3.5 Small or weak character against large-strong-grappling creatures...arg [Archive] - Wizards Community

3.5 Small or weak character against large-strong-grappling creatures...arg [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Harmor
11-07-04, 05:12 PM Is there anything a small/weak character can do against large-strong-grappling creatures?

I max out Escape Artist, but really that doesn't help unless the creature is taking -20 on its grapple check.

There is a feat in Complete Warrior that allows you to take an AoO when someone grapples you and the damage is added to your grapple check, but usually adding +5-10 to your grapple check doesn't help when they have +20 or more.

Perhaps a spell or something that make the creature not want to grapple you?
DM Zoc
11-07-04, 05:47 PM Freedom of Movement makes you immune to being grappled. You can likely research a lower-level spell that just makes you very slippery.
Nidair
11-07-04, 06:20 PM Wearing spiked armor helps a lot, but mages need to research something such as, indeed, making you slippery, or making your clothing verrrry hot to the touch.
ClementWillowbreaker
11-07-04, 07:28 PM The feat Clever Wrestling gives you a scaling bonus on grapple checks, with higher pluses for larger enemies. Its not much, but enough to keep those halfling Fighters from getting constantly choked to death.
Harmor
11-07-04, 07:54 PM I just looked up the spell Grease. That looks like it might help too.

Is the feat Giantbane in Complete Warrior any good?
CruelDM
11-07-04, 10:21 PM Grease adds 10 to your opposed grapple checks, ring of blinking or the blink spell, armor of etherealness or ethereal jaunt and phasing. Items that increase strength, vest of escape, theres a lot more.......
Nom
11-07-04, 11:12 PM The two easiest ways, accessible from level 1:

(1) Hit with the AoO. Doesn't work against creatures with Improved Grapple or Improved Grab, though.

(2) Stay out of range.

Note that Improved Grapple will help to. The +4 bonus is equivalent to a size category.
Dyne
11-07-04, 11:27 PM Try to hit with the AoO. If it deals damage, the Grapple attempt automatically fails.

Get as high a Touch AC as possible. If they can't grab you, they can't Grapple you.

Taking Improved Grapple gives you a +4 bonus to Grapple checks, including checks escape.

Max out Escape Artist.

Enchanting your armor with Slick gives you bonuses to Escape Artist.

The spell Grease can help you escape.

Vest of Escape gives you bonuses to Escape Artist and Open Lock.
Norseman
11-08-04, 12:23 PM First rule of combat - Never try to grapple with the cave troll.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Harmor 11-07-04, 05:12 PM	Is there anything a small/weak character can do against large-strong-grappling creatures? I max out Escape Artist, but really that doesn't help unless the creature is taking -20 on its grapple check. There is a feat in Complete Warrior that allows you to take an AoO when someone grapples you and the damage is added to your grapple check, but usually adding +5-10 to your grapple check doesn't help when they have +20 or more. Perhaps a spell or something that make the creature not want to grapple you?
DM Zoc 11-07-04, 05:47 PM	Freedom of Movement makes you immune to being grappled. You can likely research a lower-level spell that just makes you very slippery.
Nidair 11-07-04, 06:20 PM	Wearing spiked armor helps a lot, but mages need to research something such as, indeed, making you slippery, or making your clothing verrrry hot to the touch.
ClementWillowbreaker 11-07-04, 07:28 PM	The feat Clever Wrestling gives you a scaling bonus on grapple checks, with higher pluses for larger enemies. Its not much, but enough to keep those halfling Fighters from getting constantly choked to death.
Harmor 11-07-04, 07:54 PM	I just looked up the spell Grease. That looks like it might help too. Is the feat Giantbane in Complete Warrior any good?
CruelDM 11-07-04, 10:21 PM	Grease adds 10 to your opposed grapple checks, ring of blinking or the blink spell, armor of etherealness or ethereal jaunt and phasing. Items that increase strength, vest of escape, theres a lot more.......
Nom 11-07-04, 11:12 PM	The two easiest ways, accessible from level 1: (1) Hit with the AoO. Doesn't work against creatures with Improved Grapple or Improved Grab, though. (2) Stay out of range. Note that Improved Grapple will help to. The +4 bonus is equivalent to a size category.
Dyne 11-07-04, 11:27 PM	Try to hit with the AoO. If it deals damage, the Grapple attempt automatically fails. Get as high a Touch AC as possible. If they can't grab you, they can't Grapple you. Taking Improved Grapple gives you a +4 bonus to Grapple checks, including checks escape. Max out Escape Artist. Enchanting your armor with Slick gives you bonuses to Escape Artist. The spell Grease can help you escape. Vest of Escape gives you bonuses to Escape Artist and Open Lock.
Norseman 11-08-04, 12:23 PM	First rule of combat - Never try to grapple with the cave troll.