Adamantine armor and shield attacks [Archive] - Wizards Community

Adamantine armor and shield attacks [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Centauri
11-02-05, 01:52 PM If you make a shield bash with an adamantine shield or make an unarmed strike while wearing adamantine armor, are you considered to be attacking with a weapon that is adamatine and bludgeoning for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction?
bondious
11-02-05, 02:44 PM I'd say "yes", definately, for the Adamantine Shield. If you are simply wearing adamantine armor, though, that doesn't NECESSARILY mean that you have Adamantine gauntlets.

I suppose that since some armors (chainmail, full plate, half plate, scale, splint) say they come with gauntlets that you could house rule that an Adamantine-made armor would come with Adamantine gauntlets, and with these gauntlets then I'd say that you would bypass DR as you mentioned above. :)
Centauri
11-02-05, 02:45 PM I'd say "yes", definately, for the Adamantine Shield. If you are simply wearing adamantine armor, though, that doesn't NECESSARILY mean that you have Adamantine gauntlets. If I'm making an unarmed strike, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm using my fists.

Thanks for the response.
bondious
11-02-05, 03:06 PM If I'm making an unarmed strike, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm using my fists.

Thanks for the response.

That's right, I forgot about that. Knees, elbows, shoulder-blocks, headbutts...kicks and punches. These all (and possibly more) comprise an "unarmed strike", so it's logical to think that an area of one's body covered with Adamantine used to make that attack would overcome DR.

Interesting...I guess you might be correct, then, though I'd like to hear other's opinions on the matter.
MysterYvil
11-02-05, 03:45 PM As a DM, I'd definitely say yes on the shield. There's little other reason to get an adamantine shield, as it does not grant DR.

Also, I'd say yes on the armor, but I'd keep in mind that default unarmed strikes provoke AoOs, and that adding adamantine spikes to gauntlets and/or the armor would add to the cost of the armor separately (as weapons).

Don't see that it would unbalance things, or contradict the RAW in either case.
Centauri
11-02-05, 04:00 PM As a DM, I'd definitely say yes on the shield. There's little other reason to get an adamantine shield, as it does not grant DR. Yeah, the only other reasons I could see would be to keep the shield from being sundered or from rusting.

Also, I'd say yes on the armor, but I'd keep in mind that default unarmed strikes provoke AoOs I wasn't sure if unarmed strike that do lethal damage still provoke attacks of opportunity. Can you show me where that's spelled out?

and that adding adamantine spikes to gauntlets and/or the armor would add to the cost of the armor separately (as weapons). True. I've heard it said that an adamantine bludgeoning weapon is a must for combat types (for those powerful creatures that have DR/adamantine /bludgeoning or /both, I guess) and I thought it would save some gold if other equipment could serve that purpose.
ShinAkuma2
11-02-05, 04:03 PM I wasn't sure if unarmed strike that do lethal damage still provoke attacks of opportunity. Can you show me where that's spelled out?

Gauntlet: This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come with gauntlets.

An unarmed strike, by default, provokes AoOs. Spiked gauntlets, in addition to increasing damage a little, stops you from provoking.
Centauri
11-02-05, 04:18 PM An unarmed strike, by default, provokes AoOs. Spiked gauntlets, in addition to increasing damage a little, stops you from provoking. Thanks.
Rulebook
11-02-05, 06:27 PM but you have to pay the adamantine price on the spiked gauntlets, spiked ones dont come with armor.
Centauri
11-02-05, 06:33 PM but you have to pay the adamantine price on the spiked gauntlets, spiked ones dont come with armor. I don't even want spiked gauntlets.
MysterYvil
11-02-05, 06:49 PM I wasn't sure if unarmed strike that do lethal damage still provoke attacks of opportunity. Can you show me where that's spelled out?From the PH:

Gauntlet: This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come with gauntlets.

Attacks of Opportunity: Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke attacks of opportunity from other foes nor does it provoke an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe.

Gauntlet, Spiked: Your opponent cannot use a disarm action to disarm you of spiked gauntlets. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. An attack with a spiked gauntlet is considered an armed attack.
Centauri
11-02-05, 06:55 PM From the PH: Thanks.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Centauri 11-02-05, 01:52 PM	If you make a shield bash with an adamantine shield or make an unarmed strike while wearing adamantine armor, are you considered to be attacking with a weapon that is adamatine and bludgeoning for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction?
bondious 11-02-05, 02:44 PM	I'd say "yes", definately, for the Adamantine Shield. If you are simply wearing adamantine armor, though, that doesn't NECESSARILY mean that you have Adamantine gauntlets. I suppose that since some armors (chainmail, full plate, half plate, scale, splint) say they come with gauntlets that you could house rule that an Adamantine-made armor would come with Adamantine gauntlets, and with these gauntlets then I'd say that you would bypass DR as you mentioned above. :)
Centauri 11-02-05, 02:45 PM	I'd say "yes", definately, for the Adamantine Shield. If you are simply wearing adamantine armor, though, that doesn't NECESSARILY mean that you have Adamantine gauntlets. If I'm making an unarmed strike, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm using my fists. Thanks for the response.
bondious 11-02-05, 03:06 PM	If I'm making an unarmed strike, that doesn't necessarily mean I'm using my fists. Thanks for the response. That's right, I forgot about that. Knees, elbows, shoulder-blocks, headbutts...kicks and punches. These all (and possibly more) comprise an "unarmed strike", so it's logical to think that an area of one's body covered with Adamantine used to make that attack would overcome DR. Interesting...I guess you might be correct, then, though I'd like to hear other's opinions on the matter.
MysterYvil 11-02-05, 03:45 PM	As a DM, I'd definitely say yes on the shield. There's little other reason to get an adamantine shield, as it does not grant DR. Also, I'd say yes on the armor, but I'd keep in mind that default unarmed strikes provoke AoOs, and that adding adamantine spikes to gauntlets and/or the armor would add to the cost of the armor separately (as weapons). Don't see that it would unbalance things, or contradict the RAW in either case.
Centauri 11-02-05, 04:00 PM	As a DM, I'd definitely say yes on the shield. There's little other reason to get an adamantine shield, as it does not grant DR. Yeah, the only other reasons I could see would be to keep the shield from being sundered or from rusting. Also, I'd say yes on the armor, but I'd keep in mind that default unarmed strikes provoke AoOs I wasn't sure if unarmed strike that do lethal damage still provoke attacks of opportunity. Can you show me where that's spelled out? and that adding adamantine spikes to gauntlets and/or the armor would add to the cost of the armor separately (as weapons). True. I've heard it said that an adamantine bludgeoning weapon is a must for combat types (for those powerful creatures that have DR/adamantine /bludgeoning or /both, I guess) and I thought it would save some gold if other equipment could serve that purpose.
ShinAkuma2 11-02-05, 04:03 PM	I wasn't sure if unarmed strike that do lethal damage still provoke attacks of opportunity. Can you show me where that's spelled out? Gauntlet: This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come with gauntlets. An unarmed strike, by default, provokes AoOs. Spiked gauntlets, in addition to increasing damage a little, stops you from provoking.
Centauri 11-02-05, 04:18 PM	An unarmed strike, by default, provokes AoOs. Spiked gauntlets, in addition to increasing damage a little, stops you from provoking. Thanks.
Rulebook 11-02-05, 06:27 PM	but you have to pay the adamantine price on the spiked gauntlets, spiked ones dont come with armor.
Centauri 11-02-05, 06:33 PM	but you have to pay the adamantine price on the spiked gauntlets, spiked ones dont come with armor. I don't even want spiked gauntlets.
MysterYvil 11-02-05, 06:49 PM	I wasn't sure if unarmed strike that do lethal damage still provoke attacks of opportunity. Can you show me where that's spelled out?From the PH: Gauntlet: This metal glove lets you deal lethal damage rather than nonlethal damage with unarmed strikes. A strike with a gauntlet is otherwise considered an unarmed attack. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. Medium and heavy armors (except breastplate) come with gauntlets. Attacks of Opportunity: Attacking unarmed provokes an attack of opportunity from the character you attack, provided she is armed. The attack of opportunity comes before your attack. An unarmed attack does not provoke attacks of opportunity from other foes nor does it provoke an attack of opportunity from an unarmed foe. Gauntlet, Spiked: Your opponent cannot use a disarm action to disarm you of spiked gauntlets. The cost and weight given are for a single gauntlet. An attack with a spiked gauntlet is considered an armed attack.
Centauri 11-02-05, 06:55 PM	From the PH: Thanks.