2 handed weapons and bucklers. [Archive] - Wizards Community

2 handed weapons and bucklers. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Tsh77769
08-11-05, 06:00 AM If I am right handed and I am wearing a buckler on my left forearm and weilding a two handed weapon, does the -1 to attack roll from a buckler apply?

I would think not. It is my understanding or interpretation that the -1 on attack rolls incurred from the the wearing of a buckelr is only applied to weapons weided one handed with the same arm that the buckler is on.

tsh77769
Mirtek
08-11-05, 10:22 AM You get the -1 penalty and you also lose the buckler's AC bonus for the round.
Dracomorph
08-11-05, 10:57 AM Mirtek's got it.
Fanged Fremont
08-11-05, 11:01 AM course theres a feat in Complete warrior that lets yeah keep the buckler's AC when you attack... I think. Worth it if you got a +5 buckler.
Majick
08-11-05, 02:35 PM Improved buckler defence

pre-req: ability to use a buckler
SolenVlos
08-11-05, 03:21 PM I belive this feat only works with you wield 2 weapons, otherwise you could use it with a bow

and an archer with a buckler +5, a bow +5 and arrows filled with enchantments seems kind of overpowered to me.
altough sound pretty cool. for a BBEG.
thedmstrikes
08-11-05, 04:32 PM The description of the buckler in the PHB says it all. the Improved buckler feat from Complete warrior only helps a wielder of two weapons. So, you get a -1 to attack rolls and you lose the AC bonus for the rest of the round once you attack with a weapon in two hands. You could use a bow with it strapped on, but that is a two handed weapon also, so once you fire, you lose the AC bonus.

Hope that clears it up!
mvincent
08-11-05, 05:24 PM the Improved buckler feat from Complete warrior only helps a wielder of two weapons. So it would still work if you were wielding a two-handed weapon and armor spikes?
Dunelord
08-11-05, 05:37 PM Improved Buckler Defence lets you keep the bonus from the buckler when you attack with a two handed weapon or a weapon in your off hand. The feat lets you keep the bonus when you fight with a weapon in your off hand, and a two hand weapon is in both your primary and off hand therefore it applies. Further I don't think this is just rules lawyering, since if it was ment only for two weapon fighting it sems that some two weapon fighting feat, something to do with rangers, or some dexterity score would be tied to the requirements to take the feat, none of which are.
Tony Vargas
08-11-05, 05:52 PM The feat lets you keep the bonus when you fight with a weapon in your off hand, and a two hand weapon is in both your primary and off hand therefore it applies. Further I don't think this is just rules lawyering, .... Well, a bow is also used in your off hand, but it doesn't take the -1 attack penalty. It seems to me that the reasonable ruling would be that, if you face the -1 attack penalty for fighting with the buckler, then the Improved Buckler feat lets you keep it's AC.
Duration_10_Rounds
08-11-05, 07:17 PM Well, a bow is also used in your off hand, but it doesn't take the -1 attack penalty. It seems to me that the reasonable ruling would be that, if you face the -1 attack penalty for fighting with the buckler, then the Improved Buckler feat lets you keep it's AC.

That seems the best rule of thumb on it... if you suffer the penalty you get the bonus and vicey-versy
thedmstrikes
08-11-05, 11:50 PM Well, laugh it up gang, this does not happen very often. My original post concerning this issue has an error in it :gah: . I stated that the I buckler defence does not help when using a weapon two handed, but only if you wielded a weapon in each hand. :nonono: This statement was absolutely false :banghead: . The description of the buckler made it clear that using a weapon in the off hand could be a solitary weapon in that hand or the using of both hands on one weapon. Therefore, the feat will allow you to retain the AC bonus when using any weapon in both hands or two different weapons in both hands. You are still stuck with the -1 attack penalty though, unless firing a bow. If we are talking about armor spikes here, then they will have to be located on the arm to qualify, otherwise, you are just being a silly munchkin. :OMG! an archer can use a buckler for AC and still attack. Of course, no real archer worth anything would actually need this extra protection :schemes: .

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Tsh77769 08-11-05, 06:00 AM	If I am right handed and I am wearing a buckler on my left forearm and weilding a two handed weapon, does the -1 to attack roll from a buckler apply? I would think not. It is my understanding or interpretation that the -1 on attack rolls incurred from the the wearing of a buckelr is only applied to weapons weided one handed with the same arm that the buckler is on. tsh77769
Mirtek 08-11-05, 10:22 AM	You get the -1 penalty and you also lose the buckler's AC bonus for the round.
Dracomorph 08-11-05, 10:57 AM	Mirtek's got it.
Fanged Fremont 08-11-05, 11:01 AM	course theres a feat in Complete warrior that lets yeah keep the buckler's AC when you attack... I think. Worth it if you got a +5 buckler.
Majick 08-11-05, 02:35 PM	Improved buckler defence pre-req: ability to use a buckler
SolenVlos 08-11-05, 03:21 PM	I belive this feat only works with you wield 2 weapons, otherwise you could use it with a bow and an archer with a buckler +5, a bow +5 and arrows filled with enchantments seems kind of overpowered to me. altough sound pretty cool. for a BBEG.
thedmstrikes 08-11-05, 04:32 PM	The description of the buckler in the PHB says it all. the Improved buckler feat from Complete warrior only helps a wielder of two weapons. So, you get a -1 to attack rolls and you lose the AC bonus for the rest of the round once you attack with a weapon in two hands. You could use a bow with it strapped on, but that is a two handed weapon also, so once you fire, you lose the AC bonus. Hope that clears it up!
mvincent 08-11-05, 05:24 PM	the Improved buckler feat from Complete warrior only helps a wielder of two weapons. So it would still work if you were wielding a two-handed weapon and armor spikes?
Dunelord 08-11-05, 05:37 PM	Improved Buckler Defence lets you keep the bonus from the buckler when you attack with a two handed weapon or a weapon in your off hand. The feat lets you keep the bonus when you fight with a weapon in your off hand, and a two hand weapon is in both your primary and off hand therefore it applies. Further I don't think this is just rules lawyering, since if it was ment only for two weapon fighting it sems that some two weapon fighting feat, something to do with rangers, or some dexterity score would be tied to the requirements to take the feat, none of which are.
Tony Vargas 08-11-05, 05:52 PM	The feat lets you keep the bonus when you fight with a weapon in your off hand, and a two hand weapon is in both your primary and off hand therefore it applies. Further I don't think this is just rules lawyering, .... Well, a bow is also used in your off hand, but it doesn't take the -1 attack penalty. It seems to me that the reasonable ruling would be that, if you face the -1 attack penalty for fighting with the buckler, then the Improved Buckler feat lets you keep it's AC.
Duration_10_Rounds 08-11-05, 07:17 PM	Well, a bow is also used in your off hand, but it doesn't take the -1 attack penalty. It seems to me that the reasonable ruling would be that, if you face the -1 attack penalty for fighting with the buckler, then the Improved Buckler feat lets you keep it's AC. That seems the best rule of thumb on it... if you suffer the penalty you get the bonus and vicey-versy
thedmstrikes 08-11-05, 11:50 PM	Well, laugh it up gang, this does not happen very often. My original post concerning this issue has an error in it :gah: . I stated that the I buckler defence does not help when using a weapon two handed, but only if you wielded a weapon in each hand. :nonono: This statement was absolutely false :banghead: . The description of the buckler made it clear that using a weapon in the off hand could be a solitary weapon in that hand or the using of both hands on one weapon. Therefore, the feat will allow you to retain the AC bonus when using any weapon in both hands or two different weapons in both hands. You are still stuck with the -1 attack penalty though, unless firing a bow. If we are talking about armor spikes here, then they will have to be located on the arm to qualify, otherwise, you are just being a silly munchkin. :OMG! an archer can use a buckler for AC and still attack. Of course, no real archer worth anything would actually need this extra protection :schemes: .