Racial Questions [Archive] - Wizards Community

Racial Questions [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lejes
02-26-07, 04:34 AM In a campaign that has been brewing for a time, the heroes are set to battle the spawn of the Paragon Succubus, her first children that were sired from her coupling with the Dark Prince, Grazzt.

Now, these children would obviously hold some power.. greater than even regular succubus or incubi. Due to the infernal heritage of their father as well.
And thus, they will be granted the Paragon template as well not to mention some other unique gifts that are different depending on their specialties.

However, one of the wrenches in the storyline will be a bit of behind the scenes help from one of her other bastard children.
This one, however, was born thousands of years later.. and was born from union of both our Paragon Succubus, and a Ghaele who was seduced by her.

Now, this other younger child.. whose father is obviously far weaker than that of the older siblings.. leaves me at a loss for what kind of abilities and templates to put on him.
I would still like him to be quite evil, and believe that since he is the son of the original succubus, that he is a full blooded succubus and that the blood of his celestial father is somewhat overruled in this case.. perhaps even a half-celestial.
But.. should this son also be a paragon like his siblings? Since he is still a second generation of demon?
Should he still have his own unique set of abilities as well?

Any help is appreciated.
Thanks!

~Lejes
bluemage55
02-26-07, 04:58 AM Even the first generation probably shouldn't be paragon.

A paragon is the pinnacle of a given species, but the children in question are half-breeds. How can they represent the epitome of a species if they belong to no particular species?

The paragon template probably shouldn't breed true (as is the case for most templates). That means that unless a creature has two paragons for parents, it will not be born a paragon. Instead, represent it's half-paragon status by giving it maximum ability scores. The base creature should be a unique demon that is similar to a watered-down Graz'zt.

The younger child would not make sense from a mechanical standpoint, as half-celestials are always good and half-fiends are always evil. As a special exception for the sake of the story, make it either a half-celestial succubus or half-fiend ghaele, and require it to be any neutral alignment. As with the other children, give it maximum ability scores to represent it's mother's paragon status.
DragonLich
03-05-07, 07:26 PM Think of the half-species as Blade, from the movie of the same name. He was a quote unquote half-breed, but the best because that was what his race needed, the strengths of both and weaknesses of none.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lejes 02-26-07, 04:34 AM	In a campaign that has been brewing for a time, the heroes are set to battle the spawn of the Paragon Succubus, her first children that were sired from her coupling with the Dark Prince, Grazzt. Now, these children would obviously hold some power.. greater than even regular succubus or incubi. Due to the infernal heritage of their father as well. And thus, they will be granted the Paragon template as well not to mention some other unique gifts that are different depending on their specialties. However, one of the wrenches in the storyline will be a bit of behind the scenes help from one of her other bastard children. This one, however, was born thousands of years later.. and was born from union of both our Paragon Succubus, and a Ghaele who was seduced by her. Now, this other younger child.. whose father is obviously far weaker than that of the older siblings.. leaves me at a loss for what kind of abilities and templates to put on him. I would still like him to be quite evil, and believe that since he is the son of the original succubus, that he is a full blooded succubus and that the blood of his celestial father is somewhat overruled in this case.. perhaps even a half-celestial. But.. should this son also be a paragon like his siblings? Since he is still a second generation of demon? Should he still have his own unique set of abilities as well? Any help is appreciated. Thanks! ~Lejes
bluemage55 02-26-07, 04:58 AM	Even the first generation probably shouldn't be paragon. A paragon is the pinnacle of a given species, but the children in question are half-breeds. How can they represent the epitome of a species if they belong to no particular species? The paragon template probably shouldn't breed true (as is the case for most templates). That means that unless a creature has two paragons for parents, it will not be born a paragon. Instead, represent it's half-paragon status by giving it maximum ability scores. The base creature should be a unique demon that is similar to a watered-down Graz'zt. The younger child would not make sense from a mechanical standpoint, as half-celestials are always good and half-fiends are always evil. As a special exception for the sake of the story, make it either a half-celestial succubus or half-fiend ghaele, and require it to be any neutral alignment. As with the other children, give it maximum ability scores to represent it's mother's paragon status.
DragonLich 03-05-07, 07:26 PM	Think of the half-species as Blade, from the movie of the same name. He was a quote unquote half-breed, but the best because that was what his race needed, the strengths of both and weaknesses of none.