A Mithril Tonlet [Archive] - Wizards Community

A Mithril Tonlet [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Daemon_Maior
02-27-08, 07:37 AM The book Arms and Armor describes a tonlet, which is a chainmail skirt, added to an existing piece of armor. It adds some Armor value, reduces Max Dex, worsens Armor Check Penalty, and slows down.

I was wondering how to make Mithral versions of this thing. The description says that, "if draped over another suit of armor, its armor bonus stacks with the bonus of the normal armor." Based on that I'd say that Mithrals bonuses are added to both the tonlet, and the piece of armor.

However, it also claims the tonlet modifies the Check penalties and Max Dex of the armor it's worn over. So that would mean Mithrals bonuses can only be added once(to the modified piece of armor). This seems illogical to me, since that would mean a Mithril tonlet would be half as heavy as a normal one, but have no other advantages.

Overall, I'm tended to say that the bonuses are to be added twice. But I'm afraid I'm not really objective, since it's my character that's probably going to end up wearing one.

Anyways, is there something I missed? Any rules I overlooked? Or is this really just up to the DM?
sakuradm
02-27-08, 09:09 AM It's true, there are such items, my pc has one in fact. Try Elven Chain (found towards the back of the 3.5 DMG) i would think you could have it made into a skirt (as i have) or just stick with the normal Elven Chain as depicted. It is a bit pricey if you are a lover level, but not too bad.
sakuradm
02-27-08, 09:09 AM *sigh* Sorry about my typo above, i meant to say LOWER.
Daemon_Maior
02-27-08, 09:32 AM That's what the edit button is for. :P

Anyways, My question was how to handle this mechanically. How to use the benefits Mithral armor gives you when a Mithral tonlet is used in combination with Armor.
sakuradm
02-27-08, 09:49 AM 1- there's an edit button? I didn't know that :P
2- yes i see....What kind of armour are you wanting to use this with?i would think if using this WITH a light armour, maybe it would be considered a medium armour...I'm not sure though. Otherwise, stack the AC?
jaelis
02-27-08, 10:02 AM Wait, are you trying to improve your overall max dex by adding a mithral skirt over it? There's no possible way that should work. At very best, the tonlet would improve your AC and leave your max dex and ACP alone.

This is also a cheesy item.
sakuradm
02-27-08, 10:09 AM lol if just wearing the tonlet, its not so cheesey...
1- Its super stylish and cute (if you are a girl of course:P)
2- it's light
3-good AC bonus :D
Daemon_Maior
02-27-08, 10:17 AM The tonlet adds Armor when worn over an existing piece of armor. Normally it also reduces Max Dex, worsens Armor Check Penalty, increases Arcane Spell Faliure chance, and decreases Moving Speed.

You could say it modifies the statistics of the armor it's worn over.

My question was what to do mechanically with a Mithral tonlet. Of course it's not going to increase the Max Dex of the armor I'm wearing, or reduce my Armor Check Penalty, it's make no sense if it did.

Based on the wording in 'Arms and Armor', I find it unclear what to do. It says the tonlets Armor Bonus stacks with the armor it's worn over, but Max Dex, ACP, ASFC are modified from the armor.
sakuradm
02-27-08, 10:23 AM Yes, meaning the AC goes up, and the other stuff worsens... sorry i dont ecaxtally know what you guys mean when you say "mechanically".
jaelis
02-27-08, 10:33 AM My question was what to do mechanically with a Mithral tonlet. Of course it's not going to increase the Max Dex of the armor I'm wearing, or reduce my Armor Check Penalty, it's make no sense if it did.

I'm not sure I understand quite what you're asking, maybe you could give us the numbers you're talking about.

But my own impression would be to rule that if both the armor and the tonlet were mithril, you'd apply the benefits of mithral to your overall scores. If only one of them were mithral, you'd get no benefit. Just seems the simplest answer.
Daemon_Maior
02-27-08, 10:34 AM By 'mechanically' I mean in terms of D&D's rules, what happens to Armor Class, Max Dex etc., you assumed that right.

So, I'm asking, what if I made a Mithral tonlet?

But now that I've had to explain myself so often, I found a mistake in my thoughts, and, through that, my answer. Thanks for the help. :D
sakuradm
02-27-08, 10:37 AM hehe.. answering an question with a question always works :D... i tried! :D but its good you figured it out ^_^
blade265
02-27-08, 10:56 AM Tonlet:If stacked with other armor:
• -4 to max Dex bonus of original armor; can’t go
below 0
• -3 to armor check penalty of original armor
• +10% to arcane spell failure percentage of original
armor
• Speed (30 ft.): 20 ft.; (20 ft.): 15 ft.

Tonlet,Short:If stacked with other armor:
• -2 to max Dex bonus of original armor; can’t go
below 0
• +5% to arcane spell failure chance of original
armor
• Speed reduced to (30 ft.): 20 ft.; (20 ft.): 15 ft.
if stacked with armor weighing more than 25
lbs.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Daemon_Maior 02-27-08, 07:37 AM	The book Arms and Armor describes a tonlet, which is a chainmail skirt, added to an existing piece of armor. It adds some Armor value, reduces Max Dex, worsens Armor Check Penalty, and slows down. I was wondering how to make Mithral versions of this thing. The description says that, "if draped over another suit of armor, its armor bonus stacks with the bonus of the normal armor." Based on that I'd say that Mithrals bonuses are added to both the tonlet, and the piece of armor. However, it also claims the tonlet modifies the Check penalties and Max Dex of the armor it's worn over. So that would mean Mithrals bonuses can only be added once(to the modified piece of armor). This seems illogical to me, since that would mean a Mithril tonlet would be half as heavy as a normal one, but have no other advantages. Overall, I'm tended to say that the bonuses are to be added twice. But I'm afraid I'm not really objective, since it's my character that's probably going to end up wearing one. Anyways, is there something I missed? Any rules I overlooked? Or is this really just up to the DM?
sakuradm 02-27-08, 09:09 AM	It's true, there are such items, my pc has one in fact. Try Elven Chain (found towards the back of the 3.5 DMG) i would think you could have it made into a skirt (as i have) or just stick with the normal Elven Chain as depicted. It is a bit pricey if you are a lover level, but not too bad.
sakuradm 02-27-08, 09:09 AM	sigh Sorry about my typo above, i meant to say LOWER.
Daemon_Maior 02-27-08, 09:32 AM	That's what the edit button is for. :P Anyways, My question was how to handle this mechanically. How to use the benefits Mithral armor gives you when a Mithral tonlet is used in combination with Armor.
sakuradm 02-27-08, 09:49 AM	1- there's an edit button? I didn't know that :P 2- yes i see....What kind of armour are you wanting to use this with?i would think if using this WITH a light armour, maybe it would be considered a medium armour...I'm not sure though. Otherwise, stack the AC?
jaelis 02-27-08, 10:02 AM	Wait, are you trying to improve your overall max dex by adding a mithral skirt over it? There's no possible way that should work. At very best, the tonlet would improve your AC and leave your max dex and ACP alone. This is also a cheesy item.
sakuradm 02-27-08, 10:09 AM	lol if just wearing the tonlet, its not so cheesey... 1- Its super stylish and cute (if you are a girl of course:P) 2- it's light 3-good AC bonus :D
Daemon_Maior 02-27-08, 10:17 AM	The tonlet adds Armor when worn over an existing piece of armor. Normally it also reduces Max Dex, worsens Armor Check Penalty, increases Arcane Spell Faliure chance, and decreases Moving Speed. You could say it modifies the statistics of the armor it's worn over. My question was what to do mechanically with a Mithral tonlet. Of course it's not going to increase the Max Dex of the armor I'm wearing, or reduce my Armor Check Penalty, it's make no sense if it did. Based on the wording in 'Arms and Armor', I find it unclear what to do. It says the tonlets Armor Bonus stacks with the armor it's worn over, but Max Dex, ACP, ASFC are modified from the armor.
sakuradm 02-27-08, 10:23 AM	Yes, meaning the AC goes up, and the other stuff worsens... sorry i dont ecaxtally know what you guys mean when you say "mechanically".
jaelis 02-27-08, 10:33 AM	My question was what to do mechanically with a Mithral tonlet. Of course it's not going to increase the Max Dex of the armor I'm wearing, or reduce my Armor Check Penalty, it's make no sense if it did. I'm not sure I understand quite what you're asking, maybe you could give us the numbers you're talking about. But my own impression would be to rule that if both the armor and the tonlet were mithril, you'd apply the benefits of mithral to your overall scores. If only one of them were mithral, you'd get no benefit. Just seems the simplest answer.
Daemon_Maior 02-27-08, 10:34 AM	By 'mechanically' I mean in terms of D&D's rules, what happens to Armor Class, Max Dex etc., you assumed that right. So, I'm asking, what if I made a Mithral tonlet? But now that I've had to explain myself so often, I found a mistake in my thoughts, and, through that, my answer. Thanks for the help. :D
sakuradm 02-27-08, 10:37 AM	hehe.. answering an question with a question always works :D... i tried! :D but its good you figured it out ^_^
blade265 02-27-08, 10:56 AM	Tonlet:If stacked with other armor: • -4 to max Dex bonus of original armor; can’t go below 0 • -3 to armor check penalty of original armor • +10% to arcane spell failure percentage of original armor • Speed (30 ft.): 20 ft.; (20 ft.): 15 ft. Tonlet,Short:If stacked with other armor: • -2 to max Dex bonus of original armor; can’t go below 0 • +5% to arcane spell failure chance of original armor • Speed reduced to (30 ft.): 20 ft.; (20 ft.): 15 ft. if stacked with armor weighing more than 25 lbs.