3.5 mounted combat [Archive] - Wizards Community

3.5 mounted combat [Archive] - Wizards Community

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rb2123
01-31-05, 01:03 PM Say i'm on a large long mount, 10ft space, 5 ft reach. I'm using a lance 10 ft reach. My mount can attack any creature 5 ft outside his space, do i count my mount's space as my own when mounted? Therefore allowing me 10 ft reach outside my mount's 10 ft space.

When i'm being attacked while mounted does a creature need 10ft reach to attack me? Since i only take up 5 ft of space and am in the middle of my mount's 10 ft space.

When using the ride by attack feat the 3.5 errata states you must conduct your charge so that you move in a straight line toward the closest square from which it is possible to attack your chosen foe, so long as it is a square that allows you to attack and then continue on in the straight line of the charge. I conclude from this that you can charge a foe in a straight line if your 5 ft to the left/right of the foe and attack when you reach the first square that you threaten your foe. Since the 5 ft square in front of your foe, the 5 ft square to the right and left of your foe can all be considered the closest square from which it is possible to attack your foe. In this case i assume both you and your mount can make a charge attack when your within 5 ft of your foe and then continue your move action in that straight line up to double your move rate of your mount. If your using a lance with 10 ft reach i assume you can charge attack from 10 ft away, but your mount will not get a charge attack with only 5 ft reach. Think of it like jousting, both mounted combatants charge in a straight line but are 5 or 10 ft away and when they reach the first square they can attack they do. What do you all think?
StevenO
01-31-05, 03:03 PM I believe the D&D main page Rules of the Game section is currently covering mount related activities. (sorry I don't do links)

To briefly answer your questions you are considered to occupy all the spaces your mount does so any attack that can hit the mount can hit you. Your attacks however originate from a chosen square that your mount occupies. This lets you use sit up front and use your lance's 10' reach or sit back and fight opponents adjact to your mount.
ClementWillowbreaker
01-31-05, 03:10 PM Just because your mount and you both can make charge attacks, doesn't mean you have to make them at the same time. You have to make them under the same conditions, though- in the first square you can make one. So you could attack your enemy from afar, and then your mount would move five more feet, and make its attack. Or perhaps you could stay further from the enemy, get your charge, and keep both of you safe by never taking the horse into the enemy's threatened squares.
rb2123
01-31-05, 06:21 PM Just because your mount and you both can make charge attacks, doesn't mean you have to make them at the same time. You have to make them under the same conditions, though- in the first square you can make one. So you could attack your enemy from afar, and then your mount would move five more feet, and make its attack. Or perhaps you could stay further from the enemy, get your charge, and keep both of you safe by never taking the horse into the enemy's threatened squares.

Yeah, makes sense. With my rhino mount for my paladin, i think more often than not, i will charge 5 ft from my foe so my rhino can get in a 4d6+24 charge attack too.
rb2123
01-31-05, 06:30 PM How exactly does readying an action to set against a charge work? When i make my charge attack roll then the foe makes his attack at the same time? Does readying a spear/polearm to set against a charge mean bracing it against your body and letting the charging person run into it? Since it is a reach weapon can you set against a charge if the charger is 5 or 10ft adjacent to you or is it only useable if the charge comes directly towards you?
StevenO
02-01-05, 09:13 PM How exactly does readying an action to set against a charge work? When i make my charge attack roll then the foe makes his attack at the same time? Does readying a spear/polearm to set against a charge mean bracing it against your body and letting the charging person run into it? Since it is a reach weapon can you set against a charge if the charger is 5 or 10ft adjacent to you or is it only useable if the charge comes directly towards you?

Setting to receive a charge is really preparing an attack for when an opponent comes into reach. A charge against a prepared defender lets the DEFENDER make the first attack if reach is the same otherwise the longer reach prevails. Your description of setting a spear is somewhat correct although bracing it against something sturdier (like to the ground with your foot) is adviable. A longspear (pike) is a reach weapon and attacks at 10' while non-reach weapons attack when the charger moves to 5'. Off-setting your charge will not off-set the effects of a set defender if you hoped to avoid that possibility. That is the big reason longspears really deter charges.
deusxmachina
02-02-05, 01:56 AM When i'm being attacked while mounted does a creature need 10ft reach to attack me? Since i only take up 5 ft of space and am in the middle of my mount's 10 ft space.

I think there's something in the PHB that says for simplicity sake you are considered to occupy the same squares as your mount.
HomebrewedMonster
02-02-05, 09:12 AM I think there's something in the PHB that says for simplicity sake you are considered to occupy the same squares as your mount.

pg. 157 of the PHB. It will anwser all your questions.

Also you can look into the new "Rules of the Game" article for Mounts, that should help you as well.
Grindle
02-14-05, 09:49 PM I always thought my mount could get in a charge attack if I used ride-by to continue my charge another five feet. My dm recently ruled that won't work. He asked if I saw the latest Skip Williams article and at the time I hadn't. I have since and don't see anything in there that would preclude this combo. Any ideas as to why he wouldn't allow this?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
rb2123 01-31-05, 01:03 PM	Say i'm on a large long mount, 10ft space, 5 ft reach. I'm using a lance 10 ft reach. My mount can attack any creature 5 ft outside his space, do i count my mount's space as my own when mounted? Therefore allowing me 10 ft reach outside my mount's 10 ft space. When i'm being attacked while mounted does a creature need 10ft reach to attack me? Since i only take up 5 ft of space and am in the middle of my mount's 10 ft space. When using the ride by attack feat the 3.5 errata states you must conduct your charge so that you move in a straight line toward the closest square from which it is possible to attack your chosen foe, so long as it is a square that allows you to attack and then continue on in the straight line of the charge. I conclude from this that you can charge a foe in a straight line if your 5 ft to the left/right of the foe and attack when you reach the first square that you threaten your foe. Since the 5 ft square in front of your foe, the 5 ft square to the right and left of your foe can all be considered the closest square from which it is possible to attack your foe. In this case i assume both you and your mount can make a charge attack when your within 5 ft of your foe and then continue your move action in that straight line up to double your move rate of your mount. If your using a lance with 10 ft reach i assume you can charge attack from 10 ft away, but your mount will not get a charge attack with only 5 ft reach. Think of it like jousting, both mounted combatants charge in a straight line but are 5 or 10 ft away and when they reach the first square they can attack they do. What do you all think?
StevenO 01-31-05, 03:03 PM	I believe the D&D main page Rules of the Game section is currently covering mount related activities. (sorry I don't do links) To briefly answer your questions you are considered to occupy all the spaces your mount does so any attack that can hit the mount can hit you. Your attacks however originate from a chosen square that your mount occupies. This lets you use sit up front and use your lance's 10' reach or sit back and fight opponents adjact to your mount.
ClementWillowbreaker 01-31-05, 03:10 PM	Just because your mount and you both can make charge attacks, doesn't mean you have to make them at the same time. You have to make them under the same conditions, though- in the first square you can make one. So you could attack your enemy from afar, and then your mount would move five more feet, and make its attack. Or perhaps you could stay further from the enemy, get your charge, and keep both of you safe by never taking the horse into the enemy's threatened squares.
rb2123 01-31-05, 06:21 PM	Just because your mount and you both can make charge attacks, doesn't mean you have to make them at the same time. You have to make them under the same conditions, though- in the first square you can make one. So you could attack your enemy from afar, and then your mount would move five more feet, and make its attack. Or perhaps you could stay further from the enemy, get your charge, and keep both of you safe by never taking the horse into the enemy's threatened squares. Yeah, makes sense. With my rhino mount for my paladin, i think more often than not, i will charge 5 ft from my foe so my rhino can get in a 4d6+24 charge attack too.
rb2123 01-31-05, 06:30 PM	How exactly does readying an action to set against a charge work? When i make my charge attack roll then the foe makes his attack at the same time? Does readying a spear/polearm to set against a charge mean bracing it against your body and letting the charging person run into it? Since it is a reach weapon can you set against a charge if the charger is 5 or 10ft adjacent to you or is it only useable if the charge comes directly towards you?
StevenO 02-01-05, 09:13 PM	How exactly does readying an action to set against a charge work? When i make my charge attack roll then the foe makes his attack at the same time? Does readying a spear/polearm to set against a charge mean bracing it against your body and letting the charging person run into it? Since it is a reach weapon can you set against a charge if the charger is 5 or 10ft adjacent to you or is it only useable if the charge comes directly towards you? Setting to receive a charge is really preparing an attack for when an opponent comes into reach. A charge against a prepared defender lets the DEFENDER make the first attack if reach is the same otherwise the longer reach prevails. Your description of setting a spear is somewhat correct although bracing it against something sturdier (like to the ground with your foot) is adviable. A longspear (pike) is a reach weapon and attacks at 10' while non-reach weapons attack when the charger moves to 5'. Off-setting your charge will not off-set the effects of a set defender if you hoped to avoid that possibility. That is the big reason longspears really deter charges.
deusxmachina 02-02-05, 01:56 AM	When i'm being attacked while mounted does a creature need 10ft reach to attack me? Since i only take up 5 ft of space and am in the middle of my mount's 10 ft space. I think there's something in the PHB that says for simplicity sake you are considered to occupy the same squares as your mount.
HomebrewedMonster 02-02-05, 09:12 AM	I think there's something in the PHB that says for simplicity sake you are considered to occupy the same squares as your mount. pg. 157 of the PHB. It will anwser all your questions. Also you can look into the new "Rules of the Game" article for Mounts, that should help you as well.
Grindle 02-14-05, 09:49 PM	I always thought my mount could get in a charge attack if I used ride-by to continue my charge another five feet. My dm recently ruled that won't work. He asked if I saw the latest Skip Williams article and at the time I hadn't. I have since and don't see anything in there that would preclude this combo. Any ideas as to why he wouldn't allow this?