A great debate, Inisghtful Strike from tomb of battle [Archive] - Wizards Community

A great debate, Inisghtful Strike from tomb of battle [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Cromeium
08-19-07, 11:37 PM Does Insightful strike work on things that are immune to crit's like constructs and undead.

The flavor text makes it seem like it wouldn't work on constructs, undead, or even a war-shaper.

The debate in my gaming group is that it seems to function similar but not like, sneak attack. And you cant sneak attack constructs or undead.

I need to know supporting information, like what book your getting your info so that I can make a final decision on what I want to do.
jaelis
08-20-07, 12:18 AM The maneuver doesn't say it is limited to creatures that can be crit'ed, so it's not. You have to take the flavor text loosely... literally, it would mean that the ability only works against opponents wearing armor.
BugHunter
08-20-07, 01:05 AM There are two insightful strikes one is a class feature for the Swordsage and the other is maneuver. IMO, you would be able to use both of them against undead and constructs.
Tempest Stormwind
08-20-07, 01:16 AM Does Insightful strike work on things that are immune to crit's like constructs and undead.

The flavor text makes it seem like it wouldn't work on constructs, undead, or even a war-shaper.

The debate in my gaming group is that it seems to function similar but not like, sneak attack. And you cant sneak attack constructs or undead.

I need to know supporting information, like what book your getting your info so that I can make a final decision on what I want to do.

Unless it's specified as precision damage or otherwise stated to not function on creatures immune to critical hits, it works on them.

Since neither the Discipline Focus (Insightful Strike) class feature nor either of the Insightful Strike Diamond Mind strikes say anything of the sort, they work perfectly well against undead, constructs, or similar "can't be critically hit" creatures.

Flavor text is just description, and you can describe your attacks however you want. If you have a problem with this, just consider it the equivalent of visualizing your attack ahead of time, calculating your opponent's likely positions, and launching the strike with perfect timing to maximize your damage potential against the cold, nonliving matter that composes your foe (as a Concentration check at those levels can be freaking insane).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Cromeium 08-19-07, 11:37 PM	Does Insightful strike work on things that are immune to crit's like constructs and undead. The flavor text makes it seem like it wouldn't work on constructs, undead, or even a war-shaper. The debate in my gaming group is that it seems to function similar but not like, sneak attack. And you cant sneak attack constructs or undead. I need to know supporting information, like what book your getting your info so that I can make a final decision on what I want to do.
jaelis 08-20-07, 12:18 AM	The maneuver doesn't say it is limited to creatures that can be crit'ed, so it's not. You have to take the flavor text loosely... literally, it would mean that the ability only works against opponents wearing armor.
BugHunter 08-20-07, 01:05 AM	There are two insightful strikes one is a class feature for the Swordsage and the other is maneuver. IMO, you would be able to use both of them against undead and constructs.
Tempest Stormwind 08-20-07, 01:16 AM	Does Insightful strike work on things that are immune to crit's like constructs and undead. The flavor text makes it seem like it wouldn't work on constructs, undead, or even a war-shaper. The debate in my gaming group is that it seems to function similar but not like, sneak attack. And you cant sneak attack constructs or undead. I need to know supporting information, like what book your getting your info so that I can make a final decision on what I want to do. Unless it's specified as precision damage or otherwise stated to not function on creatures immune to critical hits, it works on them. Since neither the Discipline Focus (Insightful Strike) class feature nor either of the Insightful Strike Diamond Mind strikes say anything of the sort, they work perfectly well against undead, constructs, or similar "can't be critically hit" creatures. Flavor text is just description, and you can describe your attacks however you want. If you have a problem with this, just consider it the equivalent of visualizing your attack ahead of time, calculating your opponent's likely positions, and launching the strike with perfect timing to maximize your damage potential against the cold, nonliving matter that composes your foe (as a Concentration check at those levels can be freaking insane).