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+6 to all stats? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Angus Cotton
02-24-08, 01:45 PM Seems like there was a really expensive item out there that granted a +6 enchantment bonus to all stats. Anyone remember what it is and what book it is in? Also, are there any others out there that do the same thing?
Suspect_Unusual
02-24-08, 01:50 PM It's called something like the Belt of Perfection or somesuch, found IIRC in the Miniature's Handbook.
BowenSilverclaw1986
02-24-08, 01:51 PM Belt of Magnificence +6, +6 enhancement to all abilities voor 200k gp.
Don't remember the book though...

~Bowen
LordTarmos
02-24-08, 03:07 PM Belt of magnificence +2-+6 Miniatures Handbook.

Best belt ever +6 version is the best 200000 gp I ever spent
Nathreet
02-24-08, 04:00 PM A bit pricey since you might not need all 6 stats. But it saves on item slots, so it may be worth it at very high levels.
vagabonvoid
02-24-08, 04:07 PM perfect for MAD characters, like monks or paladins...
dman11235
02-24-08, 04:14 PM It's not worth it unless you actually want +6 to all stats. +6 to five stats is cheaper if you do it separate (which costs nothing more other than unusual slot according to the MiC). And I believe the item is in the Miniatures Handbook.
pigknight
02-24-08, 04:49 PM You can always custom build if your DM lets you.
Sunic_Flames
02-24-08, 05:12 PM If you have the MIC, there's that nice little rule to add to an existing item for no extra charge.

So you have a +6 strength belt of whatever, +6 dex gloves of whatever, +6 con and wis necklace of whatever, +6 int headband of whatever, and +6 cha cloak of whatever. Course, that assumes you need all 6. I dunno any characters who do. Not even monks and paladins. So pick 3-5 of those. Done. No need for the belt.
dman11235
02-24-08, 05:48 PM But the belt costs less than that.
LordTarmos
02-24-08, 08:40 PM It's not worth it unless you actually want +6 to all stats. +6 to five stats is cheaper if you do it separate (which costs nothing more other than unusual slot according to the MiC). And I believe the item is in the Miniatures Handbook.

The problem is that it would take up 5 slots instead of one. Only suggeswt the item at high levels (close to epic.) when you need the extra slots for other items.

emptying the slots is the only thing that makes this item worth the money you pay.

But the empty slots definately make it worth it.
Suspect_Unusual
02-24-08, 08:46 PM The problem is that it would take up 5 slots instead of one. Only suggeswt the item at high levels (close to epic.) when you need the extra slots for other items.

emptying the slots is the only thing that makes this item worth the money you pay.

But the empty slots definately make it worth it.

And the point of the MIC's contribution is that it allows you to enchant OTHER items of the right slot with bonuses to stats without an increase in cost - you could enhance a Cloak of the Montebank with +6 charisma for 36k gp.

This means you're effectively using 0 item slots, since the item slot is effectively filled with a DIFFERENT item.
LordTarmos
02-24-08, 08:53 PM If you have the MIC, there's that nice little rule to add to an existing item for no extra charge.

So you have a +6 strength belt of whatever, +6 dex gloves of whatever, +6 con and wis necklace of whatever, +6 int headband of whatever, and +6 cha cloak of whatever. Course, that assumes you need all 6. I dunno any characters who do. Not even monks and paladins. So pick 3-5 of those. Done. No need for the belt.

But now you cant wear your cloak or resistance, amulet of retribution (or natural armor), also you cant wear both the amulet of health and periapt of wisdom at the same time. you can't wear murderer's gloves or anytype of gauntlets. circlet of persuasion is now gone. you have no room when you have the 5 tat items (but wth the belt) the free slots are what make this item a steal.
LordTarmos
02-24-08, 08:54 PM And the point of the MIC's contribution is that it allows you to enchant OTHER items of the right slot with bonuses to stats without an increase in cost - you could enhance a Cloak of the Montebank with +6 charisma for 36k gp.

This means you're effectively using 0 item slots, since the item slot is effectively filled with a DIFFERENT item.

to add new magic to an existing magic item costs 1.5 times what the item alone would cost. (so to add your +6 charisma now costs 54000, suddenly that belt of magnificence does not look so bad.

Or at least according to SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicitems/creatingmagicitems.htm#addingnewabilitie s)
runestar
02-24-08, 09:07 PM A bit pricey since you might not need all 6 stats. But it saves on item slots, so it may be worth it at very high levels.

Naturally, the person who uses it will have want to boost multiple stats.:)

Paladins are no brainers, since they can benefit from a high str, con, wis, cha, with dex coming in a far second if they have a 10dex and plan on using mithral fullplate.

Monks up close, with boosts to str, dex, con and wis.

Powerful races such as trumpet archons and ghaeles benefit as well, since they have a want for 5 stat boosts.
dman11235
02-24-08, 09:17 PM According to the MiC (which overrules DMG) adding common effects (stat enhancement bonuses, resistance bonuses to saves, AC bonus, Natural Armor, Deflection) does not cost the 1.5 times as much, as I stated in my first post. And you can put these on your other items, so like Suspect_Unusual said, it's like they take up 0 slots.
ravenshrike
02-24-08, 10:31 PM to add new magic to an existing magic item costs 1.5 times what the item alone would cost. (so to add your +6 charisma now costs 54000, suddenly that belt of magnificence does not look so bad.

Or at least according to SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicitems/creatingmagicitems.htm#addingnewabilitie s)

The MIC negates this rule for certain common enhancements. Primarily stat enhancers and the Nat armor amulet types. This allows there to be varied magic item use, since getting the basics covered suddenly becomes within the range of the characters monetary limits.
mtbOgre
02-24-08, 10:57 PM According to the MiC (which overrules DMG) adding common effects (stat enhancement bonuses, resistance bonuses to saves, AC bonus, Natural Armor, Deflection) does not cost the 1.5 times as much, as I stated in my first post. And you can put these on your other items, so like Suspect_Unusual said, it's like they take up 0 slots.

As long as you add the effect to the item in the correct slot. The problem with this approach versus the belt is that now if you ever want to upgrade those gloves of whatever to something nicer you also have to add the +6 dex effect to the new item. Which means you have pretty much married that item (especially gloves which would have strength and dex both. With the belt you can change out the other items with relative ease.
CryoSilver
02-24-08, 11:18 PM It's sometimes worth the extra money to free up all the other slots.

Now, instead of just boosting stats, you can wear that cloak of resistance, amulet of nondetection, gloves of arrow snaring, etc
Artector
02-24-08, 11:30 PM It's sometimes worth the extra money to free up all the other slots.

Now, instead of just boosting stats, you can wear that cloak of resistance, amulet of nondetection, gloves of arrow snaring, etc

Definately worth it. I'm playing a level 19-ish game (I just reached 20), and Would love a +6 to all stats item. (Which ironically just showed up in the loot.) I could then sell the other 3 items and free up my headband and glove slots.
runestar
02-24-08, 11:40 PM Yeah.

For example, periapt of wisdom used to compete with necklace of NA or amulet of mighty fists.

Now, much less opportunity costs.:)
strenoth
02-25-08, 08:41 AM that belt was also in one fo the splat books, btu I can't rememebr if it was the complete series or the 3.0 series.
Angus Cotton
02-25-08, 09:08 AM It's not worth it unless you actually want +6 to all stats. +6 to five stats is cheaper if you do it separate

Just to let yall know, I am playing a samarai/monk/iaijutsu master from oriental adventures, so, yes, all 6 stats would benefit me.

Thanks for the heads up btw, I was wondering what this item was, now if I could only find an Obi of Magnificence....Time to go a questing...
Naderion
02-25-08, 12:48 PM I calculated the price by the guidelines in the DMG and came to 306.000 gp, and that's not including extra costs for making an Int-boost belt. Buying six items with +6 to one score each is allready 216.000 gp.
Str and Con would fit on a belt, but if you add +1.5 for the other four scores, it's even 414.000.
200.000 gp wouldn't even be half the price for such an item.

Str = 36.000
Con = 36.000*1,5 = 54.000
Dex = 36.000*1,5*1,5 =81.000
Int = 36.000*1,5*1,5 = 81.000
Wis = 36.000*1,5*1,5 = 81.000
Cha = 36.000*1,5*1,5 = 81.000

Total = 414.000 gp.
Legdiwena
02-25-08, 01:25 PM Str = 36.000
Con = 36.000
Dex = 36.000
Int = 36.000
Wis = 36.000
Cha = 36.000

Total = 216.000 gp.

Fixed with MIC rules. Belt is still cheaper though.
dman11235
02-25-08, 04:23 PM And then it's 180,000 for five +6 stats.
Merestil Haye
02-26-08, 06:37 AM Fixed with MIC rules. Belt is still cheaper though.Sorry, but that's wrong.

The MIC rules state that you can add common enhancements to items that are in an appropriate body slot without paying the Multiple Different Abilities surcharge.

The only ability enhancers appropriate for a waist-slot item are Strength and Constitution. (MIC p234). Thus those are the only two that can be added to a belt without attracting a body-slot adjustment surcharge, and also the only ones that don't attract a multiple different ability surcharge.

So by the MIC rules, you could get away with crafting a belt of Dex+6 and adding the other five abilities afterwards for a total cost of 342,000gp. It breaks down as follows.

Dex : 54,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge)
Str : 36,000
Con : 36,000
Int : 72,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge and +50% multiple ability surcharge)
Wis : 72,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge and +50% multiple ability surcharge)
Cha : 72,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge and +50% multiple ability surcharge)

The market price always assumes the item is made in the most efficient way, which is to start with a power that doesn't escape the surcharges thus avoiding the MDA surcharge.
LunarWolfPrime
02-26-08, 09:11 AM perfect for MAD characters, like monks or paladins...

Her is another route you could take with that take few lvl'sin monk the take monastic training feat rouge and unorthidox flurry with kukri's and then take lvl's in invisable blade, they would be able to add DEX, WIS, and INT to their AC
dman11235
02-26-08, 10:40 AM Look, Merestil, the point still stands. You could use a ring or a robe if you wanted. And you could put them all on different items, on top of other abilities.

EDIT: Bah, three stats to AC? I got wisdom twice, charisma five times, con and dex once, and int either once or twice. All legal, just not sure if it's possible.
Merestil Haye
02-26-08, 12:14 PM Look, Merestil, the point still stands. You could use a ring or a robe if you wanted. And you could put them all on different items, on top of other abilities.I was responding to a misstatement of the rules that the MIC presents. Please read my post in that context. Whether the Belt represents good value depends on what the cost of the Belt actually is, and neither poster had it right. So I pointed out what the rules actually say.

I'm not arguing against the idea that with MIC rules in force, it's much cheaper to put the powers into items worn in appropriate slots; there's no opportunity cost to do so any more. But I do disagree about robe and ring slots being free of surcharges. Neither attract body-slot affinity surcharges (possibly - I'm not certain about robes), but no ability enhancement avoids the multiple ability surcharge if put into a ring and if put into a robe only Con does. Again, read the table on page 234, and the following text.The table also indicates the appropriate body slot (or slots) for each effect. For example, you can add an enhancement bonus to Charisma only to an item that occupies the head or shoulders body slot (such as a headband or cloak).Before you argue that rings are suitable for everything, for the purposes of this table they are separate slots - note, for example, that Deflection bonuses to AC are specifically noted as appropriate for a Ring, and the complete absence of any such annotation for the ability enhancers. Therefore rings with multiple ability enhancers do attract the MDA surcharge.
Legdiwena
02-26-08, 04:11 PM Well, even with my misreading the rules, it's still cheaper to buy the belt with everything than to buy bonuses individually.
Dheran
02-27-08, 06:32 PM Well, even with my misreading the rules, it's still cheaper to buy the belt with everything than to buy bonuses individually. Only if you need all 6 ability scores raised. Even if you can get reasonable benefit from 5 stats it's still cheaper to add those boosts to existing slotted items, or buy new items in the appropriate slots. Plus one really expensive item is an excellent target for some enemy with Sleight of Hand or sunder in mind.

Yes, 200K is a discount over the 216K price if you got the boosts individually. But it's nothing earth-shattering.
Legdiwena
04-02-08, 03:37 PM Anyone have the prices for belts of magnificence with less than +6?
kalstrand
04-02-08, 10:44 PM The Miniatures Handbook has the price for the +2 and +4 versions as well.
NoldorForce
04-03-08, 12:02 AM The Miniatures Handbook has the price for the +2 and +4 versions as well.25K GP and 100K GP, respectively.
groveborn
04-03-08, 02:43 AM I statted something like this out once, just to see if it's worth it. An item that takes no space on the body (slotless) would cost less than a slotted item providing a certain bonus. For +6, after 4 abilities, they match. At 5, it costs LESS to make it slotless.
Legdiwena
04-03-08, 02:48 PM Thanks much, I rearranged my purchases to fit in the 200k for +6 belt.
Nezkrul
04-03-08, 06:56 PM IMO the belt is a good item to have in any campaign that happens to be high enough level for even one of these to be for sale or available for ordering/crafting. Sure you save 16k and 5 slots, but for crying out loud, 200k for one item is craaaazy.

But for all of you who try to make the statement that no one needs +6 to all stats: go ahead and just plain ERASE every single skill on your character sheets that uses the modifiers you dont use, and act like you don't get to roll them since they no longer exist. If you really don't think it helps you, then go the extra distance and make sure.

my point being, the belt = +3 to all skill checks
risner
04-03-08, 08:43 PM Seems like there was a really expensive item out there that granted a +6 enchantment bonus to all stats. Anyone remember what it is and what book it is in? Also, are there any others out there that do the same thing?

Belt of Magnificence, MH page 48 or 148 or 127 (I can't remember exactly)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Angus Cotton 02-24-08, 01:45 PM	Seems like there was a really expensive item out there that granted a +6 enchantment bonus to all stats. Anyone remember what it is and what book it is in? Also, are there any others out there that do the same thing?
Suspect_Unusual 02-24-08, 01:50 PM	It's called something like the Belt of Perfection or somesuch, found IIRC in the Miniature's Handbook.
BowenSilverclaw1986 02-24-08, 01:51 PM	Belt of Magnificence +6, +6 enhancement to all abilities voor 200k gp. Don't remember the book though... ~Bowen
LordTarmos 02-24-08, 03:07 PM	Belt of magnificence +2-+6 Miniatures Handbook. Best belt ever +6 version is the best 200000 gp I ever spent
Nathreet 02-24-08, 04:00 PM	A bit pricey since you might not need all 6 stats. But it saves on item slots, so it may be worth it at very high levels.
vagabonvoid 02-24-08, 04:07 PM	perfect for MAD characters, like monks or paladins...
dman11235 02-24-08, 04:14 PM	It's not worth it unless you actually want +6 to all stats. +6 to five stats is cheaper if you do it separate (which costs nothing more other than unusual slot according to the MiC). And I believe the item is in the Miniatures Handbook.
pigknight 02-24-08, 04:49 PM	You can always custom build if your DM lets you.
Sunic_Flames 02-24-08, 05:12 PM	If you have the MIC, there's that nice little rule to add to an existing item for no extra charge. So you have a +6 strength belt of whatever, +6 dex gloves of whatever, +6 con and wis necklace of whatever, +6 int headband of whatever, and +6 cha cloak of whatever. Course, that assumes you need all 6. I dunno any characters who do. Not even monks and paladins. So pick 3-5 of those. Done. No need for the belt.
dman11235 02-24-08, 05:48 PM	But the belt costs less than that.
LordTarmos 02-24-08, 08:40 PM	It's not worth it unless you actually want +6 to all stats. +6 to five stats is cheaper if you do it separate (which costs nothing more other than unusual slot according to the MiC). And I believe the item is in the Miniatures Handbook. The problem is that it would take up 5 slots instead of one. Only suggeswt the item at high levels (close to epic.) when you need the extra slots for other items. emptying the slots is the only thing that makes this item worth the money you pay. But the empty slots definately make it worth it.
Suspect_Unusual 02-24-08, 08:46 PM	The problem is that it would take up 5 slots instead of one. Only suggeswt the item at high levels (close to epic.) when you need the extra slots for other items. emptying the slots is the only thing that makes this item worth the money you pay. But the empty slots definately make it worth it. And the point of the MIC's contribution is that it allows you to enchant OTHER items of the right slot with bonuses to stats without an increase in cost - you could enhance a Cloak of the Montebank with +6 charisma for 36k gp. This means you're effectively using 0 item slots, since the item slot is effectively filled with a DIFFERENT item.
LordTarmos 02-24-08, 08:53 PM	If you have the MIC, there's that nice little rule to add to an existing item for no extra charge. So you have a +6 strength belt of whatever, +6 dex gloves of whatever, +6 con and wis necklace of whatever, +6 int headband of whatever, and +6 cha cloak of whatever. Course, that assumes you need all 6. I dunno any characters who do. Not even monks and paladins. So pick 3-5 of those. Done. No need for the belt. But now you cant wear your cloak or resistance, amulet of retribution (or natural armor), also you cant wear both the amulet of health and periapt of wisdom at the same time. you can't wear murderer's gloves or anytype of gauntlets. circlet of persuasion is now gone. you have no room when you have the 5 tat items (but wth the belt) the free slots are what make this item a steal.
LordTarmos 02-24-08, 08:54 PM	And the point of the MIC's contribution is that it allows you to enchant OTHER items of the right slot with bonuses to stats without an increase in cost - you could enhance a Cloak of the Montebank with +6 charisma for 36k gp. This means you're effectively using 0 item slots, since the item slot is effectively filled with a DIFFERENT item. to add new magic to an existing magic item costs 1.5 times what the item alone would cost. (so to add your +6 charisma now costs 54000, suddenly that belt of magnificence does not look so bad. Or at least according to SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicitems/creatingmagicitems.htm#addingnewabilitie s)
runestar 02-24-08, 09:07 PM	A bit pricey since you might not need all 6 stats. But it saves on item slots, so it may be worth it at very high levels. Naturally, the person who uses it will have want to boost multiple stats.:) Paladins are no brainers, since they can benefit from a high str, con, wis, cha, with dex coming in a far second if they have a 10dex and plan on using mithral fullplate. Monks up close, with boosts to str, dex, con and wis. Powerful races such as trumpet archons and ghaeles benefit as well, since they have a want for 5 stat boosts.
dman11235 02-24-08, 09:17 PM	According to the MiC (which overrules DMG) adding common effects (stat enhancement bonuses, resistance bonuses to saves, AC bonus, Natural Armor, Deflection) does not cost the 1.5 times as much, as I stated in my first post. And you can put these on your other items, so like Suspect_Unusual said, it's like they take up 0 slots.
ravenshrike 02-24-08, 10:31 PM	to add new magic to an existing magic item costs 1.5 times what the item alone would cost. (so to add your +6 charisma now costs 54000, suddenly that belt of magnificence does not look so bad. Or at least according to SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicitems/creatingmagicitems.htm#addingnewabilitie s) The MIC negates this rule for certain common enhancements. Primarily stat enhancers and the Nat armor amulet types. This allows there to be varied magic item use, since getting the basics covered suddenly becomes within the range of the characters monetary limits.
mtbOgre 02-24-08, 10:57 PM	According to the MiC (which overrules DMG) adding common effects (stat enhancement bonuses, resistance bonuses to saves, AC bonus, Natural Armor, Deflection) does not cost the 1.5 times as much, as I stated in my first post. And you can put these on your other items, so like Suspect_Unusual said, it's like they take up 0 slots. As long as you add the effect to the item in the correct slot. The problem with this approach versus the belt is that now if you ever want to upgrade those gloves of whatever to something nicer you also have to add the +6 dex effect to the new item. Which means you have pretty much married that item (especially gloves which would have strength and dex both. With the belt you can change out the other items with relative ease.
CryoSilver 02-24-08, 11:18 PM	It's sometimes worth the extra money to free up all the other slots. Now, instead of just boosting stats, you can wear that cloak of resistance, amulet of nondetection, gloves of arrow snaring, etc
Artector 02-24-08, 11:30 PM	It's sometimes worth the extra money to free up all the other slots. Now, instead of just boosting stats, you can wear that cloak of resistance, amulet of nondetection, gloves of arrow snaring, etc Definately worth it. I'm playing a level 19-ish game (I just reached 20), and Would love a +6 to all stats item. (Which ironically just showed up in the loot.) I could then sell the other 3 items and free up my headband and glove slots.
runestar 02-24-08, 11:40 PM	Yeah. For example, periapt of wisdom used to compete with necklace of NA or amulet of mighty fists. Now, much less opportunity costs.:)
strenoth 02-25-08, 08:41 AM	that belt was also in one fo the splat books, btu I can't rememebr if it was the complete series or the 3.0 series.
Angus Cotton 02-25-08, 09:08 AM	It's not worth it unless you actually want +6 to all stats. +6 to five stats is cheaper if you do it separate Just to let yall know, I am playing a samarai/monk/iaijutsu master from oriental adventures, so, yes, all 6 stats would benefit me. Thanks for the heads up btw, I was wondering what this item was, now if I could only find an Obi of Magnificence....Time to go a questing...
Naderion 02-25-08, 12:48 PM	I calculated the price by the guidelines in the DMG and came to 306.000 gp, and that's not including extra costs for making an Int-boost belt. Buying six items with +6 to one score each is allready 216.000 gp. Str and Con would fit on a belt, but if you add +1.5 for the other four scores, it's even 414.000. 200.000 gp wouldn't even be half the price for such an item. Str = 36.000 Con = 36.0001,5 = 54.000 Dex = 36.0001,51,5 =81.000 Int = 36.0001,51,5 = 81.000 Wis = 36.0001,51,5 = 81.000 Cha = 36.0001,5*1,5 = 81.000 Total = 414.000 gp.
Legdiwena 02-25-08, 01:25 PM	Str = 36.000 Con = 36.000 Dex = 36.000 Int = 36.000 Wis = 36.000 Cha = 36.000 Total = 216.000 gp. Fixed with MIC rules. Belt is still cheaper though.
dman11235 02-25-08, 04:23 PM	And then it's 180,000 for five +6 stats.
Merestil Haye 02-26-08, 06:37 AM	Fixed with MIC rules. Belt is still cheaper though.Sorry, but that's wrong. The MIC rules state that you can add common enhancements to items that are in an appropriate body slot without paying the Multiple Different Abilities surcharge. The only ability enhancers appropriate for a waist-slot item are Strength and Constitution. (MIC p234). Thus those are the only two that can be added to a belt without attracting a body-slot adjustment surcharge, and also the only ones that don't attract a multiple different ability surcharge. So by the MIC rules, you could get away with crafting a belt of Dex+6 and adding the other five abilities afterwards for a total cost of 342,000gp. It breaks down as follows. Dex : 54,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge) Str : 36,000 Con : 36,000 Int : 72,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge and +50% multiple ability surcharge) Wis : 72,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge and +50% multiple ability surcharge) Cha : 72,000 (inc +50% body-slot surcharge and +50% multiple ability surcharge) The market price always assumes the item is made in the most efficient way, which is to start with a power that doesn't escape the surcharges thus avoiding the MDA surcharge.
LunarWolfPrime 02-26-08, 09:11 AM	perfect for MAD characters, like monks or paladins... Her is another route you could take with that take few lvl'sin monk the take monastic training feat rouge and unorthidox flurry with kukri's and then take lvl's in invisable blade, they would be able to add DEX, WIS, and INT to their AC
dman11235 02-26-08, 10:40 AM	Look, Merestil, the point still stands. You could use a ring or a robe if you wanted. And you could put them all on different items, on top of other abilities. EDIT: Bah, three stats to AC? I got wisdom twice, charisma five times, con and dex once, and int either once or twice. All legal, just not sure if it's possible.
Merestil Haye 02-26-08, 12:14 PM	Look, Merestil, the point still stands. You could use a ring or a robe if you wanted. And you could put them all on different items, on top of other abilities.I was responding to a misstatement of the rules that the MIC presents. Please read my post in that context. Whether the Belt represents good value depends on what the cost of the Belt actually is, and neither poster had it right. So I pointed out what the rules actually say. I'm not arguing against the idea that with MIC rules in force, it's much cheaper to put the powers into items worn in appropriate slots; there's no opportunity cost to do so any more. But I do disagree about robe and ring slots being free of surcharges. Neither attract body-slot affinity surcharges (possibly - I'm not certain about robes), but no ability enhancement avoids the multiple ability surcharge if put into a ring and if put into a robe only Con does. Again, read the table on page 234, and the following text.The table also indicates the appropriate body slot (or slots) for each effect. For example, you can add an enhancement bonus to Charisma only to an item that occupies the head or shoulders body slot (such as a headband or cloak).Before you argue that rings are suitable for everything, for the purposes of this table they are separate slots - note, for example, that Deflection bonuses to AC are specifically noted as appropriate for a Ring, and the complete absence of any such annotation for the ability enhancers. Therefore rings with multiple ability enhancers do attract the MDA surcharge.
Legdiwena 02-26-08, 04:11 PM	Well, even with my misreading the rules, it's still cheaper to buy the belt with everything than to buy bonuses individually.
Dheran 02-27-08, 06:32 PM	Well, even with my misreading the rules, it's still cheaper to buy the belt with everything than to buy bonuses individually. Only if you need all 6 ability scores raised. Even if you can get reasonable benefit from 5 stats it's still cheaper to add those boosts to existing slotted items, or buy new items in the appropriate slots. Plus one really expensive item is an excellent target for some enemy with Sleight of Hand or sunder in mind. Yes, 200K is a discount over the 216K price if you got the boosts individually. But it's nothing earth-shattering.
Legdiwena 04-02-08, 03:37 PM	Anyone have the prices for belts of magnificence with less than +6?
kalstrand 04-02-08, 10:44 PM	The Miniatures Handbook has the price for the +2 and +4 versions as well.
NoldorForce 04-03-08, 12:02 AM	The Miniatures Handbook has the price for the +2 and +4 versions as well.25K GP and 100K GP, respectively.
groveborn 04-03-08, 02:43 AM	I statted something like this out once, just to see if it's worth it. An item that takes no space on the body (slotless) would cost less than a slotted item providing a certain bonus. For +6, after 4 abilities, they match. At 5, it costs LESS to make it slotless.
Legdiwena 04-03-08, 02:48 PM	Thanks much, I rearranged my purchases to fit in the 200k for +6 belt.
Nezkrul 04-03-08, 06:56 PM	IMO the belt is a good item to have in any campaign that happens to be high enough level for even one of these to be for sale or available for ordering/crafting. Sure you save 16k and 5 slots, but for crying out loud, 200k for one item is craaaazy. But for all of you who try to make the statement that no one needs +6 to all stats: go ahead and just plain ERASE every single skill on your character sheets that uses the modifiers you dont use, and act like you don't get to roll them since they no longer exist. If you really don't think it helps you, then go the extra distance and make sure. my point being, the belt = +3 to all skill checks
risner 04-03-08, 08:43 PM	Seems like there was a really expensive item out there that granted a +6 enchantment bonus to all stats. Anyone remember what it is and what book it is in? Also, are there any others out there that do the same thing? Belt of Magnificence, MH page 48 or 148 or 127 (I can't remember exactly)