Magic Immunity for epic levels. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Magic Immunity for epic levels. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
vindictous
10-07-07, 09:36 AM I was sifting through the epic lvl handbook and a number of creatures have a magic immunity (including golems and the demilich) which in the core books (also under golems) stated that it was only against spells that had allowed spell resistance (and certain spells), but is the demilich affected by spells that ignore spell resistance?

Now there may have been postes about this before but I couldn't find any.
Taeldrin Laesrash
10-07-07, 10:17 AM While the golems are only affected by no-SR spells, the demilich is explicitly immune to all spells except the ones noted in its entry.
vindictous
10-07-07, 10:46 AM oh.. cause the golems in the epic book have the same entries for their magic immunities as the demilich... i'm assuming the demilich can suppress this at will to gain the affects of benificial items and spells, so could a caster ready an action to dump a spell on him to when he lowered that defense otherwise it would be immune?

and is there a template for a good aligned demilich anywhere?
BillTheManiac
10-07-07, 11:33 AM oh.. cause the golems in the epic book have the same entries for their magic immunities as the demilich... i'm assuming the demilich can suppress this at will to gain the affects of benificial items and spells, so could a caster ready an action to dump a spell on him to when he lowered that defense otherwise it would be immune?

and is there a template for a good aligned demilich anywhere?

Hmmm... replace every evil ability with a similar good ability. Replace the type with deathless if you have BoED. Simple.
Taeldrin Laesrash
10-07-07, 11:34 AM Really? I missed that. They may be the same, maybe I've always made them immune. Demiliches have Phylactery Transference, so they can gain the effects of magic items near their phylactery. As far as a good demilich goes, you could just change the alignment requirement, although I doubt that many good beings sequester themelf in a godforsaken chamber and lets their body fall apart.
rob_douglas
10-07-07, 12:49 PM The epic golems and demilich suffer from 3.0-ness. The ability of 3.0 Golems was the same Magic Immunity you see in the Epic Level Handbook and Epic SRD. In 3.5, it was changed to Immunity it Magic, and not updated in the Epic stuff.

The main reason is that it is harder to adjudicate without using the SR argument on what should affect a demilich. Is it immune to you summoning a vat of acid to dip it in? A Wal of Iron that falls on it. Can it walk through a Wall of Force, or a Wall of Stone?

The one thing that really got cheated for golems was that they became vulnerable to dragon breath. I would go with Immunity to Magic, but if you have specific no-SR abilities you want them to be immune to - add them in as well, such as all dragon breath.

ROB

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
vindictous 10-07-07, 09:36 AM	I was sifting through the epic lvl handbook and a number of creatures have a magic immunity (including golems and the demilich) which in the core books (also under golems) stated that it was only against spells that had allowed spell resistance (and certain spells), but is the demilich affected by spells that ignore spell resistance? Now there may have been postes about this before but I couldn't find any.
Taeldrin Laesrash 10-07-07, 10:17 AM	While the golems are only affected by no-SR spells, the demilich is explicitly immune to all spells except the ones noted in its entry.
vindictous 10-07-07, 10:46 AM	oh.. cause the golems in the epic book have the same entries for their magic immunities as the demilich... i'm assuming the demilich can suppress this at will to gain the affects of benificial items and spells, so could a caster ready an action to dump a spell on him to when he lowered that defense otherwise it would be immune? and is there a template for a good aligned demilich anywhere?
BillTheManiac 10-07-07, 11:33 AM	oh.. cause the golems in the epic book have the same entries for their magic immunities as the demilich... i'm assuming the demilich can suppress this at will to gain the affects of benificial items and spells, so could a caster ready an action to dump a spell on him to when he lowered that defense otherwise it would be immune? and is there a template for a good aligned demilich anywhere? Hmmm... replace every evil ability with a similar good ability. Replace the type with deathless if you have BoED. Simple.
Taeldrin Laesrash 10-07-07, 11:34 AM	Really? I missed that. They may be the same, maybe I've always made them immune. Demiliches have Phylactery Transference, so they can gain the effects of magic items near their phylactery. As far as a good demilich goes, you could just change the alignment requirement, although I doubt that many good beings sequester themelf in a godforsaken chamber and lets their body fall apart.
rob_douglas 10-07-07, 12:49 PM	The epic golems and demilich suffer from 3.0-ness. The ability of 3.0 Golems was the same Magic Immunity you see in the Epic Level Handbook and Epic SRD. In 3.5, it was changed to Immunity it Magic, and not updated in the Epic stuff. The main reason is that it is harder to adjudicate without using the SR argument on what should affect a demilich. Is it immune to you summoning a vat of acid to dip it in? A Wal of Iron that falls on it. Can it walk through a Wall of Force, or a Wall of Stone? The one thing that really got cheated for golems was that they became vulnerable to dragon breath. I would go with Immunity to Magic, but if you have specific no-SR abilities you want them to be immune to - add them in as well, such as all dragon breath. ROB