power Attack
12 Alertness
15 Large and in Charge
18 Robilar's Gambit
21 Epic Vow of Poverty
24 Maximize Breath Weapon
27 Combat Expertise
30 Improved Combat Expertise

EXHALTED BONUS FEATS:
4 Nymph's Kiss
6 Servant of the Heavens
8 Nimbus of Light
10 Holy Radiance
12 Stigmata
14 Animal Friend
16 Exalted Spell Resistance
18 Sactify Natural Attack
20 Touch of Golden Ice
22 Overcome Damage Reduction (Adamantine)
24 Epic Toughness
26 Epic Toughness
28 Epic Toughness
30 Epic Toughness

MONK BONUS FEATS:
1 Improved Unarmed Combat
2 Improved Grapple
3 Combat Reflexes

SHIFTER BONUS FEATS:
1 Colossal Wildshape
2 Magical Beast Wildshape

RANGER BONUS FEATS:
1 Track
2 Endurance

SPECIAL ABILITIES:
Darkvision
Stonecunning
Weapon Familiarity
Stability
+2 v. Poison
+2 v. Spells, Spell-like Effects
+1 Attack Bonus v. Orcs, Half-Orcs, Goblinoids
+4 Dodge AC v. Giant Monsters
+2 Appraise on Stone, Metal Items
+2 Craft on Stone, Metal Items
Wild Empathy
Fast Movement +20
Wildshape 11/day
Trap Sense +1
Stone Warden
Morphic Immunities
Morphic Weapons
Morphic Body
Morphic Reach
Flurry of Blows
Evasion
AC Bonus (Wisdom)
AC Bonus (Constitution)
Feral Trance
Primal Living
Unarmed Damage
Uncanny Dodge
Untamed Strike
Shifter's Speech
Improved Wildshape (Diminunitive to Gargantuan)
-Humanoid, Monstrous Humanoid, Giant, Fey
Vermin, Abberation, Plant, Ooze, Elemental
Dragon
Extraordinary Wildshape
Fast Wild Shape
Evershifting Form
Epic Wildshape 3/day

VOW OF POVERTY BONUSES:
AC +14 (Exalted)
+6 to Saves
+5 Deflection
Holy Aura
Holy Wake
+8 Weapons (Silver/Cold Iron)
DR 10 Epic & Evil
+4 Inherent Bonus to Abilities
Resist Energy 30 (all)
Timeless Body
+3 Natural Armor
Endure Elements
Mind-Shielding
Greater Sustenance
Freedom of Movement
Regeneration 1
True Seeing
Nezkrul
04-08-08, 04:11 PM the problem with your favorite build, imo, is that the MoMF is the reprint of Shifter. It's like using 3.0 monk AND 3.5 monk in the same build, but calling them by a different name.

That, and you give up 5 wildshape levels in that build.

and Vow of Poverty doesn't get any better past level 20. There is no printed epic progression for it.
JobieJones
04-09-08, 01:47 AM You're right on those things, mainly...

The Vow of Poverty is a Homebrewed Feat from the Epic Boards, it was approved for the Epic Duels, which this is from.

I actually lose 9 LVLs of Wildshaping with this build, but the Bonuses are, I find, worth it. There Aren't TOO many forms I wanted that had between 22-30 HD, with the exception of the Gibbering Orb(? I think, from Epic Level Handbook). Also the bonuses from Warshaper are great, and you're also getting Con to AC x2, which is making you impossible to hit, other than another optimized 30 LVL character.

As far as the Shifter Class, I am using a statement from the author of the "Master of Many Forms Bible:"

When you reach epic levels, the epic progression is that of the shifter PrC, since the MMF is the official 3.5 update to it.

Anyways, thats just my 2 cents though. I have an alternate to it as well, but I find my all my forms having an AC of over 95 being pretty useful, along with being able to accomplish almost any task, immunity, or ability.:D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
serrated_soldier 03-15-08, 11:39 AM	Im bringing this up because i have no idea what to do with myself. Im playing a level 30 druid(or 29 druid/1 monk) and there are like a bajillion options for me. So im wondering...what should i do?
Gemstone 03-15-08, 12:22 PM	That depends on a whole lot of factors... If your group (and DM) is okay with plenty of power, then feel free to put up with power. But I do recommend to keep your character a bit toned down to not ruin the game (this goes for all spellcasters). If you want to wildshape around, I suggest Extra Wildshape and the Epic Wildhsape feats,as they let you shift into a whole lot of new forms. I would probably go: Fine Wildshape Improved Elemental Wildshape Magical Beast companion Dragon Wild Shape
CrimsonDeath 03-16-08, 03:53 PM	Consider a Monk's Belt instead of a Monk level (if your DM agrees that it gets you the Wisdom bonus to AC).
serrated_soldier 03-16-08, 06:16 PM	My group and dm are definately ok with power. This is pretty much a one shot adventure (maybe two, if we're a little distracted) and we just plan on slaughtering everything we see. Im definately planning on doing more wildshaping, so extra wildshape will be nice. I just want as much power packed into a single character as physically possible, as im sure the rest of my group will be doing.
Renown0 03-24-08, 04:48 PM	Well, now that you have all the wildshape uses, do a couple classes in Master of Many Forms prestige class. You can find it in the Complete Adventurer, and it gives you all kinds of powerful wildshape effects, including dragons :D . If your DM only allows 30 levels total... sorry.
Nezkrul 03-24-08, 04:59 PM	Druid 18 / Master of Many Forms 7 / Nature's Warrior 5 Full wildshape progression, 21 druid caster levels, you get all extraordinary abilities of any form you assume, you can speak/cast spells with verbal components in virtually any form without needing Natural Spell feat, you get some cool spiffies from nature's warrior (like +5 to your natural armor bonus of your form). If you go this build, you'll want to take all 5 levels of nature's warrior pre epic, as it is a full base attack class as opposed to 3/4 base attack for the other classes. If you want bonus feats though, I suggest 23 Druid / Master of Many Forms 7, that way you get a bonus feat for druid, you have 23 caster levels, and you still get all Ex qualities for the forms you assume. Getting all extraordinary attack forms and special qualities of your wildshape forms is soooooo completely worth it for a wildshaping beat stick. Trust me on it.
JobieJones 04-05-08, 02:31 PM	Hey bud, I know it's a little complex, but it's my Favorite Build. This is, IMHO, a great wildshaping build, but there is no casting. Hope you can get some ideas. Rasa, Defender of Eternity Dwarf (medium)/ Shapechanger subtype Neutral Good Ranger (Wildshape Variant) 5/ Deep Warden 2/ Warshaper 3/ Monk 2/ Fist of the Forest 2/ Master of Many Forms 10/ Shifter 6 Languages: Common, Dwarven, Terran, Celestial STR 31 (13 Base, +4 Inherent, +4 Warshaper, +10 Vow of Poverty) DEX 19 (9 Base, +4 Inherent, +6 Vow of Poverty) CON 42 (20 Base, +4 Inherent, +4 Warshaper, +12 Vow of Poverty) INT 14 (8 Base, +4 Inherent, +2 Vow of Poverty) WIS 32 (20 Base, +4 Inherent, +8 Vow of Poverty) CHA 14 (8 Base, +4 Inherent, +4 Vow of Poverty) Hit Points: 709 (28d8, 2d12, 450 Con, 120 Epic Toughnessx4) AC: 81 = (10 + 14 Exalted + 9 Deflection + 16 Con (Stonewarden) + 16 Con (AC Bonus) + 3 Natural Armor + 11 Wisdom) Initiative: +4 BAB: +16 Speed: 40 ft FORT 54 = (21 Base + 5 Epic + 10 VoP + 16 Con + 2 Great Fort) REFLEX 35 = (16 Base + 5 Epic + 10 VoP + 4 Dex) WILL 36 = (10 Base + 5 Epic + 10 VoP + 11 Wis) ATTACKS: Fist +39/+34/+29/+24 (16 BAB + 10 Str + 8 VoP + 5 Epic) (Damage: 1d6+18) FEATS: 1 Sacred Vow 3 Vow of Poverty 6 Great Fortitude 9 Power Attack 12 Alertness 15 Large and in Charge 18 Robilar's Gambit 21 Epic Vow of Poverty 24 Maximize Breath Weapon 27 Combat Expertise 30 Improved Combat Expertise EXHALTED BONUS FEATS: 4 Nymph's Kiss 6 Servant of the Heavens 8 Nimbus of Light 10 Holy Radiance 12 Stigmata 14 Animal Friend 16 Exalted Spell Resistance 18 Sactify Natural Attack 20 Touch of Golden Ice 22 Overcome Damage Reduction (Adamantine) 24 Epic Toughness 26 Epic Toughness 28 Epic Toughness 30 Epic Toughness MONK BONUS FEATS: 1 Improved Unarmed Combat 2 Improved Grapple 3 Combat Reflexes SHIFTER BONUS FEATS: 1 Colossal Wildshape 2 Magical Beast Wildshape RANGER BONUS FEATS: 1 Track 2 Endurance SPECIAL ABILITIES: Darkvision Stonecunning Weapon Familiarity Stability +2 v. Poison +2 v. Spells, Spell-like Effects +1 Attack Bonus v. Orcs, Half-Orcs, Goblinoids +4 Dodge AC v. Giant Monsters +2 Appraise on Stone, Metal Items +2 Craft on Stone, Metal Items Wild Empathy Fast Movement +20 Wildshape 11/day Trap Sense +1 Stone Warden Morphic Immunities Morphic Weapons Morphic Body Morphic Reach Flurry of Blows Evasion AC Bonus (Wisdom) AC Bonus (Constitution) Feral Trance Primal Living Unarmed Damage Uncanny Dodge Untamed Strike Shifter's Speech Improved Wildshape (Diminunitive to Gargantuan) -Humanoid, Monstrous Humanoid, Giant, Fey Vermin, Abberation, Plant, Ooze, Elemental Dragon Extraordinary Wildshape Fast Wild Shape Evershifting Form Epic Wildshape 3/day VOW OF POVERTY BONUSES: AC +14 (Exalted) +6 to Saves +5 Deflection Holy Aura Holy Wake +8 Weapons (Silver/Cold Iron) DR 10 Epic & Evil +4 Inherent Bonus to Abilities Resist Energy 30 (all) Timeless Body +3 Natural Armor Endure Elements Mind-Shielding Greater Sustenance Freedom of Movement Regeneration 1 True Seeing
Nezkrul 04-08-08, 04:11 PM	the problem with your favorite build, imo, is that the MoMF is the reprint of Shifter. It's like using 3.0 monk AND 3.5 monk in the same build, but calling them by a different name. That, and you give up 5 wildshape levels in that build. and Vow of Poverty doesn't get any better past level 20. There is no printed epic progression for it.
JobieJones 04-09-08, 01:47 AM	You're right on those things, mainly... The Vow of Poverty is a Homebrewed Feat from the Epic Boards, it was approved for the Epic Duels, which this is from. I actually lose 9 LVLs of Wildshaping with this build, but the Bonuses are, I find, worth it. There Aren't TOO many forms I wanted that had between 22-30 HD, with the exception of the Gibbering Orb(? I think, from Epic Level Handbook). Also the bonuses from Warshaper are great, and you're also getting Con to AC x2, which is making you impossible to hit, other than another optimized 30 LVL character. As far as the Shifter Class, I am using a statement from the author of the "Master of Many Forms Bible:" When you reach epic levels, the epic progression is that of the shifter PrC, since the MMF is the official 3.5 update to it. Anyways, thats just my 2 cents though. I have an alternate to it as well, but I find my all my forms having an AC of over 95 being pretty useful, along with being able to accomplish almost any task, immunity, or ability.:D