Action Conversion [Archive] - Wizards Community

Action Conversion [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Slayer_5
12-06-06, 04:04 AM Ok, so

Full Round Action = Move + Standard Action
Standard Action Can also be a move action.

What I want to know is, Just as a FRA is equal to 2 Move Actions, Can a Standard Action equal 2 Swift Actions?

I see swift actions being used for a lot of things, and I just want to know if there is anything official as to how the integrate in with the other actions...

Thanks guys
jaelis
12-06-06, 08:49 AM By the rules as written, you can only take one swift action per turn, and you can't use any other action to perform a swift action.

I think it is fine to play that you can use a standard action to perform a swift action, I've never seen any example of a problem with that.

Using a standard action to get two swift actions would be problematic.
runestar
12-06-06, 09:10 AM Using a standard action to get two swift actions would be problematic.
A wiz with a metamagic rod of quicken comes to mind...:P

I would uphold the 1 swift action/round limit, just to avoid any slippery slopes...
frasmage
12-06-06, 02:06 PM because you are not meant to cast more than two spells per round (standard+swift), You cannot have more than one swift action per round. however, I would rule that you could spend your entire standard action to utilize a single swift action in that action. however, you still cannot ready a swift action.
jaelis
12-06-06, 02:41 PM however, you still cannot ready a swift action.

Any particular reason?
frasmage
12-06-06, 06:28 PM because they were designed to be only on your turn. Otherwise they would call it an immediate action. Think of it this way: it would mean you could cast quickened spells on your foes' turns

The only reason I specify that is because you can ready standard action, but saying you are readying that action for using a swift action would break the purpose of swift actions.

does that make sense to you?
jaelis
12-06-06, 08:46 PM Why is it worse to cast a quickened spell on your foe's turn than to cast a regular spell on your foe's turn?

The only problem I could imagine is if there were some swift action thing to do that was actually better than a standard action. I'm not aware of any such thing, I wondered if you had something in mind.
frasmage
12-06-06, 09:05 PM actually, i jsut realized that made no sense at all (I'm really sleepy today...). Disregard the example, but still, no more than two spells per turn
jaelis
12-06-06, 09:09 PM I don't think there's any way that readying a swift action spell would give you more than two spells per turn. Unless we're thinking of it differently... I'm saying, you can ready a standard action (which takes up your standard action), and then use that standard action to cast a swift action spell.

I agree that you can't take your normal actions during your turn, and then ready a swift action in addition to that. I could imagine that is pretty abusable. But it's not really what we were talking about.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Slayer_5 12-06-06, 04:04 AM	Ok, so Full Round Action = Move + Standard Action Standard Action Can also be a move action. What I want to know is, Just as a FRA is equal to 2 Move Actions, Can a Standard Action equal 2 Swift Actions? I see swift actions being used for a lot of things, and I just want to know if there is anything official as to how the integrate in with the other actions... Thanks guys
jaelis 12-06-06, 08:49 AM	By the rules as written, you can only take one swift action per turn, and you can't use any other action to perform a swift action. I think it is fine to play that you can use a standard action to perform a swift action, I've never seen any example of a problem with that. Using a standard action to get two swift actions would be problematic.
runestar 12-06-06, 09:10 AM	Using a standard action to get two swift actions would be problematic. A wiz with a metamagic rod of quicken comes to mind...:P I would uphold the 1 swift action/round limit, just to avoid any slippery slopes...
frasmage 12-06-06, 02:06 PM	because you are not meant to cast more than two spells per round (standard+swift), You cannot have more than one swift action per round. however, I would rule that you could spend your entire standard action to utilize a single swift action in that action. however, you still cannot ready a swift action.
jaelis 12-06-06, 02:41 PM	however, you still cannot ready a swift action. Any particular reason?
frasmage 12-06-06, 06:28 PM	because they were designed to be only on your turn. Otherwise they would call it an immediate action. Think of it this way: it would mean you could cast quickened spells on your foes' turns The only reason I specify that is because you can ready standard action, but saying you are readying that action for using a swift action would break the purpose of swift actions. does that make sense to you?
jaelis 12-06-06, 08:46 PM	Why is it worse to cast a quickened spell on your foe's turn than to cast a regular spell on your foe's turn? The only problem I could imagine is if there were some swift action thing to do that was actually better than a standard action. I'm not aware of any such thing, I wondered if you had something in mind.
frasmage 12-06-06, 09:05 PM	actually, i jsut realized that made no sense at all (I'm really sleepy today...). Disregard the example, but still, no more than two spells per turn
jaelis 12-06-06, 09:09 PM	I don't think there's any way that readying a swift action spell would give you more than two spells per turn. Unless we're thinking of it differently... I'm saying, you can ready a standard action (which takes up your standard action), and then use that standard action to cast a swift action spell. I agree that you can't take your normal actions during your turn, and then ready a swift action in addition to that. I could imagine that is pretty abusable. But it's not really what we were talking about.