2H Finessable? Scythes? [Archive] - Wizards Community

2H Finessable? Scythes? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Lord QZip
10-29-07, 01:33 AM I looked in the Equipment section of all my books and I can only find one 2H finessable weapon and that's the spiked chain. However, the spiked chain is Exotic (I don't want to burn a feat on Exotic Weapon Prof and Weapon Finesse). Are their any other 2H weapons that are weapon finessable (and where would I find them, since my friends have a vast store of books, I just need to know where to look)? Feel free to mention them even if they're exotic. One might be worth blowing both feats on (though I doubt it...).

Also, I was wondering why Scythes aren't weapon finessable? Any ideas? When I look at Scythe fighting it seems to involve a lot of spinning the weapon around in such a way that you can get close to the guy and then slashing the enemy (and often anything else nearby) using your momentum from the spinning to deal extra damage and be able to strike in unexpected places. Of course, if that first hit, in real life, wasn't pretty good then you are probably pretty screwed unless you throw in kicks and stuff while you rebuild momentum. Thus, that would seem to have more to do with DEX than STR anyway (unless you go for the old 'go for the head! It's just like collecting grain!', but that's not really the way I think you'd fight if you were practiced with the weapon).
RavenDrake
10-29-07, 01:59 AM Scythe's are very much NOT finessable. Regardless of how much "twirling" you might see depicted, a Scythe has more in common with an axe or Pick than anything approaching a finessable style.

For Two-handed finessables, you've pretty much got either the Spiked Chain, or the Elven Courtblade(found in several books the most recent publication should be Races of the Wild), both of which are exotics. The chain is useful for battlefield control with it's trip and disarm benefits, as well as reach. The Courtblade has better offensive stats(damage die and critical) and two damage types.

There's also the Drow Scorpion Chain(Races of Ebberon) which is a spiked chain with lower damage and better critical, and the Lynxpaw(Also Races of the Wild), but that's a double weapon featuring a big claw chained to the butt of a rapier rather than a normal two-handed weapon per se.
Lord QZip
10-29-07, 02:12 AM Using a Scythe like an axe or a pick sounds pretty stupid to me, but I've never even picked one up, so I don't really know.

Hmm, I think my friends have all the books you mentioned. /ninja time! Not sure if it'll turn up anything really useable... Hmm...

BTW, the reason I want to do this is because my next character will get a nice bonus to Dex and a penalty to Str and I don't want to go 2 weapon fighting because of all the feats you have to burn to be competant.
Krusk
10-29-07, 02:44 AM BTW, the reason I want to do this is because my next character will get a nice bonus to Dex and a penalty to Str and I don't want to go 2 weapon fighting because of all the feats you have to burn to be competant.

Maybe consider a shield, or keeping your hand free and going into the classes that get a benefit like that?
Lord QZip
10-29-07, 03:12 AM Well I want to be a Barbarian 1/Dragon Shaman 20. And, no, I don't really care about optimization on this guy. In fact, he's suppose to be the 'underdog'. Very helpful for everyone, but not 2 good of a line fighter (as evidenced by the feats I'm considering which basically make everyone afraid of my tiny jerk).

Shield = more armor check penalty which may not be very good. Besides, my current character has a shield. /yawn.

1H and open... hmm... I kinda discounted that without thinking. I'd just need something to do with my other hand. I don't get Use Magic Device as a class skill anywhere so that's out. I might be able to petition for Alchemy due to background, but still, Alchemy seems like a lot of buck for not enough bang (unless you use some loophole in a spell, I think it was fabricate, to make it... but then I'd need another character to do that for me and I can't count on that).

Thus why I decided on 2H if I could find a good finesse for it. If I can't, then I guess I'll just go greataxe because it'd look really awesomely funny on my guy and take the hit to Str (instead of probably having a 22 Dex >_<).
Cifer
10-29-07, 04:48 AM Using a Scythe like an axe or a pick sounds pretty stupid to me
Using a scythe as a martial weapon at all does too, but I guess that's where the fantasy comes in. There's a reason why people used ranseurs, glaives, greatswords and halberds instead of scythes - and that reason probably wasn't "we didn't have Improved Critical."
runestar
10-29-07, 04:50 AM I am pretty sure nothing in the rules explicitly prevents you from wielding a rapier 2-handed to benefit from the damage bonus on power attack (you are merely prevented from wielding it 2-handed to benefit from the 1.5 str mod to damage).:P
Pechvarry
10-29-07, 09:25 AM I am pretty sure nothing in the rules explicitly prevents you from wielding a rapier 2-handed to benefit from the damage bonus on power attack (you are merely prevented from wielding it 2-handed to benefit from the 1.5 str mod to damage).:P

Sure you don't mean that the other way around? I didn't think you could use Power attack and weapon finesse in tandem (that might be an inferred rule though -- the actual rule being you cannot power attack light weapons and you can only finesse light weapons, with spiked chain and rapier as some of the few exceptions to the rule). Meanwhile, I don't know of any rule that states that you can't 2 hand a rapier for Finesse whilst getting STR*1.5 to damage.
Eerongal
10-29-07, 09:41 AM Sure you don't mean that the other way around? I didn't think you could use Power attack and weapon finesse in tandem (that might be an inferred rule though -- the actual rule being you cannot power attack light weapons and you can only finesse light weapons, with spiked chain and rapier as some of the few exceptions to the rule). Meanwhile, I don't know of any rule that states that you can't 2 hand a rapier for Finesse whilst getting STR*1.5 to damage.

the rapiers own text explicitly restricts you from getting 1.5 str when using it two handed.
runestar
10-29-07, 09:46 AM There is nothing stopping you from combining power attack with weapon finesse. Heck, I can even use power attack and expertise together.:)

You cannot use PA on light weapons. But not only light weapons can be finessed. Rapiers and spiked chains are such examples - you can use PA with them as they are not light weapons. This is independent of whether weapon finesse is applicable to them or not.

the rapiers own text explicitly restricts you from getting 1.5 str when using it two handed.

Yes, but it does not state that it cannot be wielded 2-handed...:D
Eerongal
10-29-07, 10:25 AM Yes, but it does not state that it cannot be wielded 2-handed...:D

Yup, but the person i was replying to said:
Meanwhile, I don't know of any rule that states that you can't 2 hand a rapier for Finesse whilst getting STR*1.5 to damage.
RavenDrake
10-29-07, 12:03 PM Ask your DM, if he's flexible, to allow you a martial two-handed finessable weapon. I've homebrewed one for my campaign world.

Name: Estoc
Type: Two-handed Martial weapon
Damage: 1d10 M(1d8 Sl) 19-20/x2 (Piercing)
Range: -
Weight: 6lbs
Cost: 60gp

The Estoc is a heavy, two-handed sword designed for piercing attacks. The blade features a triangular cross-section, almost equalateral in fact, tapering to a finely tempered point. This shape leaves no practical way to grind an edge to the weapon, but allows it to deliver particularly strong penetrating attacks, even against armour.

A proficient weilder can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier to attack rolls with an estoc sized for them, even though it isn’t a light weapon for them.
Lord QZip
10-29-07, 12:48 PM Hmm interesting points. I'll ask my DM if I can get some 2H martial weapon finessable weapon... I hadn't thought about wielding a 1H weapon in 2H but the whole rapier thing is disheartening.
jaelis
10-29-07, 12:58 PM I think (but I'm not sure), that a feycraft (DMGII) greatsword would be a finessable 2H weapon at 2d4 damage. Someone by their books could check.
Pechvarry
10-29-07, 01:04 PM the rapiers own text explicitly restricts you from getting 1.5 str when using it two handed.

And now I know. Thanks.
Eerongal
10-29-07, 02:17 PM And now I know. Thanks.

Of course. I was unaware of the same thing, too, until one of my players pointed it out to me. Granted, i never used a rapier.
Krusk
10-29-07, 03:16 PM use a light steel, light wooden or buckler. A masterwork version has no armor check.

also an idea, you could carry a net in the off hand, or things like tanglefoot bags. Stuff to throw at the enemy so they cant walk well, while you tumble around in it fine.
Lord QZip
10-30-07, 01:38 AM Good points, Krusk. I had been thinking about a net as a viable option. Hmm... Net + Rapier... Hmm... That sounds pretty awesome. I'll still dream for a 2H finessable martial weapon, but I now have a viable back-up plan.

Without checking my books here, I think I could wear the buckler in the same hand as my net so that, in any round I'm not throwing it, I get the shield bonus.

I've always been convinced that, somewhere, there should be different options for what material you can make the net out of. But, I haven't ever seen such things :( so that you can upgrade your net's break DC and/or make it harder to escape artist out of.
Krusk
10-30-07, 02:40 AM Any DM would surely be willing to work with you to create new materials that a net can be constructed out of. A mithril or adamantine net would be so cool.

If you have dungeonscape you can use the adamantine manacles as an example of new matierials for old items.
RavenDrake
10-30-07, 01:43 PM When I made a gladiator type character (trident and net), My DM let me make a Dragonhide net, which increased it to iron-like strength (Hardness 10, 30HP, Break DC 26) and the Net itself was immune to the dragon's particular element(in this case a Black Dragon, so Acid).
tenguroEd
10-30-07, 02:11 PM Hm, I don't see how a scythe can be weapon finnesable though I always thought scimitars could be used with weapon finnese.
Saiyamantis
10-30-07, 03:53 PM Scimitars aren't inherently finesse-able, but there are a couple of ways to make them so, specifically the dervish (Complete Warrior) and corsair (Dragon #321). The corsair also give you the ability to add your Dexterity modifier to damage, but only after 9 levels in the class.
Thief_of_Hope
10-30-07, 09:30 PM You might also like the Einhander feat from Player's Handbook 2, which gives options for characters using a weapon in one hand and nothing in the other.

And just for the heck of it, Poison Dusk Lizardfolk from Monster Manual 3 treat nets (and bolas) as martial weapons instead of exotic.:thumbsup:
Disciple_of_Salsa
10-30-07, 10:13 PM There's an enchantment in MIC that makes anyone who wields a weapon proficient. I think they're called aptitude weapons. So, just get an aptitude spiked chain.
Jaxgaret
10-30-07, 11:46 PM I think (but I'm not sure), that a feycraft (DMGII) greatsword would be a finessable 2H weapon at 2d4 damage. Someone by their books could check.

Nope. Feycraft only makes 1H weapons be considered Light, and Light weapons be considered Finesse-able.

I'd go with DoS's suggestion of an Aptitude Spiked Chain or Aptitude Courtblade.
Lord QZip
10-31-07, 01:21 AM Didn't know about the aptitude enchantment, this allows me some actual choices hmm... It's probably a +1 enchantment from the sound of it... Hopefully we'll start out with enough money for one off the bat. If so, then such a thing will be a very viable choice. If not, then I just need to save up.

Thief_of_Hope hate to shoot down your ideas but, looked at the Einhander feat and it doesn't make up for the obvious lack of damage you get with just a 1H weapon, even if it's a step in the right direction. Also, I've already determined my race.
Legdiwena
10-31-07, 02:39 PM Dex is more suited to 1H weapons and Str better for 2H, why you get a better bonus using 2H.
Werral
10-31-07, 09:08 PM Using a scythe as a martial weapon at all does too, but I guess that's where the fantasy comes in. There's a reason why people used ranseurs, glaives, greatswords and halberds instead of scythes - and that reason probably wasn't "we didn't have Improved Critical."

There were war-scythes. Either they were hastily made weapons peasants used in uprising or when drafted - they reversed the blades for use in combat - or they were fairly sophisticated weapons where the blade swiveled up so it basically became more like a normal polearm.

Again the idea was that people could scythe cropsp and then defend themselves if attacked.

Scythes were never used as weapons with the scythe in the harvesting position though.
Jaxgaret
11-01-07, 02:07 AM There were war-scythes.

War scythe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe).
PhaedrusXY
11-01-07, 01:03 PM Hmm interesting points. I'll ask my DM if I can get some 2H martial weapon finessable weapon... I hadn't thought about wielding a 1H weapon in 2H but the whole rapier thing is disheartening.Disheartening? Why? You can do exactly what you're wanting with it (Wield it in two hands and still use Weapon Finesse).
Janos Antero
11-01-07, 10:33 PM Another option is Graceful Edge from November 2005 Dungeon:

Graceful Edge - Fighting bonus, applies to a one-handed slashing weapon
Prereqs: Weapon Focus (with weapon chosen), Weapon Finesse, +1 BA
Bonus: If you do not wield a shield or weapon in your off-hand, treat your chosen weapon as a light weapon.

If you do not wield a shield or weapon in your off-hand you also gain a +1 shield bonus bonus. If you are fighting defensively or using the total defense action, the shield bonus increases to +2.

So that would let you finesse a longsword or scimitar and give you some of the benefits of a shield as well. It isn't going to do damage like a 2-hander is, but it's a fun feat for effect.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lord QZip 10-29-07, 01:33 AM	I looked in the Equipment section of all my books and I can only find one 2H finessable weapon and that's the spiked chain. However, the spiked chain is Exotic (I don't want to burn a feat on Exotic Weapon Prof and Weapon Finesse). Are their any other 2H weapons that are weapon finessable (and where would I find them, since my friends have a vast store of books, I just need to know where to look)? Feel free to mention them even if they're exotic. One might be worth blowing both feats on (though I doubt it...). Also, I was wondering why Scythes aren't weapon finessable? Any ideas? When I look at Scythe fighting it seems to involve a lot of spinning the weapon around in such a way that you can get close to the guy and then slashing the enemy (and often anything else nearby) using your momentum from the spinning to deal extra damage and be able to strike in unexpected places. Of course, if that first hit, in real life, wasn't pretty good then you are probably pretty screwed unless you throw in kicks and stuff while you rebuild momentum. Thus, that would seem to have more to do with DEX than STR anyway (unless you go for the old 'go for the head! It's just like collecting grain!', but that's not really the way I think you'd fight if you were practiced with the weapon).
RavenDrake 10-29-07, 01:59 AM	Scythe's are very much NOT finessable. Regardless of how much "twirling" you might see depicted, a Scythe has more in common with an axe or Pick than anything approaching a finessable style. For Two-handed finessables, you've pretty much got either the Spiked Chain, or the Elven Courtblade(found in several books the most recent publication should be Races of the Wild), both of which are exotics. The chain is useful for battlefield control with it's trip and disarm benefits, as well as reach. The Courtblade has better offensive stats(damage die and critical) and two damage types. There's also the Drow Scorpion Chain(Races of Ebberon) which is a spiked chain with lower damage and better critical, and the Lynxpaw(Also Races of the Wild), but that's a double weapon featuring a big claw chained to the butt of a rapier rather than a normal two-handed weapon per se.
Lord QZip 10-29-07, 02:12 AM	Using a Scythe like an axe or a pick sounds pretty stupid to me, but I've never even picked one up, so I don't really know. Hmm, I think my friends have all the books you mentioned. /ninja time! Not sure if it'll turn up anything really useable... Hmm... BTW, the reason I want to do this is because my next character will get a nice bonus to Dex and a penalty to Str and I don't want to go 2 weapon fighting because of all the feats you have to burn to be competant.
Krusk 10-29-07, 02:44 AM	BTW, the reason I want to do this is because my next character will get a nice bonus to Dex and a penalty to Str and I don't want to go 2 weapon fighting because of all the feats you have to burn to be competant. Maybe consider a shield, or keeping your hand free and going into the classes that get a benefit like that?
Lord QZip 10-29-07, 03:12 AM	Well I want to be a Barbarian 1/Dragon Shaman 20. And, no, I don't really care about optimization on this guy. In fact, he's suppose to be the 'underdog'. Very helpful for everyone, but not 2 good of a line fighter (as evidenced by the feats I'm considering which basically make everyone afraid of my tiny jerk). Shield = more armor check penalty which may not be very good. Besides, my current character has a shield. /yawn. 1H and open... hmm... I kinda discounted that without thinking. I'd just need something to do with my other hand. I don't get Use Magic Device as a class skill anywhere so that's out. I might be able to petition for Alchemy due to background, but still, Alchemy seems like a lot of buck for not enough bang (unless you use some loophole in a spell, I think it was fabricate, to make it... but then I'd need another character to do that for me and I can't count on that). Thus why I decided on 2H if I could find a good finesse for it. If I can't, then I guess I'll just go greataxe because it'd look really awesomely funny on my guy and take the hit to Str (instead of probably having a 22 Dex >_<).
Cifer 10-29-07, 04:48 AM	Using a Scythe like an axe or a pick sounds pretty stupid to me Using a scythe as a martial weapon at all does too, but I guess that's where the fantasy comes in. There's a reason why people used ranseurs, glaives, greatswords and halberds instead of scythes - and that reason probably wasn't "we didn't have Improved Critical."
runestar 10-29-07, 04:50 AM	I am pretty sure nothing in the rules explicitly prevents you from wielding a rapier 2-handed to benefit from the damage bonus on power attack (you are merely prevented from wielding it 2-handed to benefit from the 1.5 str mod to damage).:P
Pechvarry 10-29-07, 09:25 AM	I am pretty sure nothing in the rules explicitly prevents you from wielding a rapier 2-handed to benefit from the damage bonus on power attack (you are merely prevented from wielding it 2-handed to benefit from the 1.5 str mod to damage).:P Sure you don't mean that the other way around? I didn't think you could use Power attack and weapon finesse in tandem (that might be an inferred rule though -- the actual rule being you cannot power attack light weapons and you can only finesse light weapons, with spiked chain and rapier as some of the few exceptions to the rule). Meanwhile, I don't know of any rule that states that you can't 2 hand a rapier for Finesse whilst getting STR*1.5 to damage.
Eerongal 10-29-07, 09:41 AM	Sure you don't mean that the other way around? I didn't think you could use Power attack and weapon finesse in tandem (that might be an inferred rule though -- the actual rule being you cannot power attack light weapons and you can only finesse light weapons, with spiked chain and rapier as some of the few exceptions to the rule). Meanwhile, I don't know of any rule that states that you can't 2 hand a rapier for Finesse whilst getting STR*1.5 to damage. the rapiers own text explicitly restricts you from getting 1.5 str when using it two handed.
runestar 10-29-07, 09:46 AM	There is nothing stopping you from combining power attack with weapon finesse. Heck, I can even use power attack and expertise together.:) You cannot use PA on light weapons. But not only light weapons can be finessed. Rapiers and spiked chains are such examples - you can use PA with them as they are not light weapons. This is independent of whether weapon finesse is applicable to them or not. the rapiers own text explicitly restricts you from getting 1.5 str when using it two handed. Yes, but it does not state that it cannot be wielded 2-handed...:D
Eerongal 10-29-07, 10:25 AM	Yes, but it does not state that it cannot be wielded 2-handed...:D Yup, but the person i was replying to said: Meanwhile, I don't know of any rule that states that you can't 2 hand a rapier for Finesse whilst getting STR*1.5 to damage.
RavenDrake 10-29-07, 12:03 PM	Ask your DM, if he's flexible, to allow you a martial two-handed finessable weapon. I've homebrewed one for my campaign world. Name: Estoc Type: Two-handed Martial weapon Damage: 1d10 M(1d8 Sl) 19-20/x2 (Piercing) Range: - Weight: 6lbs Cost: 60gp The Estoc is a heavy, two-handed sword designed for piercing attacks. The blade features a triangular cross-section, almost equalateral in fact, tapering to a finely tempered point. This shape leaves no practical way to grind an edge to the weapon, but allows it to deliver particularly strong penetrating attacks, even against armour. A proficient weilder can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier to attack rolls with an estoc sized for them, even though it isn’t a light weapon for them.
Lord QZip 10-29-07, 12:48 PM	Hmm interesting points. I'll ask my DM if I can get some 2H martial weapon finessable weapon... I hadn't thought about wielding a 1H weapon in 2H but the whole rapier thing is disheartening.
jaelis 10-29-07, 12:58 PM	I think (but I'm not sure), that a feycraft (DMGII) greatsword would be a finessable 2H weapon at 2d4 damage. Someone by their books could check.
Pechvarry 10-29-07, 01:04 PM	the rapiers own text explicitly restricts you from getting 1.5 str when using it two handed. And now I know. Thanks.
Eerongal 10-29-07, 02:17 PM	And now I know. Thanks. Of course. I was unaware of the same thing, too, until one of my players pointed it out to me. Granted, i never used a rapier.
Krusk 10-29-07, 03:16 PM	use a light steel, light wooden or buckler. A masterwork version has no armor check. also an idea, you could carry a net in the off hand, or things like tanglefoot bags. Stuff to throw at the enemy so they cant walk well, while you tumble around in it fine.
Lord QZip 10-30-07, 01:38 AM	Good points, Krusk. I had been thinking about a net as a viable option. Hmm... Net + Rapier... Hmm... That sounds pretty awesome. I'll still dream for a 2H finessable martial weapon, but I now have a viable back-up plan. Without checking my books here, I think I could wear the buckler in the same hand as my net so that, in any round I'm not throwing it, I get the shield bonus. I've always been convinced that, somewhere, there should be different options for what material you can make the net out of. But, I haven't ever seen such things :( so that you can upgrade your net's break DC and/or make it harder to escape artist out of.
Krusk 10-30-07, 02:40 AM	Any DM would surely be willing to work with you to create new materials that a net can be constructed out of. A mithril or adamantine net would be so cool. If you have dungeonscape you can use the adamantine manacles as an example of new matierials for old items.
RavenDrake 10-30-07, 01:43 PM	When I made a gladiator type character (trident and net), My DM let me make a Dragonhide net, which increased it to iron-like strength (Hardness 10, 30HP, Break DC 26) and the Net itself was immune to the dragon's particular element(in this case a Black Dragon, so Acid).
tenguroEd 10-30-07, 02:11 PM	Hm, I don't see how a scythe can be weapon finnesable though I always thought scimitars could be used with weapon finnese.
Saiyamantis 10-30-07, 03:53 PM	Scimitars aren't inherently finesse-able, but there are a couple of ways to make them so, specifically the dervish (Complete Warrior) and corsair (Dragon #321). The corsair also give you the ability to add your Dexterity modifier to damage, but only after 9 levels in the class.
Thief_of_Hope 10-30-07, 09:30 PM	You might also like the Einhander feat from Player's Handbook 2, which gives options for characters using a weapon in one hand and nothing in the other. And just for the heck of it, Poison Dusk Lizardfolk from Monster Manual 3 treat nets (and bolas) as martial weapons instead of exotic.:thumbsup:
Disciple_of_Salsa 10-30-07, 10:13 PM	There's an enchantment in MIC that makes anyone who wields a weapon proficient. I think they're called aptitude weapons. So, just get an aptitude spiked chain.
Jaxgaret 10-30-07, 11:46 PM	I think (but I'm not sure), that a feycraft (DMGII) greatsword would be a finessable 2H weapon at 2d4 damage. Someone by their books could check. Nope. Feycraft only makes 1H weapons be considered Light, and Light weapons be considered Finesse-able. I'd go with DoS's suggestion of an Aptitude Spiked Chain or Aptitude Courtblade.
Lord QZip 10-31-07, 01:21 AM	Didn't know about the aptitude enchantment, this allows me some actual choices hmm... It's probably a +1 enchantment from the sound of it... Hopefully we'll start out with enough money for one off the bat. If so, then such a thing will be a very viable choice. If not, then I just need to save up. Thief_of_Hope hate to shoot down your ideas but, looked at the Einhander feat and it doesn't make up for the obvious lack of damage you get with just a 1H weapon, even if it's a step in the right direction. Also, I've already determined my race.
Legdiwena 10-31-07, 02:39 PM	Dex is more suited to 1H weapons and Str better for 2H, why you get a better bonus using 2H.
Werral 10-31-07, 09:08 PM	Using a scythe as a martial weapon at all does too, but I guess that's where the fantasy comes in. There's a reason why people used ranseurs, glaives, greatswords and halberds instead of scythes - and that reason probably wasn't "we didn't have Improved Critical." There were war-scythes. Either they were hastily made weapons peasants used in uprising or when drafted - they reversed the blades for use in combat - or they were fairly sophisticated weapons where the blade swiveled up so it basically became more like a normal polearm. Again the idea was that people could scythe cropsp and then defend themselves if attacked. Scythes were never used as weapons with the scythe in the harvesting position though.
Jaxgaret 11-01-07, 02:07 AM	There were war-scythes. War scythe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe).
PhaedrusXY 11-01-07, 01:03 PM	Hmm interesting points. I'll ask my DM if I can get some 2H martial weapon finessable weapon... I hadn't thought about wielding a 1H weapon in 2H but the whole rapier thing is disheartening.Disheartening? Why? You can do exactly what you're wanting with it (Wield it in two hands and still use Weapon Finesse).
Janos Antero 11-01-07, 10:33 PM	Another option is Graceful Edge from November 2005 Dungeon: Graceful Edge - Fighting bonus, applies to a one-handed slashing weapon Prereqs: Weapon Focus (with weapon chosen), Weapon Finesse, +1 BA Bonus: If you do not wield a shield or weapon in your off-hand, treat your chosen weapon as a light weapon. If you do not wield a shield or weapon in your off-hand you also gain a +1 shield bonus bonus. If you are fighting defensively or using the total defense action, the shield bonus increases to +2. So that would let you finesse a longsword or scimitar and give you some of the benefits of a shield as well. It isn't going to do damage like a 2-hander is, but it's a fun feat for effect.