Lucifer the satan [Archive] - Wizards Community

Lucifer the satan [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Grandmaster_Kane
06-01-07, 02:30 PM I have seen the stats for Amodeus and Verrier and both are quite impressive but it leaves me wondering if anybofy ever bothered to vreate stats for lucifer.

I have also seen the stats for the lady of pain and they are crazy. I always imagined Lucifers stats to be around there but does anybody have any stats for him or a link or somthing?
Witch
06-01-07, 02:34 PM No DF official stats for Lucifer will be released - Serge and Kain disagree on the issue on whether he still lives, and they want to leave it up to individual DMs to determine how to handle him.

Palindrome is working on some stats, though.
kreesteeyan
06-01-07, 02:36 PM IIRC, Kain has stats of Lucifer in his alternate cosmic threads.
Witch
06-01-07, 02:38 PM His alternate cosmics aren't compatible with official DF stats, though.
Aluroon
06-01-07, 05:26 PM No DF official stats for Lucifer will be released - Serge and Kain disagree on the issue on whether he still lives, and they want to leave it up to individual DMs to determine how to handle him.

Palindrome is working on some stats, though.

I've always viewed Lucifer the Satan, if he were to still exist, as not the true Lucifer, but instead a deity created by the prayers, belief, and fear.

In short, even though I view Lucifer the Satan as dead (as he was an avatar of the Overlord and thus subject to destruction anytime he wished it) there is still A Lucifer the Satan, who holds nearly the same beliefs, memories, and portfolios.
Issabella
06-01-07, 05:41 PM since in DF cosmology Lucifer and Asmodeus are simply avatars of the Overlord, he could simply re absorb or re create the Satan as it pleases (within the divine rules for avatars) My version of Lucifer would be far more martial and military to Asmodeus magical and political, but that is just me
Ertai Planeswalker
06-02-07, 12:30 AM I always thought that Asmodeus = Satan in D&D? I mean, Satan is traditionally the overlord of evil and the ruler of hell, which is what Asmodeus is in D&D.
Witch
06-02-07, 02:33 AM I always thought that Asmodeus = Satan in D&D? I mean, Satan is traditionally the overlord of evil and the ruler of hell, which is what Asmodeus is in D&D.

Given that he's obviously talking about Dicefreaks cosmology (because he refers to Verrier and uses the term "Lucifer the Satan"), such is incorrect. Asmodeus the Devil and Lucifer the Satan are not the same creature, although they are both avatars of the Overlord of Hell (not of evil).
Kihon
06-02-07, 06:47 PM I'm not sure in which book I read it, but the Lady of Pain is according to one source - one of two Powers that began creation. The other eventually wanted to destroy what they had begun, and she locked him away. She was before the gods, is above the gods, and is totally unknown to the gods. No one knows who, or what, she really is. Again this is according to one source, but it goes a long ways to explaining why they can't force their way in to the city of doors.
blood_of_the_ancient
06-04-07, 12:15 AM peanut

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Grandmaster_Kane 06-01-07, 02:30 PM	I have seen the stats for Amodeus and Verrier and both are quite impressive but it leaves me wondering if anybofy ever bothered to vreate stats for lucifer. I have also seen the stats for the lady of pain and they are crazy. I always imagined Lucifers stats to be around there but does anybody have any stats for him or a link or somthing?
Witch 06-01-07, 02:34 PM	No DF official stats for Lucifer will be released - Serge and Kain disagree on the issue on whether he still lives, and they want to leave it up to individual DMs to determine how to handle him. Palindrome is working on some stats, though.
kreesteeyan 06-01-07, 02:36 PM	IIRC, Kain has stats of Lucifer in his alternate cosmic threads.
Witch 06-01-07, 02:38 PM	His alternate cosmics aren't compatible with official DF stats, though.
Aluroon 06-01-07, 05:26 PM	No DF official stats for Lucifer will be released - Serge and Kain disagree on the issue on whether he still lives, and they want to leave it up to individual DMs to determine how to handle him. Palindrome is working on some stats, though. I've always viewed Lucifer the Satan, if he were to still exist, as not the true Lucifer, but instead a deity created by the prayers, belief, and fear. In short, even though I view Lucifer the Satan as dead (as he was an avatar of the Overlord and thus subject to destruction anytime he wished it) there is still A Lucifer the Satan, who holds nearly the same beliefs, memories, and portfolios.
Issabella 06-01-07, 05:41 PM	since in DF cosmology Lucifer and Asmodeus are simply avatars of the Overlord, he could simply re absorb or re create the Satan as it pleases (within the divine rules for avatars) My version of Lucifer would be far more martial and military to Asmodeus magical and political, but that is just me
Ertai Planeswalker 06-02-07, 12:30 AM	I always thought that Asmodeus = Satan in D&D? I mean, Satan is traditionally the overlord of evil and the ruler of hell, which is what Asmodeus is in D&D.
Witch 06-02-07, 02:33 AM	I always thought that Asmodeus = Satan in D&D? I mean, Satan is traditionally the overlord of evil and the ruler of hell, which is what Asmodeus is in D&D. Given that he's obviously talking about Dicefreaks cosmology (because he refers to Verrier and uses the term "Lucifer the Satan"), such is incorrect. Asmodeus the Devil and Lucifer the Satan are not the same creature, although they are both avatars of the Overlord of Hell (not of evil).
Kihon 06-02-07, 06:47 PM	I'm not sure in which book I read it, but the Lady of Pain is according to one source - one of two Powers that began creation. The other eventually wanted to destroy what they had begun, and she locked him away. She was before the gods, is above the gods, and is totally unknown to the gods. No one knows who, or what, she really is. Again this is according to one source, but it goes a long ways to explaining why they can't force their way in to the city of doors.
blood_of_the_ancient 06-04-07, 12:15 AM	peanut