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The source spider (need help) [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Grandmaster_Kane
06-30-07, 06:16 PM Can anybody post the following stat block for this monster:

Colossal+ Paragon Half-Fiend Phrenic Spider
SokenzanMarauder
06-30-07, 06:41 PM Do it yourself, it's not hard and you'll probably learn something from doing it too.

Besides, you've asked for all this stuff and if by the odd chance that someone actually wants to help you they'll have no idea where to go for it. List some sources.

-Gene
Grandmaster_Kane
06-30-07, 08:22 PM The sources are

Epic level hand book - Colossal+ & Paragon
Psonic handbook- Phrenic
Monster maneul- Colossal spider & half-feind template

The thing is I would do it myself but i have recently lost me mm books >.<
SokenzanMarauder
06-30-07, 08:55 PM Ouch.

In that case, if I get some time later today I might work it out for you.

-Gene
fnord
06-30-07, 10:37 PM The hard part would be extrapolating the stats for a Colossal+ Monstrous spider.

I'd say, compared to the Colossal spider, it has double the hit dice, +6 strength, -2 dex, probably +15 or so natural armor, and a 4d8 (instead of 4d6) bite. Meaning +2 or +3 CR.
Taeldrin Laesrash
07-01-07, 02:17 AM Don't forget the SRD. You've got that for everything except Colossal+. I'd try and help, but I should get some sleep.
Grandmaster_Kane
07-01-07, 09:18 PM Still waiting.... If anybody could help it would be greatly appreciated
ArochanoX
07-02-07, 03:53 AM Try titanic template in the MM2, and then add those phrenic half-fiend curiosities.
bluemage55
07-02-07, 04:39 PM Still waiting.... If anybody could help it would be greatly appreciated

Stop being lazy.

Try doing it yourself first, and then people will correct the mistakes.
Grandmaster_Kane
07-02-07, 08:10 PM Stop being lazy.

Try doing it yourself first, and then people will correct the mistakes.

Dude did you even read all of the post before you made a butthole out of yourself?

I lost my mm books. That mean i would have to buy more. Which i cant do atm.
Taeldrin Laesrash
07-02-07, 08:21 PM Dude did you even read all of the post before you made a butthole out of yourself?

I lost my mm books. That mean i would have to buy more. Which i cant do atm.

SRD. Has everything you need. In my sig.
dok
07-02-07, 09:50 PM Dude did you even read all of the post before you made a butthole out of yourself?

I lost my mm books. That mean i would have to buy more. Which i cant do atm.

Yeah, it's too bad that the SRD rules aren't available somewhere on-line (http://www.d20srd.org).

Indeed, it's a shame that the Monstrous Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm) entry, the phrenic creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) template, the Paragon creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) template, and the Half-Fiend (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfFiend.htm) templates aren't available anywhere but in the published books.

And gosh, since you're so polite in your request and not at all rude, pushy, or impatient, I'll point out that the only place in the official rules where the Collossal+ size category is used is for advanced dragons, and that it is not a template.
SokenzanMarauder
07-03-07, 02:30 AM Yeah, it's too bad that the SRD rules aren't available somewhere on-line (http://www.d20srd.org).

Indeed, it's a shame that the Monstrous Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm) entry, the phrenic creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) template, the Paragon creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) template, and the Half-Fiend (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfFiend.htm) templates aren't available anywhere but in the published books.

And gosh, since you're so polite in your request and not at all rude, pushy, or impatient, I'll point out that the only place in the official rules where the Collossal+ size category is used is for advanced dragons, and that it is not a template.
:clap:
bluemage55
07-03-07, 02:46 AM Yes, clearly I am a butthole for suggesting that you do something yourself when the resources to do so are not online. *sarcasm*
Grandmaster_Kane
07-03-07, 01:53 PM Yes, clearly I am a butthole for suggesting that you do something yourself when the resources to do so are not online. *sarcasm*

hey look you listened to me about the sarcasm thing :clap:

And as far as the online thing, sorry if i not privy to all of the d&d online resources:weep:
Taeldrin Laesrash
07-03-07, 06:19 PM hey look you listened to me about the sarcasm thing :clap:

And as far as the online thing, sorry if i not privy to all of the d&d online resources:weep:

It's a learning experience, but please do thorough research before coming here.
dok
07-03-07, 08:58 PM Look, if you want a "scary, epic" spider you're going about it the wrong way...

Start with a Devastation Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/devastationVermin.htm#devastationSpider) . Because really, that's what a "paragon Monstrous Spider" would look like if we all weren't hung up on using templates...

Now, you'd have to add either the Half-fiend or Fiendish templates in order to make it no longer Mindless (and thus qualifying for the Phrenic template), and that would have the added benefit of giving the creature Feats.

Then add 5 levels of Hulking Hurler for all kinds of destructive might...
Taeldrin Laesrash
07-03-07, 11:54 PM I dunno, for such a big spider, that's a lousy Strength score. I'd say to take Great Strength maybe two dozen times.
Grandmaster_Kane
07-04-07, 09:12 AM Look, if you want a "scary, epic" spider you're going about it the wrong way...

Start with a Devastation Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/devastationVermin.htm#devastationSpider) . Because really, that's what a "paragon Monstrous Spider" would look like if we all weren't hung up on using templates...

Now, you'd have to add either the Half-fiend or Fiendish templates in order to make it no longer Mindless (and thus qualifying for the Phrenic template), and that would have the added benefit of giving the creature Feats.

Then add 5 levels of Hulking Hurler for all kinds of destructive might...

Except for the devastation and hurler thing that is what i was doing. Ill look into that thou
Amazing_Triangle
07-04-07, 02:15 PM I got bored, I think I did the numbers right:
Colossal Paragon Half-Fiend Phrenic Spider
Size/Type:
Colossal Vermin (Psionic)
Hit Dice:
256+224+384 (864 hp)
Initiative:
+12
Speed:
90 ft. (8 squares), climb 60 ft.
Armor Class:
59 (-8 size, +12 Dex, +23 natural+12 Insight+12Luck), touch 38, flat-footed 47
Base Attack/Grapple:
+24/+50
Attack:
Bite +64 melee (4d6+43 plus poison)
Full Attack:
Bite +64 melee (4d6+43 plus poison)
Space/Reach:
40 ft./30 ft.
Special Attacks:
Poison (DC42), web, Smite Good
Special Qualities:
Darkvision 60 ft., tremorsense 60 ft., vermin traits, Power resistance 42, Immunity to Poison, Resistance to acid 10, cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10, DR 10/epic, Spell Resistance 57, Fast Healing 20
Saves:
Fort +48, Ref +34, Will +30
Abilities:
Str 50, Dex 34, Con 31, Int 19, Wis 27, Cha 23
Skills:
Climb +26, Hide -0*, Jump +20*, Spot +17*
Feats:
Alertness
Environment:
Temperate forests
Organization:
Solitary
Challenge Rating:
32
Treasure:
1/10 coins; 50% goods; 50% items
Advancement:
33-60 HD (Colossal)
Level Adjustment:
—

Special Abilities:
Naturally Psionic -1 Power points
3/day—defensive precognition; 1/day—force screen
3/day—empty mind, mind thrust
1/day—body adjustment, brain lock
1/day—aversion, psionic blast
3/day—intellect fortress; 1/day—psychic crush
1/day—psionic dominate
1/day—energy current, tower of iron will
3/day—psionic teleport
1/day—fission
1/day—ultrablast
Spell like abilites: Caster level 47; Save 16+splvl
Darkness 3/day
Desecrate
Unholy blight
Poison 3/day
Contagion
Blasphemy
Unholy aura 3/day, unhallow
Horrid wilting
Summon monster IX (fiends only)
Destruction
Smite Good (Su): Once per day the creature can make a normal melee attack to deal extra damage equal to its HD (maximum of +20) against a good foe.
A paragon creature also gains the ability to use greater dispel magic, haste, and see invisibility three times per day, even if it did not have spell-like abilities before, at 15th caster level.
Weapons Treated as Epic
Grandmaster_Kane
07-04-07, 02:32 PM I love you =)

Wait i think you did the attack bonuses wrong but ill fix later
Amazing_Triangle
07-04-07, 10:15 PM Next time heed the advice of the other posters and don't act like that. I only did it cause it was easy enough to do.

PS I fixed the attack and yes it only gets one
Taeldrin Laesrash
07-05-07, 10:47 AM That's very, very nice of you, Triangle. Good job.

Only comment, though, is that the HD entry is a bit unclear. I thought for a moment that it had 256 HD.
Amazing_Triangle
07-07-07, 01:08 AM That's very, very nice of you, Triangle. Good job.

Only comment, though, is that the HD entry is a bit unclear. I thought for a moment that it had 256 HD.

Sorry I worked on it and realized it was max hit points and after a while I stopped caring what the hit die was (not my creature, never going to use it) So to make it easy on my calculator I just used the number. :D

I am new to the whole epic thing only played a few in my career. :rolleyes:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Grandmaster_Kane 06-30-07, 06:16 PM	Can anybody post the following stat block for this monster: Colossal+ Paragon Half-Fiend Phrenic Spider
SokenzanMarauder 06-30-07, 06:41 PM	Do it yourself, it's not hard and you'll probably learn something from doing it too. Besides, you've asked for all this stuff and if by the odd chance that someone actually wants to help you they'll have no idea where to go for it. List some sources. -Gene
Grandmaster_Kane 06-30-07, 08:22 PM	The sources are Epic level hand book - Colossal+ & Paragon Psonic handbook- Phrenic Monster maneul- Colossal spider & half-feind template The thing is I would do it myself but i have recently lost me mm books >.<
SokenzanMarauder 06-30-07, 08:55 PM	Ouch. In that case, if I get some time later today I might work it out for you. -Gene
fnord 06-30-07, 10:37 PM	The hard part would be extrapolating the stats for a Colossal+ Monstrous spider. I'd say, compared to the Colossal spider, it has double the hit dice, +6 strength, -2 dex, probably +15 or so natural armor, and a 4d8 (instead of 4d6) bite. Meaning +2 or +3 CR.
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-01-07, 02:17 AM	Don't forget the SRD. You've got that for everything except Colossal+. I'd try and help, but I should get some sleep.
Grandmaster_Kane 07-01-07, 09:18 PM	Still waiting.... If anybody could help it would be greatly appreciated
ArochanoX 07-02-07, 03:53 AM	Try titanic template in the MM2, and then add those phrenic half-fiend curiosities.
bluemage55 07-02-07, 04:39 PM	Still waiting.... If anybody could help it would be greatly appreciated Stop being lazy. Try doing it yourself first, and then people will correct the mistakes.
Grandmaster_Kane 07-02-07, 08:10 PM	Stop being lazy. Try doing it yourself first, and then people will correct the mistakes. Dude did you even read all of the post before you made a butthole out of yourself? I lost my mm books. That mean i would have to buy more. Which i cant do atm.
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-02-07, 08:21 PM	Dude did you even read all of the post before you made a butthole out of yourself? I lost my mm books. That mean i would have to buy more. Which i cant do atm. SRD. Has everything you need. In my sig.
dok 07-02-07, 09:50 PM	Dude did you even read all of the post before you made a butthole out of yourself? I lost my mm books. That mean i would have to buy more. Which i cant do atm. Yeah, it's too bad that the SRD rules aren't available somewhere on-line (http://www.d20srd.org). Indeed, it's a shame that the Monstrous Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm) entry, the phrenic creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) template, the Paragon creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) template, and the Half-Fiend (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfFiend.htm) templates aren't available anywhere but in the published books. And gosh, since you're so polite in your request and not at all rude, pushy, or impatient, I'll point out that the only place in the official rules where the Collossal+ size category is used is for advanced dragons, and that it is not a template.
SokenzanMarauder 07-03-07, 02:30 AM	Yeah, it's too bad that the SRD rules aren't available somewhere on-line (http://www.d20srd.org). Indeed, it's a shame that the Monstrous Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/monstrousSpider.htm) entry, the phrenic creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/monsters/phrenicCreature.htm) template, the Paragon creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) template, and the Half-Fiend (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/halfFiend.htm) templates aren't available anywhere but in the published books. And gosh, since you're so polite in your request and not at all rude, pushy, or impatient, I'll point out that the only place in the official rules where the Collossal+ size category is used is for advanced dragons, and that it is not a template. :clap:
bluemage55 07-03-07, 02:46 AM	Yes, clearly I am a butthole for suggesting that you do something yourself when the resources to do so are not online. sarcasm
Grandmaster_Kane 07-03-07, 01:53 PM	Yes, clearly I am a butthole for suggesting that you do something yourself when the resources to do so are not online. sarcasm hey look you listened to me about the sarcasm thing :clap: And as far as the online thing, sorry if i not privy to all of the d&d online resources:weep:
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-03-07, 06:19 PM	hey look you listened to me about the sarcasm thing :clap: And as far as the online thing, sorry if i not privy to all of the d&d online resources:weep: It's a learning experience, but please do thorough research before coming here.
dok 07-03-07, 08:58 PM	Look, if you want a "scary, epic" spider you're going about it the wrong way... Start with a Devastation Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/devastationVermin.htm#devastationSpider) . Because really, that's what a "paragon Monstrous Spider" would look like if we all weren't hung up on using templates... Now, you'd have to add either the Half-fiend or Fiendish templates in order to make it no longer Mindless (and thus qualifying for the Phrenic template), and that would have the added benefit of giving the creature Feats. Then add 5 levels of Hulking Hurler for all kinds of destructive might...
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-03-07, 11:54 PM	I dunno, for such a big spider, that's a lousy Strength score. I'd say to take Great Strength maybe two dozen times.
Grandmaster_Kane 07-04-07, 09:12 AM	Look, if you want a "scary, epic" spider you're going about it the wrong way... Start with a Devastation Spider (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/devastationVermin.htm#devastationSpider) . Because really, that's what a "paragon Monstrous Spider" would look like if we all weren't hung up on using templates... Now, you'd have to add either the Half-fiend or Fiendish templates in order to make it no longer Mindless (and thus qualifying for the Phrenic template), and that would have the added benefit of giving the creature Feats. Then add 5 levels of Hulking Hurler for all kinds of destructive might... Except for the devastation and hurler thing that is what i was doing. Ill look into that thou
Amazing_Triangle 07-04-07, 02:15 PM	I got bored, I think I did the numbers right: Colossal Paragon Half-Fiend Phrenic Spider Size/Type: Colossal Vermin (Psionic) Hit Dice: 256+224+384 (864 hp) Initiative: +12 Speed: 90 ft. (8 squares), climb 60 ft. Armor Class: 59 (-8 size, +12 Dex, +23 natural+12 Insight+12Luck), touch 38, flat-footed 47 Base Attack/Grapple: +24/+50 Attack: Bite +64 melee (4d6+43 plus poison) Full Attack: Bite +64 melee (4d6+43 plus poison) Space/Reach: 40 ft./30 ft. Special Attacks: Poison (DC42), web, Smite Good Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., tremorsense 60 ft., vermin traits, Power resistance 42, Immunity to Poison, Resistance to acid 10, cold 10, electricity 10, and fire 10, DR 10/epic, Spell Resistance 57, Fast Healing 20 Saves: Fort +48, Ref +34, Will +30 Abilities: Str 50, Dex 34, Con 31, Int 19, Wis 27, Cha 23 Skills: Climb +26, Hide -0, Jump +20, Spot +17* Feats: Alertness Environment: Temperate forests Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 32 Treasure: 1/10 coins; 50% goods; 50% items Advancement: 33-60 HD (Colossal) Level Adjustment: — Special Abilities: Naturally Psionic -1 Power points 3/day—defensive precognition; 1/day—force screen 3/day—empty mind, mind thrust 1/day—body adjustment, brain lock 1/day—aversion, psionic blast 3/day—intellect fortress; 1/day—psychic crush 1/day—psionic dominate 1/day—energy current, tower of iron will 3/day—psionic teleport 1/day—fission 1/day—ultrablast Spell like abilites: Caster level 47; Save 16+splvl Darkness 3/day Desecrate Unholy blight Poison 3/day Contagion Blasphemy Unholy aura 3/day, unhallow Horrid wilting Summon monster IX (fiends only) Destruction Smite Good (Su): Once per day the creature can make a normal melee attack to deal extra damage equal to its HD (maximum of +20) against a good foe. A paragon creature also gains the ability to use greater dispel magic, haste, and see invisibility three times per day, even if it did not have spell-like abilities before, at 15th caster level. Weapons Treated as Epic
Grandmaster_Kane 07-04-07, 02:32 PM	I love you =) Wait i think you did the attack bonuses wrong but ill fix later
Amazing_Triangle 07-04-07, 10:15 PM	Next time heed the advice of the other posters and don't act like that. I only did it cause it was easy enough to do. PS I fixed the attack and yes it only gets one
Taeldrin Laesrash 07-05-07, 10:47 AM	That's very, very nice of you, Triangle. Good job. Only comment, though, is that the HD entry is a bit unclear. I thought for a moment that it had 256 HD.
Amazing_Triangle 07-07-07, 01:08 AM	That's very, very nice of you, Triangle. Good job. Only comment, though, is that the HD entry is a bit unclear. I thought for a moment that it had 256 HD. Sorry I worked on it and realized it was max hit points and after a while I stopped caring what the hit die was (not my creature, never going to use it) So to make it easy on my calculator I just used the number. :D I am new to the whole epic thing only played a few in my career. :rolleyes: