5 foot step underwater possible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

5 foot step underwater possible? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Amurayi
08-17-05, 09:36 AM Heya,

if you don`t have Freedom of Movement cast on you, have no swim speed but firm footing you can move under water with half your speed.

However if you are halfed in your movement are you still able to make 5 foot steps at all?

A normal movement into the next battlegridsquare will be a normal movement then, correct?

Same as walking on difficult terrain?
tarkin
08-17-05, 10:29 AM Merely being movement impared does not mean you can't take a 5ft step.

To not be able to take a 5ft step, your speed needs to be reduced down to 5 or less. (Or as inigio pointed out below, you don't have a speed listed for that movement type, but that does not apply here).

So if your speed is normally 10 and you are at 1/2 speed cause you are in water, then you could not take a 5 ft step.

But if it were normally had a speed of 20, 1/2 that is 10, so you can take a 5ft step.

Now for the tough one:

Strict Game: speed of 15 ft, 1/2, round down. = 5, no 5ft step
Loose game: Speed of 15 ft, 1/2 = 7.5, 5ft step allowed
Power or anything goes game: Speed of 15 ft, 1/2, round up = 10 you can take a 5ft step.
Inigo Carmine
08-17-05, 10:36 AM From the SRD
Take 5-Foot Step

You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can’t take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can’t take a 5-foot step in the same round when you move any distance.

You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round.

You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature.

You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed.

Hampered movement prevents you fropm being able to take a 5-ft step, but calling swimming hampered movement is a little iffy. Thankfully, the part I bolded sums it up. If you don't have a swim speed, you can't 5-ft step while swimming.
Amurayi
08-17-05, 10:45 AM The question is.. can I do it when I touch the ground of the water (firm footing). I don`t need swim speed then.
Dougbert
08-17-05, 11:18 AM As long as you aren't hampered in some other fashion and still have a movement of 5' or better, then step boy! Step!
ClementWillowbreaker
08-17-05, 05:39 PM Except not.

You are either swimming, which means you can't five-foot-step because you do not have a listed swim speed OR

Hampered by the terrain (being a dense liquid all around you), which means your movement is cut in half AND you can't five-foot-step.

Read the ENTIRE Srd entry when someone posts it.
SamualT Barronsword
08-17-05, 05:59 PM However if you are halfed in your movement are you still able to make 5 foot steps at all?

The 3.5 glossary in the PHB, under half speed states you can not take a 5 foot step when moving at half speed, if that's any help towards answering this question.
Amurayi
08-18-05, 04:54 AM Thank you, SamualT Barronsword. Finally a proper answer.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Amurayi 08-17-05, 09:36 AM	Heya, if you don`t have Freedom of Movement cast on you, have no swim speed but firm footing you can move under water with half your speed. However if you are halfed in your movement are you still able to make 5 foot steps at all? A normal movement into the next battlegridsquare will be a normal movement then, correct? Same as walking on difficult terrain?
tarkin 08-17-05, 10:29 AM	Merely being movement impared does not mean you can't take a 5ft step. To not be able to take a 5ft step, your speed needs to be reduced down to 5 or less. (Or as inigio pointed out below, you don't have a speed listed for that movement type, but that does not apply here). So if your speed is normally 10 and you are at 1/2 speed cause you are in water, then you could not take a 5 ft step. But if it were normally had a speed of 20, 1/2 that is 10, so you can take a 5ft step. Now for the tough one: Strict Game: speed of 15 ft, 1/2, round down. = 5, no 5ft step Loose game: Speed of 15 ft, 1/2 = 7.5, 5ft step allowed Power or anything goes game: Speed of 15 ft, 1/2, round up = 10 you can take a 5ft step.
Inigo Carmine 08-17-05, 10:36 AM	From the SRD Take 5-Foot Step You can move 5 feet in any round when you don’t perform any other kind of movement. Taking this 5-foot step never provokes an attack of opportunity. You can’t take more than one 5-foot step in a round, and you can’t take a 5-foot step in the same round when you move any distance. You can take a 5-foot step before, during, or after your other actions in the round. You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn’t hampered by difficult terrain or darkness. Any creature with a speed of 5 feet or less can’t take a 5-foot step, since moving even 5 feet requires a move action for such a slow creature. You may not take a 5-foot step using a form of movement for which you do not have a listed speed. Hampered movement prevents you fropm being able to take a 5-ft step, but calling swimming hampered movement is a little iffy. Thankfully, the part I bolded sums it up. If you don't have a swim speed, you can't 5-ft step while swimming.
Amurayi 08-17-05, 10:45 AM	The question is.. can I do it when I touch the ground of the water (firm footing). I don`t need swim speed then.
Dougbert 08-17-05, 11:18 AM	As long as you aren't hampered in some other fashion and still have a movement of 5' or better, then step boy! Step!
ClementWillowbreaker 08-17-05, 05:39 PM	Except not. You are either swimming, which means you can't five-foot-step because you do not have a listed swim speed OR Hampered by the terrain (being a dense liquid all around you), which means your movement is cut in half AND you can't five-foot-step. Read the ENTIRE Srd entry when someone posts it.
SamualT Barronsword 08-17-05, 05:59 PM	However if you are halfed in your movement are you still able to make 5 foot steps at all? The 3.5 glossary in the PHB, under half speed states you can not take a 5 foot step when moving at half speed, if that's any help towards answering this question.
Amurayi 08-18-05, 04:54 AM	Thank you, SamualT Barronsword. Finally a proper answer.