Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Black Mantha 03-22-07, 03:05 AM	You can use an arrow as a melee weapon with a -4 penalty to attack. So why not use a +5 flaming burst speed dagger? You still get +1 to your attack, with 1d4+5+1d6 damage, speed, and 20/x2+1d10 criticals, all for the low price of 4000 gp. And just to clarify, no I wouldn't allow or even attempt it. I'm just wondering if there are any actual rules against this.
Tamerlane 03-22-07, 03:19 AM	You can use an arrow as a melee weapon with a -4 penalty to attack. So why not use a +5 flaming burst speed dagger? You still get +1 to your attack, with 1d4+5+1d6 damage, speed, and 20/x2+1d10 criticals, all for the low price of 4000 gp. And just to clarify, no I wouldn't allow or even attempt it. I'm just wondering if there are any actual rules against this. It would be a one shot thing. Magic Ammunition and Breakage When a magic arrow, crossbow bolt, or sling bullet misses its target, there is a 50% chance it breaks or otherwise is rendered useless. A magic arrow, bolt, or bullet that hits is destroyed. Emphasis added. Edit: Also, I don't see anything in the rules about being able to enchant just one arrow for 1/50th the cost. Presumably, you'd still have to pay the 200k to enchant the 50stack.
Novacat 03-22-07, 04:11 AM	You can use an arrow as a melee weapon with a -4 penalty to attack. So why not use a +5 flaming burst speed dagger? You still get +1 to your attack, with 1d4+5+1d6 damage, speed, and 20/x2+1d10 criticals, all for the low price of 4000 gp. And just to clarify, no I wouldn't allow or even attempt it. I'm just wondering if there are any actual rules against this. Because a dagger is a melee weapon with a range increment, not ammo. You must pay the full cost as for all melee weapons, and it is not destroyed on impact.
runestar 03-22-07, 05:02 AM	Arrows: An arrow used as a melee weapon is treated as a light improvised weapon (–4 penalty on attack rolls) and deals damage as a dagger of its size (critical multiplier x2). Arrows come in a leather quiver that holds 20 arrows. An arrow that hits its target is destroyed; one that misses has a 50% chance of being destroyed or lost. I think you are allowed to craft individual arrows (no way am I going to pay for 50 arrows of slaying of the same type...:P ). But since each arrow is expended after it hits its target... Not quite feasible in the long run.
Tamerlane 03-22-07, 06:16 AM	I think you are allowed to craft individual arrows (no way am I going to pay for 50 arrows of slaying of the same type...:P ). But since each arrow is expended after it hits its target... Not quite feasible in the long run. Hmm that's true. And if you're crafting them individually, it would only cost 2,000gp (or 1,500 with Extraordinary Artisan). Might be handy for crafting just-the-right one-shot weapon if you know you're going up a particular foe. Even a single +5(-4) undead-bane anarchic holy arrow(/dagger) could be quite deadly to a mummy lord (1d4+2d6+2d6+2d6+7). But, you're probably better off .. you know... shooting them from a bow.
rastlin_of_the_tomes 03-22-07, 07:08 AM	ok, first do you mean you are using the arrow as a dagger or you want a one shot dagger? first off the arrow thing is meant to be shot not melee'd and a one shot dagger is just stupid. a magic dust that enchants for 1 hit might be a better idea.
runestar 03-22-07, 07:16 AM	Arrows can be used in melee, albeit at a penalty.:) It was designed to be fired from a bow, but that does not mean you cannot stab with it if a situation is dire enough.:)
The_sleeper1 03-22-07, 07:48 AM	Just thinking, you could use the same cost of arrows to make a one shot magic weapon of any type.