1.5 when and where [Archive] - Wizards Community

1.5 when and where [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
MacMulligan
12-20-06, 11:16 AM When i attack with a lance or something like that i add 1.5 in the damage AND in the attack bonus or just in the damage when i use the weapon with two hands?
Despana
12-20-06, 11:33 AM Only to damage.
draconic_swine
12-20-06, 12:34 PM What Despana said is correct.

Also, in case there's any misconception, it's 1.5 times your Strength modifier to damage, not just 1.5 times the damage. I'm sure that's what you meant, but I wanted to point that out just in case.
Shadowfax7
12-20-06, 12:43 PM What Despana said is correct.

Also, in case there's any misconception, it's 1.5 times your Strength modifier to damage, not just 1.5 times the damage. I'm sure that's what you meant, but I wanted to point that out just in case.
If you don't mind, I will further correct it to 1.5 times your Strength bonus.
MacMulligan
12-20-06, 03:38 PM thanks
Zaistars69
12-20-06, 10:49 PM thanks

Also don't forget you don't get that bonus when fighting from horseback with that lance, like when you charge. You only charge with one hand so its just your str bonus (no 1.5).
AbyssKnight
12-20-06, 10:51 PM Actually, the PHB says you can wield a lance with one hand while mounted. It doesn't say you must use only one hand.

So you can use the lance in two hand for better damage while mounted if you want.
Zaistars69
12-21-06, 11:14 AM Actually, the PHB says you can wield a lance with one hand while mounted. It doesn't say you must use only one hand.

So you can use the lance in two hand for better damage while mounted if you want.

What, that's retarded. A lance is a one handed weapon while mounted. Using it two handed is just silly. I have even read that in the books but I'm at work so can't find it right now.
draconic_swine
12-21-06, 11:45 AM Using a lance two-handed while mounted is no more "retarded" than using a longsword two-handed if you don't have a shield on you.
Despana
12-21-06, 12:12 PM Or using a lance while not mounted. :rolleyes:
Zaistars69
12-21-06, 01:37 PM Using a lance two-handed while mounted is no more "retarded" than using a longsword two-handed if you don't have a shield on you.

it is if you're on horseback. But that's just an opinion, obviously not anywhere in the rules. Personally using a longsword two handed is silly, just not as silly as say a rapier two handed. Some weapons were just not meant to be used that way but D&D simplifies things to make them easier rules wise. Even with all of that it still is silly to use a lance two handed while mounted, not to mention unweildy. Have fun with it though, that's the point of the game.
Zaistars69
12-21-06, 01:41 PM Or using a lance while not mounted. :rolleyes:

Again, also silly and unweildy but not against the rules.
Despana
12-21-06, 03:22 PM Again, also silly and unweildy but not against the rules.

My point exactly. :D
draconic_swine
12-22-06, 12:30 PM it is if you're on horseback. But that's just an opinion, obviously not anywhere in the rules. Personally using a longsword two handed is silly, just not as silly as say a rapier two handed. Some weapons were just not meant to be used that way but D&D simplifies things to make them easier rules wise. Even with all of that it still is silly to use a lance two handed while mounted, not to mention unweildy. Have fun with it though, that's the point of the game.

Again, also silly and unweildy but not against the rules.

How is using a longsword silly? By gripping the pommel, it's rather easy, and if you don't have a shield, it's a smart idea to do so.

And contrary to what the picture in the PHB shows, that is a joustling lance. A lance for warfare would look like ... a spear. I fail to see how using a lance (read: a spear) in two hands while on foot is silly or unwieldly. Same for using it two-handed while mounted: it could possibly be a bit more awkward, but holding it overhand and thrusting downwards would certainly be possible.
Despana
12-22-06, 04:56 PM Ahem.
While it could still be generally classified as a spear, the lance tends to be larger - usually both longer and stouter and thus also considerably heavier, and unsuited for throwing, or for the rapid thrusting, as with an infantry spear. Lances did not have spear tips that (intentionally) broke off or bent, unlike many throwing weapons of the spear/javelin family, and were adapted for mounted combat. They were often equipped with a vamplate, a small circular plate to prevent the hand sliding up the shaft upon impact.
That's from Wikipedia, which granted is not the best source, but is usually fairly accurate on such things. Line bolded for emphasis.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MacMulligan 12-20-06, 11:16 AM	When i attack with a lance or something like that i add 1.5 in the damage AND in the attack bonus or just in the damage when i use the weapon with two hands?
Despana 12-20-06, 11:33 AM	Only to damage.
draconic_swine 12-20-06, 12:34 PM	What Despana said is correct. Also, in case there's any misconception, it's 1.5 times your Strength modifier to damage, not just 1.5 times the damage. I'm sure that's what you meant, but I wanted to point that out just in case.
Shadowfax7 12-20-06, 12:43 PM	What Despana said is correct. Also, in case there's any misconception, it's 1.5 times your Strength modifier to damage, not just 1.5 times the damage. I'm sure that's what you meant, but I wanted to point that out just in case. If you don't mind, I will further correct it to 1.5 times your Strength bonus.
MacMulligan 12-20-06, 03:38 PM	thanks
Zaistars69 12-20-06, 10:49 PM	thanks Also don't forget you don't get that bonus when fighting from horseback with that lance, like when you charge. You only charge with one hand so its just your str bonus (no 1.5).
AbyssKnight 12-20-06, 10:51 PM	Actually, the PHB says you can wield a lance with one hand while mounted. It doesn't say you must use only one hand. So you can use the lance in two hand for better damage while mounted if you want.
Zaistars69 12-21-06, 11:14 AM	Actually, the PHB says you can wield a lance with one hand while mounted. It doesn't say you must use only one hand. So you can use the lance in two hand for better damage while mounted if you want. What, that's retarded. A lance is a one handed weapon while mounted. Using it two handed is just silly. I have even read that in the books but I'm at work so can't find it right now.
draconic_swine 12-21-06, 11:45 AM	Using a lance two-handed while mounted is no more "retarded" than using a longsword two-handed if you don't have a shield on you.
Despana 12-21-06, 12:12 PM	Or using a lance while not mounted. :rolleyes:
Zaistars69 12-21-06, 01:37 PM	Using a lance two-handed while mounted is no more "retarded" than using a longsword two-handed if you don't have a shield on you. it is if you're on horseback. But that's just an opinion, obviously not anywhere in the rules. Personally using a longsword two handed is silly, just not as silly as say a rapier two handed. Some weapons were just not meant to be used that way but D&D simplifies things to make them easier rules wise. Even with all of that it still is silly to use a lance two handed while mounted, not to mention unweildy. Have fun with it though, that's the point of the game.
Zaistars69 12-21-06, 01:41 PM	Or using a lance while not mounted. :rolleyes: Again, also silly and unweildy but not against the rules.
Despana 12-21-06, 03:22 PM	Again, also silly and unweildy but not against the rules. My point exactly. :D
draconic_swine 12-22-06, 12:30 PM	it is if you're on horseback. But that's just an opinion, obviously not anywhere in the rules. Personally using a longsword two handed is silly, just not as silly as say a rapier two handed. Some weapons were just not meant to be used that way but D&D simplifies things to make them easier rules wise. Even with all of that it still is silly to use a lance two handed while mounted, not to mention unweildy. Have fun with it though, that's the point of the game. Again, also silly and unweildy but not against the rules. How is using a longsword silly? By gripping the pommel, it's rather easy, and if you don't have a shield, it's a smart idea to do so. And contrary to what the picture in the PHB shows, that is a joustling lance. A lance for warfare would look like ... a spear. I fail to see how using a lance (read: a spear) in two hands while on foot is silly or unwieldly. Same for using it two-handed while mounted: it could possibly be a bit more awkward, but holding it overhand and thrusting downwards would certainly be possible.
Despana 12-22-06, 04:56 PM	Ahem. While it could still be generally classified as a spear, the lance tends to be larger - usually both longer and stouter and thus also considerably heavier, and unsuited for throwing, or for the rapid thrusting, as with an infantry spear. Lances did not have spear tips that (intentionally) broke off or bent, unlike many throwing weapons of the spear/javelin family, and were adapted for mounted combat. They were often equipped with a vamplate, a small circular plate to prevent the hand sliding up the shaft upon impact. That's from Wikipedia, which granted is not the best source, but is usually fairly accurate on such things. Line bolded for emphasis.