Max damage? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Max damage? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Peregrine_Wolf
02-25-08, 06:04 PM Hey everyone, It's good to be back.

So while I was on break for several months I discovered something I thought was very scary. Based on my discovery, I've come up with a challenge for you guys here on the epics board. I want to see who can come up with the highest damage potential in 2 rounds.

There are no restrictions on class, race etc, except you must be ecl 40.

Good luck, and have fun trying to beat me :smirk:
Tequila_Sunrise
02-25-08, 07:28 PM Simple, I'm the DM so anything you can do I can do with +1 damage!
Tshern
02-25-08, 07:43 PM Infinite. Anything you can come up with, I'll link you to a better result achieved at level 20.
Graah
02-25-08, 10:32 PM Infinite. Anything you can come up with, I'll link you to a better result achieved at level 20.
Pun-Pun needs just level 6. (I think it might have been done at level 2, but haven't seen that.)
weasel0
02-25-08, 10:48 PM Level 1, is what I hear. Something about max ranks in Kn:Religion to summon some dude and ask for a candle to summon a Djinn or something. Doesn't even need to be a Kobold anymore either. But he still is. Just cause it's nostalgic.
Taeldrin Laesrash
02-26-08, 12:22 AM Here's a relatively simple trick. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=855878) Seriously, look at the Theoretical Optimization Board. They've done infinite damage several times. It's out of style now.
rob_douglas
02-26-08, 01:23 PM That's the one I was thinking of - Aura of Chaos, with the Luck feat that lets you treat 1's as 2's, and a d2 weapon. You roll for damage, but always make it 2, and that triggers Aura of Chaos, allowing you to repeat, the damage roll infinitely.

Actually looking for intentional max damage with ECL 40 is different. There really are so many loopholes and combinations to send damage through the stratosphere.

ROB
Tshern
02-26-08, 01:59 PM Pun-Pun needs just level 6. (I think it might have been done at level 2, but haven't seen that.)
Level 1 actually.
LordBOB777
02-26-08, 02:13 PM That's the one I was thinking of - Aura of Chaos, with the Luck feat that lets you treat 1's as 2's, and a d2 weapon. You roll for damage, but always make it 2, and that triggers Aura of Chaos, allowing you to repeat, the damage roll infinitely.

Actually looking for intentional max damage with ECL 40 is different. There really are so many loopholes and combinations to send damage through the stratosphere.

ROB

I've heard a lot of arguments about that combo. Since 1's are always treated as 2's, I dont think you actually need to roll any dice, and since you dont roll anything, the combo doesnt work. AFAIK.
CrimsonDeath
02-26-08, 08:03 PM Here's a relatively simple trick. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=855878) Seriously, look at the Theoretical Optimization Board. They've done infinite damage several times. It's out of style now.

Yeah, it's more interesting to set finite damage records. (Not that I've ever done so, but it's fun to watch.) I understand that the current record (I'm not sure if it's one-round or one-hit) requires Knuth's up-arrow notation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth's_up-arrow_notation) to write.

I've heard a lot of arguments about that combo. Since 1's are always treated as 2's, I dont think you actually need to roll any dice, and since you dont roll anything, the combo doesnt work. AFAIK.

Does the fact that you know the result really mean that you don't need to roll the dice?
Taeldrin Laesrash
02-27-08, 12:06 AM Yeah, it's more interesting to set finite damage records. (Not that I've ever done so, but it's fun to watch.) I understand that the current record (I'm not sure if it's one-round or one-hit) requires Knuth's up-arrow notation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth's_up-arrow_notation) to write.

Yes, but from what I remember, it's maddeningly complex. I bet you could do some crazy stuff with the Locate City bomb at these levels.
rob_douglas
02-27-08, 11:07 AM Nowhere in the rules does it say that you don't roll you 1d2 damage when you treat all 1's as 2's. You still roll, you just treat the ones as 2s. Again, it is a rules lawyery, careless writing, careless DMing issue only. I certainly wouldn't allow it. But how many times do we get people arguing that something is RAW and that makes it right? ;)

ROB
Tshern
02-27-08, 11:23 AM Nowhere in the rules does it say that you don't roll you 1d2 damage when you treat all 1's as 2's. You still roll, you just treat the ones as 2s. Again, it is a rules lawyery, careless writing, careless DMing issue only. I certainly wouldn't allow it. But how many times do we get people arguing that something is RAW and that makes it right? ;)

ROB
And how many people actually try using (nigh-)infinite damage loops, unlimited wishes or even worse stuff, like Artificers (I actually play one), in normal games?
CrimsonDeath
02-27-08, 03:50 PM Yes, but from what I remember, it's maddeningly complex. I bet you could do some crazy stuff with the Locate City bomb at these levels.

There's still debate over whether the Locate City bomb even works, specifically regarding whether its area is one of those that qualifies for the Explosive Spell feat.
the_dark_one_of_twilight
02-27-08, 05:07 PM instant death from death to enemies
Peregrine_Wolf
03-22-08, 03:09 PM OK, so you guys all beat me, but what I had in mind was taking the chargeable fireball(afb atm so can't give exact name, in PHB2 I believe) and applying the following metamagic feats to it:Energy Substitution(electricity), Born of Three Thunders, Energy Admixture, Intesnify Spell, that epic feat that increases damage dice by 10, and taking the feat that allows you to lower the spell level modification from metamagic. Came out to several thousand damage, but your stunned for the following round, and probably everything in the blast radius also.....
Tshern
03-22-08, 03:16 PM Quite unsurprising that Theoretical Optimization board had something that beat you. After all, it is the home of most broken cheese ever. You had a nice idea there though.
Senevri
03-29-08, 03:05 PM What, no Twin?

If you have uncapped elemental damage, you can get 4xCL damage in a round with a single spell quite easily.

... are there any uncapped elemental spells?
Taeldrin Laesrash
03-29-08, 11:55 PM What, no Twin?

If you have uncapped elemental damage, you can get 4xCL damage in a round with a single spell quite easily.

... are there any uncapped elemental spells?

Maw of Chaos (SpC) isn't elemental, but I do believe it's uncapped. That's a nasty spell to have more of.
Senevri
03-30-08, 09:55 AM Obedient Avalanche.

MoC is awesome, but it does zilch against Fiends, Eladrin, Slaad etc.
Terronus
03-30-08, 12:26 PM I believe cometfall from CD is uncapped as well, but it does physical damage.
insatium
03-31-08, 11:52 PM That was reprinted in Spell Compendium to cap at 20d6. There's always Explosive Born of the Three Thunders Widened Apocalypse from the Sky...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Peregrine_Wolf 02-25-08, 06:04 PM	Hey everyone, It's good to be back. So while I was on break for several months I discovered something I thought was very scary. Based on my discovery, I've come up with a challenge for you guys here on the epics board. I want to see who can come up with the highest damage potential in 2 rounds. There are no restrictions on class, race etc, except you must be ecl 40. Good luck, and have fun trying to beat me :smirk:
Tequila_Sunrise 02-25-08, 07:28 PM	Simple, I'm the DM so anything you can do I can do with +1 damage!
Tshern 02-25-08, 07:43 PM	Infinite. Anything you can come up with, I'll link you to a better result achieved at level 20.
Graah 02-25-08, 10:32 PM	Infinite. Anything you can come up with, I'll link you to a better result achieved at level 20. Pun-Pun needs just level 6. (I think it might have been done at level 2, but haven't seen that.)
weasel0 02-25-08, 10:48 PM	Level 1, is what I hear. Something about max ranks in Kn:Religion to summon some dude and ask for a candle to summon a Djinn or something. Doesn't even need to be a Kobold anymore either. But he still is. Just cause it's nostalgic.
Taeldrin Laesrash 02-26-08, 12:22 AM	Here's a relatively simple trick. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=855878) Seriously, look at the Theoretical Optimization Board. They've done infinite damage several times. It's out of style now.
rob_douglas 02-26-08, 01:23 PM	That's the one I was thinking of - Aura of Chaos, with the Luck feat that lets you treat 1's as 2's, and a d2 weapon. You roll for damage, but always make it 2, and that triggers Aura of Chaos, allowing you to repeat, the damage roll infinitely. Actually looking for intentional max damage with ECL 40 is different. There really are so many loopholes and combinations to send damage through the stratosphere. ROB
Tshern 02-26-08, 01:59 PM	Pun-Pun needs just level 6. (I think it might have been done at level 2, but haven't seen that.) Level 1 actually.
LordBOB777 02-26-08, 02:13 PM	That's the one I was thinking of - Aura of Chaos, with the Luck feat that lets you treat 1's as 2's, and a d2 weapon. You roll for damage, but always make it 2, and that triggers Aura of Chaos, allowing you to repeat, the damage roll infinitely. Actually looking for intentional max damage with ECL 40 is different. There really are so many loopholes and combinations to send damage through the stratosphere. ROB I've heard a lot of arguments about that combo. Since 1's are always treated as 2's, I dont think you actually need to roll any dice, and since you dont roll anything, the combo doesnt work. AFAIK.
CrimsonDeath 02-26-08, 08:03 PM	Here's a relatively simple trick. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=855878) Seriously, look at the Theoretical Optimization Board. They've done infinite damage several times. It's out of style now. Yeah, it's more interesting to set finite damage records. (Not that I've ever done so, but it's fun to watch.) I understand that the current record (I'm not sure if it's one-round or one-hit) requires Knuth's up-arrow notation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth's_up-arrow_notation) to write. I've heard a lot of arguments about that combo. Since 1's are always treated as 2's, I dont think you actually need to roll any dice, and since you dont roll anything, the combo doesnt work. AFAIK. Does the fact that you know the result really mean that you don't need to roll the dice?
Taeldrin Laesrash 02-27-08, 12:06 AM	Yeah, it's more interesting to set finite damage records. (Not that I've ever done so, but it's fun to watch.) I understand that the current record (I'm not sure if it's one-round or one-hit) requires Knuth's up-arrow notation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuth's_up-arrow_notation) to write. Yes, but from what I remember, it's maddeningly complex. I bet you could do some crazy stuff with the Locate City bomb at these levels.
rob_douglas 02-27-08, 11:07 AM	Nowhere in the rules does it say that you don't roll you 1d2 damage when you treat all 1's as 2's. You still roll, you just treat the ones as 2s. Again, it is a rules lawyery, careless writing, careless DMing issue only. I certainly wouldn't allow it. But how many times do we get people arguing that something is RAW and that makes it right? ;) ROB
Tshern 02-27-08, 11:23 AM	Nowhere in the rules does it say that you don't roll you 1d2 damage when you treat all 1's as 2's. You still roll, you just treat the ones as 2s. Again, it is a rules lawyery, careless writing, careless DMing issue only. I certainly wouldn't allow it. But how many times do we get people arguing that something is RAW and that makes it right? ;) ROB And how many people actually try using (nigh-)infinite damage loops, unlimited wishes or even worse stuff, like Artificers (I actually play one), in normal games?
CrimsonDeath 02-27-08, 03:50 PM	Yes, but from what I remember, it's maddeningly complex. I bet you could do some crazy stuff with the Locate City bomb at these levels. There's still debate over whether the Locate City bomb even works, specifically regarding whether its area is one of those that qualifies for the Explosive Spell feat.
the_dark_one_of_twilight 02-27-08, 05:07 PM	instant death from death to enemies
Peregrine_Wolf 03-22-08, 03:09 PM	OK, so you guys all beat me, but what I had in mind was taking the chargeable fireball(afb atm so can't give exact name, in PHB2 I believe) and applying the following metamagic feats to it:Energy Substitution(electricity), Born of Three Thunders, Energy Admixture, Intesnify Spell, that epic feat that increases damage dice by 10, and taking the feat that allows you to lower the spell level modification from metamagic. Came out to several thousand damage, but your stunned for the following round, and probably everything in the blast radius also.....
Tshern 03-22-08, 03:16 PM	Quite unsurprising that Theoretical Optimization board had something that beat you. After all, it is the home of most broken cheese ever. You had a nice idea there though.
Senevri 03-29-08, 03:05 PM	What, no Twin? If you have uncapped elemental damage, you can get 4xCL damage in a round with a single spell quite easily. ... are there any uncapped elemental spells?
Taeldrin Laesrash 03-29-08, 11:55 PM	What, no Twin? If you have uncapped elemental damage, you can get 4xCL damage in a round with a single spell quite easily. ... are there any uncapped elemental spells? Maw of Chaos (SpC) isn't elemental, but I do believe it's uncapped. That's a nasty spell to have more of.
Senevri 03-30-08, 09:55 AM	Obedient Avalanche. MoC is awesome, but it does zilch against Fiends, Eladrin, Slaad etc.
Terronus 03-30-08, 12:26 PM	I believe cometfall from CD is uncapped as well, but it does physical damage.
insatium 03-31-08, 11:52 PM	That was reprinted in Spell Compendium to cap at 20d6. There's always Explosive Born of the Three Thunders Widened Apocalypse from the Sky...