A chance to end the Big Sword Debate? [Archive] - Wizards Community

A chance to end the Big Sword Debate? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Necropolitan
10-02-06, 05:02 PM I'm curious, since I already posted one Final Fantasy weapon latey, if anyone's seen this let.

http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Buster-Sword-Battle/dp/B000GDCTIM/ref=sr_11_1/102-3918685-8092913?ie=UTF8

Seems to be an actual to-measure reproduction to every fanboy's favorate over-large weapon.

Since I'm a curious soul by nature, I've gone about purchasing one as soon as possable, and I'll put it through the measures as I would any other two-handed weapon I own; I've always been partial to Bastard Swords and Greatswords of authentic weight and measure as exercise devices.

Yes, I've had a fair degree of training from various members of the ARMA whom live nearby, so I would know how to properly handle a weapon as such, so I'm curious to see how the actual Buster Sword would apply to classical Two-Handed use of a blade.

Thoughts? Questions? Comments? Anything you could add to my little experiment I'm partaking here I'll gladly oblige, and update as I go; particular tests; barring cutting tests, as it's deliered false-edged and I'm a bit leery about sharpening a roughly 16lb sword with such a strange deisgn; I like my toes after all, but scuh things would be readily added to my already battery of tests I've prepared for this.

Curiosity will be the death of me yet.
tarkin
10-02-06, 05:41 PM I don't see any possible way that a big sword could be worth it.

The basic idea behind the fanboy "GIVE ME THE BIG ONE" is false. Their logic is "Bigger does more damage".

And that is wrong. More energy does more damage. While the human body has some limitations on moving a sword quickly, once you have given the weapon enough weight so that you can provide your full strength behind the blow, increasing the size of a weapon does not in any way increase the damage done.

So when you get a bigger weapon,you move it slower. Net energy delivered is the same.

Now, leverage and reach can help you but that is an argument for a pole arm, not a sword.

I would be much more impressed with someone that wanted to do more damage by making a Scythe with reach than some fanboy asking for a 'bigger weapon'. That lets you hit first and get maximum leverage, albeit at the cost of reducing your ability to parry and slowing yourself down (leverage comes with that price).

OK. New weapon Scythe with reach. He he He.
Watchman
10-02-06, 06:02 PM If you want mass and the certain useful applications it has, get a mace. Or one of those particularly heavy variations of the theme assorted Mideastern superheavy cavalry liked to bash each others' over-armoured brains out with.
SilverFoxKnows
10-02-06, 08:53 PM Please do not attempt to actually cut anything with that. If it's stainless it will most likely break when it meets any kind of resistance, chromium makes steel brittle. If I had to guess I'd say where the tang joins the blade, which should be radiused as right angles make huge stress risers. Oh, just saw you don't plan on cutting tests, good.

I don't think it will be good for anything besides hanging on the wall. If you can figure out a way to swing that thing around in a controlled fashion, my hat's off to you. I've swung a maul and pick axe working in the yard and they were feather weights compared to that sword like object. Good luck.
Necropolitan
10-02-06, 09:08 PM Please do not attempt to actually cut anything with that. If it's stainless it will most likely break when it meets any kind of resistance, chromium makes steel brittle. If I had to guess I'd say where the tang joins the blade, which should be radiused as right angles make huge stress risers. Oh, just saw you don't plan on cutting tests, good.

I don't think it will be good for anything besides hanging on the wall. If you can figure out a way to swing that thing around in a controlled fashion, my hat's off to you. I've swung a maul and pick axe working in the yard and they were feather weights compared to that sword like object. Good luck.

I'm sort of hoping my height will help some; I'm about 6'3" and fairly well built; I'm still worried about weight-multiplication from centrifugal force though.

I mean, swinging this thing out is going to make it's odd 16lb weight feel like something in the mid-thrities, I'm making sure to get my texture-gripped fencing gloves when it arrives; last thing I need to do is swing this thing in my backyard and send it flying through the neighbor's window.

At the very least your right; it'll make a spiffy wall-hanger for my little brothers to ooh and ahh at when they visit.
CryoSilver
10-02-06, 09:14 PM These big swords all strike me as basically poorly-balanced axes, rather than swords, at least in terms of usage. You can't parry with them (unless you use them as a shield) and the only practical attack is a massive overhand or sidearm swipe, which, if my time chopping wood and using large axes is any indication, is the only decent way to swing a large axe...
Necropolitan
10-02-06, 09:18 PM These big swords all strike me as basically poorly-balanced axes, rather than swords, at least in terms of usage. You can't parry with them (unless you use them as a shield) and the only practical attack is a massive overhand or sidearm swipe, which, if my time chopping wood and using large axes is any indication, is the only decent way to swing a large axe...

Well just eyeballing it I doubt many of the traditional two-handed sword stances will work all that well; and thrusting seems almost out of the question. I'm almost in phsyical pain thinking about it's balence with a hilt that proportionally short.

It seems that it'd be more suited to a style with alot of torso-invovled spinning slashes, not that it's an echonomical way to fight; exposing your back to an opponent is tantamount to suicide in most cases.

We'll see when it gets here.
CryoSilver
10-02-06, 09:19 PM Long story made quite short: if someone attempted to use this sword in real life, they would die quite fast. That's probably why no one used swords that big.

But hey, this is D&D.
Necropolitan
10-02-06, 09:27 PM Long story made quite short: if someone attempted to use this sword in real life, they would die quite fast. That's probably why no one used swords that big.

But hey, this is D&D.

Well this is what I'm setting out to prove one way or the other; I'm having one of my ARMA pals come over with his Sword and Sheild, and we're going to try a little spar with the Buster Sword.

I'm curious to how combat-capable it really is, so I'm trying to get him to bring a few other of his weapons, such as a Poleaxe and normal greatsword.
CryoSilver
10-02-06, 09:31 PM All I can think you'd be able to do with somethin that big is just smash his defenses down and then gib him, but post a video on youtube when you're done so we can all see :P
Almast
10-02-06, 09:33 PM Something interesting to remember. The sword that Amazon is selling is only 52 inches long, with only 36 1/2 inches of blade. This (http://museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/classic_medieval_sword.aspx) has a 33 inch blade. This (http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/15th_century_longsword.aspx) has a 36 1/2 inch long blade, the same of the Buster Sword.

The "big sword" crowd, as I've understood it, are concerned with overly long swords (things like Fullblades, etc), not the sort of thing that this seems to be (most of it's size comes from the 7 inches of blade width.)

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's interesting that the buster sword isn't really longer, just broader.
kaizer_soatze
10-02-06, 09:41 PM ok i have a pdf from a thread on them campagin workshop wich is essentially a big book on ff in D&D and it says buster swords dealed 3D6 damge
Necropolitan
10-02-06, 09:45 PM Something interesting to remember. The sword that Amazon is selling is only 52 inches long, with only 36 1/2 inches of blade. This (http://museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/classic_medieval_sword.aspx) has a 33 inch blade. This (http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/15th_century_longsword.aspx) has a 36 1/2 inch long blade, the same of the Buster Sword.

The "big sword" crowd, as I've understood it, are concerned with overly long swords (things like Fullblades, etc), not the sort of thing that this seems to be (most of it's size comes from the 7 inches of blade width.)

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's interesting that the buster sword isn't really longer, just broader.

Yes, that is a good point. Also don't forget the mesurements are taken against Cloud himself, who was 5'7" tall.

I, who will be testing this (Video is yet undetermnined, I lack a digital video camra, I'll have to see what I can do.) Am about 6'3" tall at most, I don't measure myself often, but at LEAST four inches taller then Cloud.

So at 36" the blade crossipieve will probably touch up about equal with normal Greatswords, maybe shorter.
Necropolitan
10-02-06, 09:46 PM ok i have a pdf from a thread on them campagin workshop wich is essentially a big book on ff in D&D and it says buster swords dealed 3D6 damge

Care to give source; and with some decent typing skills this time?
kaizer_soatze
10-02-06, 09:48 PM grammar no good for kaizeeer
one second page three of thee campagain workshop
Eikre
10-03-06, 01:12 AM You know, in defense of the guys who... Well, I dunno, think that buster swords are cool, or something- That blade is pretty obviously a wallhanger. It's made of stainless steel, it's poorly constructed (Look at the box that serves as a cross-guard), and they admit in the text that no attempt was made to balance it.

If someone took it upon themselves to put together a similar model with a level of competence, your test would come out more in your favor.

It's still a terrible idea for a weapon, though.
Nived
10-03-06, 12:13 PM Guys who want buster swords are trying to overcompensate for something, I think.:tie:
Necropolitan
10-03-06, 12:45 PM grammar no good for kaizeeer
one second page three of thee campagain workshop

I meant a link, if you would please.

As to the other things; well I'm not trying to prove this in a biased way at all, actually; I'm just a curious kitten, as my friends call me.

I honestly just want to know from sheer curiosity's standpoint how this thing would handle in even a mock-swordfight; I'm not out to berate or charign either group, I'm just in it for the sheer power of the know.

I want to know, so I'm going to test it.

As to the 'Cool' comment; seriously everyone who says that needs to get over themselves; we've all at some point or another made a equipment, style, feat or even physical appearence choice for out characters simply because we throught it was 'cool'; demonizing one group bec ause they think gigaassloadtastic blades are cool is frankly hypocritical, a touch immature, and plainly silly.

'nuff said, really.
Tempest_Dnate_Rown
10-03-06, 12:51 PM 36" is about standard sword length most swords ive seen range between 32 and 42"even most kendo sticks( wooden katana swords) are are about 40" given thats thinner but still a 36" in sword wouldnt be really all that hard to use.
Norsesmithy
10-03-06, 01:41 PM It would probably be easier to swing than the 16lb head maul I swing at work some times, so really, it won't be that bad, if you got more than 200lbs on your frame.

O' course, it isn't actually as big as the buster, but rather just the same proportions.

Oh well, a 73 inch English Greatsword would still be cooler (and a hell of a lot lighter).
Vaalingrade Ashland
10-03-06, 06:11 PM Unless you're a fictional character yourself, I don't see what this is supposed to prove.

If you are a fictional character, I'm more than a little creeped out that you're capable of posting in the real world.
Voldar_Mecorthio
10-03-06, 07:22 PM In the Arms and Equipment Guide there's the fullblade, which basicly is the anime fanboy big-as-you-are sword. Exotic, 2-handed, damage 2d8.
Fabius Maximus
10-03-06, 07:43 PM Yes, I've had a fair degree of training from various members of the ARMA whom live nearby, so I would know how to properly handle a weapon as such, so I'm curious to see how the actual Buster Sword would apply to classical Two-Handed use of a blade.Did you read the opinions? That abomination seems to be for show only.
Necropolitan
10-03-06, 08:57 PM Unless you're a fictional character yourself, I don't see what this is supposed to prove.

If you are a fictional character, I'm more than a little creeped out that you're capable of posting in the real world.

It's just how I roll, dawg. :cool:
Necropolitan
10-03-06, 09:02 PM Did you read the opinions? That abomination seems to be for show only.

You seem to miss the entire point of my experiment. We've argued a million times over the combat effectivness of anything of even near these proportions. I'm curious and I want to discover how something that hugely off balence would handle - if at all.

I'm not trying to 'prove' anything, I'm just curious and feel like sharing.

Personally I still find the elitism of weapons amongst a FANTASY game sort of silly, 'abomination'; pshst, like the Spiked Cheese perhaps?

No, no, no; the game is still fantasy; as long as we have Mithril, Adamantine and bloody Fireballs flying around; I don't see the point of having the hissyfit over a stylistyically overlarge sword.

It's the "Awwww you got your Anime in my D&D" fallacy all over again.

Until Mages create Fireballs and Melf's Acid Arrow usiing scientific formulas and chalkboards, I say we shouldn't **** and moan over a few slabswords.
Moon-Lancer
10-03-06, 11:57 PM How true. I like anime, I like d&d, I like to roleplay, I also like large swords as much as I like beautifully constructed long swords, because well fantasy is fantasy and if its within the mind to imagine then its easily apart of D&D.

Necropolitan, you gotta post videos
Vaalingrade Ashland
10-04-06, 12:16 AM While I appreciate the sentiment that people who complain about non-tradional fantasy elements in DnD, We seriously need to stop overusing the word 'fallacy'. It hasn't been used correctly since July of 1974.
Necropolitan
10-04-06, 12:19 AM While I appreciate the sentiment that people who complain about non-tradional fantasy elements in DnD, We seriously need to stop overusing the word 'fallacy'. It hasn't been used correctly since July of 1974.

Now that's Ironic. Falliably using the word Fallacy. Awesome.
Fabius Maximus
10-04-06, 06:54 AM You seem to miss the entire point of my experiment. We've argued a million times over the combat effectivness of anything of even near these proportions. I'm curious and I want to discover how something that hugely off balence would handle - if at all.

Eh, calm down. I didn't complain about the sword at all, or your desire to buy it. I simply pointed out that this thing is of minor craftmanship, so it could be dangerous to use, even if not sharpened.

If you want to waste your money on it, go ahead.

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Necropolitan 10-02-06, 05:02 PM	I'm curious, since I already posted one Final Fantasy weapon latey, if anyone's seen this let. http://www.amazon.com/Final-Fantasy-Buster-Sword-Battle/dp/B000GDCTIM/ref=sr_11_1/102-3918685-8092913?ie=UTF8 Seems to be an actual to-measure reproduction to every fanboy's favorate over-large weapon. Since I'm a curious soul by nature, I've gone about purchasing one as soon as possable, and I'll put it through the measures as I would any other two-handed weapon I own; I've always been partial to Bastard Swords and Greatswords of authentic weight and measure as exercise devices. Yes, I've had a fair degree of training from various members of the ARMA whom live nearby, so I would know how to properly handle a weapon as such, so I'm curious to see how the actual Buster Sword would apply to classical Two-Handed use of a blade. Thoughts? Questions? Comments? Anything you could add to my little experiment I'm partaking here I'll gladly oblige, and update as I go; particular tests; barring cutting tests, as it's deliered false-edged and I'm a bit leery about sharpening a roughly 16lb sword with such a strange deisgn; I like my toes after all, but scuh things would be readily added to my already battery of tests I've prepared for this. Curiosity will be the death of me yet.
tarkin 10-02-06, 05:41 PM	I don't see any possible way that a big sword could be worth it. The basic idea behind the fanboy "GIVE ME THE BIG ONE" is false. Their logic is "Bigger does more damage". And that is wrong. More energy does more damage. While the human body has some limitations on moving a sword quickly, once you have given the weapon enough weight so that you can provide your full strength behind the blow, increasing the size of a weapon does not in any way increase the damage done. So when you get a bigger weapon,you move it slower. Net energy delivered is the same. Now, leverage and reach can help you but that is an argument for a pole arm, not a sword. I would be much more impressed with someone that wanted to do more damage by making a Scythe with reach than some fanboy asking for a 'bigger weapon'. That lets you hit first and get maximum leverage, albeit at the cost of reducing your ability to parry and slowing yourself down (leverage comes with that price). OK. New weapon Scythe with reach. He he He.
Watchman 10-02-06, 06:02 PM	If you want mass and the certain useful applications it has, get a mace. Or one of those particularly heavy variations of the theme assorted Mideastern superheavy cavalry liked to bash each others' over-armoured brains out with.
SilverFoxKnows 10-02-06, 08:53 PM	Please do not attempt to actually cut anything with that. If it's stainless it will most likely break when it meets any kind of resistance, chromium makes steel brittle. If I had to guess I'd say where the tang joins the blade, which should be radiused as right angles make huge stress risers. Oh, just saw you don't plan on cutting tests, good. I don't think it will be good for anything besides hanging on the wall. If you can figure out a way to swing that thing around in a controlled fashion, my hat's off to you. I've swung a maul and pick axe working in the yard and they were feather weights compared to that sword like object. Good luck.
Necropolitan 10-02-06, 09:08 PM	Please do not attempt to actually cut anything with that. If it's stainless it will most likely break when it meets any kind of resistance, chromium makes steel brittle. If I had to guess I'd say where the tang joins the blade, which should be radiused as right angles make huge stress risers. Oh, just saw you don't plan on cutting tests, good. I don't think it will be good for anything besides hanging on the wall. If you can figure out a way to swing that thing around in a controlled fashion, my hat's off to you. I've swung a maul and pick axe working in the yard and they were feather weights compared to that sword like object. Good luck. I'm sort of hoping my height will help some; I'm about 6'3" and fairly well built; I'm still worried about weight-multiplication from centrifugal force though. I mean, swinging this thing out is going to make it's odd 16lb weight feel like something in the mid-thrities, I'm making sure to get my texture-gripped fencing gloves when it arrives; last thing I need to do is swing this thing in my backyard and send it flying through the neighbor's window. At the very least your right; it'll make a spiffy wall-hanger for my little brothers to ooh and ahh at when they visit.
CryoSilver 10-02-06, 09:14 PM	These big swords all strike me as basically poorly-balanced axes, rather than swords, at least in terms of usage. You can't parry with them (unless you use them as a shield) and the only practical attack is a massive overhand or sidearm swipe, which, if my time chopping wood and using large axes is any indication, is the only decent way to swing a large axe...
Necropolitan 10-02-06, 09:18 PM	These big swords all strike me as basically poorly-balanced axes, rather than swords, at least in terms of usage. You can't parry with them (unless you use them as a shield) and the only practical attack is a massive overhand or sidearm swipe, which, if my time chopping wood and using large axes is any indication, is the only decent way to swing a large axe... Well just eyeballing it I doubt many of the traditional two-handed sword stances will work all that well; and thrusting seems almost out of the question. I'm almost in phsyical pain thinking about it's balence with a hilt that proportionally short. It seems that it'd be more suited to a style with alot of torso-invovled spinning slashes, not that it's an echonomical way to fight; exposing your back to an opponent is tantamount to suicide in most cases. We'll see when it gets here.
CryoSilver 10-02-06, 09:19 PM	Long story made quite short: if someone attempted to use this sword in real life, they would die quite fast. That's probably why no one used swords that big. But hey, this is D&D.
Necropolitan 10-02-06, 09:27 PM	Long story made quite short: if someone attempted to use this sword in real life, they would die quite fast. That's probably why no one used swords that big. But hey, this is D&D. Well this is what I'm setting out to prove one way or the other; I'm having one of my ARMA pals come over with his Sword and Sheild, and we're going to try a little spar with the Buster Sword. I'm curious to how combat-capable it really is, so I'm trying to get him to bring a few other of his weapons, such as a Poleaxe and normal greatsword.
CryoSilver 10-02-06, 09:31 PM	All I can think you'd be able to do with somethin that big is just smash his defenses down and then gib him, but post a video on youtube when you're done so we can all see :P
Almast 10-02-06, 09:33 PM	Something interesting to remember. The sword that Amazon is selling is only 52 inches long, with only 36 1/2 inches of blade. This (http://museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/classic_medieval_sword.aspx) has a 33 inch blade. This (http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/15th_century_longsword.aspx) has a 36 1/2 inch long blade, the same of the Buster Sword. The "big sword" crowd, as I've understood it, are concerned with overly long swords (things like Fullblades, etc), not the sort of thing that this seems to be (most of it's size comes from the 7 inches of blade width.) Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's interesting that the buster sword isn't really longer, just broader.
kaizer_soatze 10-02-06, 09:41 PM	ok i have a pdf from a thread on them campagin workshop wich is essentially a big book on ff in D&D and it says buster swords dealed 3D6 damge
Necropolitan 10-02-06, 09:45 PM	Something interesting to remember. The sword that Amazon is selling is only 52 inches long, with only 36 1/2 inches of blade. This (http://museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/classic_medieval_sword.aspx) has a 33 inch blade. This (http://www.museumreplicas.com/webstore/eCat/swords_and_knives/historical/swords/15th_century_longsword.aspx) has a 36 1/2 inch long blade, the same of the Buster Sword. The "big sword" crowd, as I've understood it, are concerned with overly long swords (things like Fullblades, etc), not the sort of thing that this seems to be (most of it's size comes from the 7 inches of blade width.) Perhaps I'm wrong, but it's interesting that the buster sword isn't really longer, just broader. Yes, that is a good point. Also don't forget the mesurements are taken against Cloud himself, who was 5'7" tall. I, who will be testing this (Video is yet undetermnined, I lack a digital video camra, I'll have to see what I can do.) Am about 6'3" tall at most, I don't measure myself often, but at LEAST four inches taller then Cloud. So at 36" the blade crossipieve will probably touch up about equal with normal Greatswords, maybe shorter.
Necropolitan 10-02-06, 09:46 PM	ok i have a pdf from a thread on them campagin workshop wich is essentially a big book on ff in D&D and it says buster swords dealed 3D6 damge Care to give source; and with some decent typing skills this time?
kaizer_soatze 10-02-06, 09:48 PM	grammar no good for kaizeeer one second page three of thee campagain workshop
Eikre 10-03-06, 01:12 AM	You know, in defense of the guys who... Well, I dunno, think that buster swords are cool, or something- That blade is pretty obviously a wallhanger. It's made of stainless steel, it's poorly constructed (Look at the box that serves as a cross-guard), and they admit in the text that no attempt was made to balance it. If someone took it upon themselves to put together a similar model with a level of competence, your test would come out more in your favor. It's still a terrible idea for a weapon, though.
Nived 10-03-06, 12:13 PM	Guys who want buster swords are trying to overcompensate for something, I think.:tie:
Necropolitan 10-03-06, 12:45 PM	grammar no good for kaizeeer one second page three of thee campagain workshop I meant a link, if you would please. As to the other things; well I'm not trying to prove this in a biased way at all, actually; I'm just a curious kitten, as my friends call me. I honestly just want to know from sheer curiosity's standpoint how this thing would handle in even a mock-swordfight; I'm not out to berate or charign either group, I'm just in it for the sheer power of the know. I want to know, so I'm going to test it. As to the 'Cool' comment; seriously everyone who says that needs to get over themselves; we've all at some point or another made a equipment, style, feat or even physical appearence choice for out characters simply because we throught it was 'cool'; demonizing one group bec ause they think gigaassloadtastic blades are cool is frankly hypocritical, a touch immature, and plainly silly. 'nuff said, really.
Tempest_Dnate_Rown 10-03-06, 12:51 PM	36" is about standard sword length most swords ive seen range between 32 and 42"even most kendo sticks( wooden katana swords) are are about 40" given thats thinner but still a 36" in sword wouldnt be really all that hard to use.
Norsesmithy 10-03-06, 01:41 PM	It would probably be easier to swing than the 16lb head maul I swing at work some times, so really, it won't be that bad, if you got more than 200lbs on your frame. O' course, it isn't actually as big as the buster, but rather just the same proportions. Oh well, a 73 inch English Greatsword would still be cooler (and a hell of a lot lighter).
Vaalingrade Ashland 10-03-06, 06:11 PM	Unless you're a fictional character yourself, I don't see what this is supposed to prove. If you are a fictional character, I'm more than a little creeped out that you're capable of posting in the real world.
Voldar_Mecorthio 10-03-06, 07:22 PM	In the Arms and Equipment Guide there's the fullblade, which basicly is the anime fanboy big-as-you-are sword. Exotic, 2-handed, damage 2d8.
Fabius Maximus 10-03-06, 07:43 PM	Yes, I've had a fair degree of training from various members of the ARMA whom live nearby, so I would know how to properly handle a weapon as such, so I'm curious to see how the actual Buster Sword would apply to classical Two-Handed use of a blade.Did you read the opinions? That abomination seems to be for show only.
Necropolitan 10-03-06, 08:57 PM	Unless you're a fictional character yourself, I don't see what this is supposed to prove. If you are a fictional character, I'm more than a little creeped out that you're capable of posting in the real world. It's just how I roll, dawg. :cool:
Necropolitan 10-03-06, 09:02 PM	Did you read the opinions? That abomination seems to be for show only. You seem to miss the entire point of my experiment. We've argued a million times over the combat effectivness of anything of even near these proportions. I'm curious and I want to discover how something that hugely off balence would handle - if at all. I'm not trying to 'prove' anything, I'm just curious and feel like sharing. Personally I still find the elitism of weapons amongst a FANTASY game sort of silly, 'abomination'; pshst, like the Spiked Cheese perhaps? No, no, no; the game is still fantasy; as long as we have Mithril, Adamantine and bloody Fireballs flying around; I don't see the point of having the hissyfit over a stylistyically overlarge sword. It's the "Awwww you got your Anime in my D&D" fallacy all over again. Until Mages create Fireballs and Melf's Acid Arrow usiing scientific formulas and chalkboards, I say we shouldn't **** and moan over a few slabswords.
Moon-Lancer 10-03-06, 11:57 PM	How true. I like anime, I like d&d, I like to roleplay, I also like large swords as much as I like beautifully constructed long swords, because well fantasy is fantasy and if its within the mind to imagine then its easily apart of D&D. Necropolitan, you gotta post videos
Vaalingrade Ashland 10-04-06, 12:16 AM	While I appreciate the sentiment that people who complain about non-tradional fantasy elements in DnD, We seriously need to stop overusing the word 'fallacy'. It hasn't been used correctly since July of 1974.
Necropolitan 10-04-06, 12:19 AM	While I appreciate the sentiment that people who complain about non-tradional fantasy elements in DnD, We seriously need to stop overusing the word 'fallacy'. It hasn't been used correctly since July of 1974. Now that's Ironic. Falliably using the word Fallacy. Awesome.
Fabius Maximus 10-04-06, 06:54 AM	You seem to miss the entire point of my experiment. We've argued a million times over the combat effectivness of anything of even near these proportions. I'm curious and I want to discover how something that hugely off balence would handle - if at all. Eh, calm down. I didn't complain about the sword at all, or your desire to buy it. I simply pointed out that this thing is of minor craftmanship, so it could be dangerous to use, even if not sharpened. If you want to waste your money on it, go ahead.