Am I pricing this right? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Am I pricing this right? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Oya971
03-02-07, 08:32 AM hi all,

I'd like for my cleric to be able to cast touch spells from a distance, mainly offensive spells.

So far the only spell I can think of that could do that is spectral hand, a lvl 2 wizard spell. Are there any other spells that would work?

Let's say I choose to make a ring of spectral hand, I've never created magic items so I'm unclear about how to price it.

I think it want the ring to be use-activated so it'd give the following calculation= spell lvl 2 * caster level 3 * 2000gp= 12 000gp

now I'd be fine with 2 uses per day so that'd make 12 000gp divided by 2.5= 4 800gp final price

Am I doing that right?

thx
tarkin
03-02-07, 12:27 PM You might be interested in the metamagic feat: Reach Spell.

Your math looks right to me, for a slotted item, which should be a headband, but the item should be stated out fully.

Merely saying "casts the spell" is 1. not true (magic items do NOT cast spells, they have effects that are similar to but not idential to their pre-reqs.)
2. bad design

I would do it as follows, with some minor modifications from the spell.

Headband of the Incorporeal Bowman

This headband may be activated 2/day. When done so, a portion of your soul is removed from your body, costing you 1d4 hitpoints. It takes the form of small, incorporeal bowman standing on your head. After 3 minutes (or if succesfully dispelled), your soul will return to you, and you regain those hitpoints (but if it was attack/damaged, any hitpoints it lost can not be returned.)

Your soul bowman allows you to make an incorporeal touch attack at upto 100 ft, with a +2 bonus, delivering any spell of 4th level or less. Doing so counts as a regular attack, not a standard action, and can be done as part of casting a spell. The bowman has an AC of 22 + your int modifier, Improved Evasion, and uses your saves.

Moderate Necromancy; CL 3th; Craft Wondrous Item, Spectral Hand; Price 6,000gp;

Note, this item is a little bit better than the original spell, as the bowman always hangs out by you, instead of getting close to other creatures, so I upped the cost from 4800 to 6,000.

(Note, originally I thought the price was 800, have changed it)
risner
03-02-07, 01:15 PM Tarkin, I believe that is absurdly cheap and the OP had 4,800 gp and not 800 gp listed.

I was going to suggest 3/day be double Empower Rods and built using Reach Spell feat:
18,000 gp (0-3rd), 65,000 gp (0-6th), 146,000 gp (0-9th)

For 2/day try this:
12,000 gp (0-3rd), 43,000 gp (0-6th), 97,000 gp (0-9th)
Oya971
03-02-07, 01:18 PM thx Tarkin but the final price I actually came up with is 4800gp not 800gp :)

also why does it have to be a headband, can't it be a ring? I plan for my cleric not to wear it continually so she'd put on the ring before a combat.
risner
03-02-07, 03:41 PM also why does it have to be a headband, can't it be a ring? I plan for my cleric not to wear it continually so she'd put on the ring before a combat.

Assuming it was correctly slot affinity for a Headband, then a Ring would be the same cost.
tarkin
03-02-07, 04:29 PM Headband is the proper slot for "Ranged Attack".

And yes, it can be a ring. I upped the price to 6,000 gp.

Note, Reach spell, even 3/day is in certain ways more powerfull. It does not have the hitpoint loss, and can not be destroyed by a spell/item targetted at it, most of them work for spells higher than 4th level.

But the range would be much greater for mine.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Oya971 03-02-07, 08:32 AM	hi all, I'd like for my cleric to be able to cast touch spells from a distance, mainly offensive spells. So far the only spell I can think of that could do that is spectral hand, a lvl 2 wizard spell. Are there any other spells that would work? Let's say I choose to make a ring of spectral hand, I've never created magic items so I'm unclear about how to price it. I think it want the ring to be use-activated so it'd give the following calculation= spell lvl 2 * caster level 3 * 2000gp= 12 000gp now I'd be fine with 2 uses per day so that'd make 12 000gp divided by 2.5= 4 800gp final price Am I doing that right? thx
tarkin 03-02-07, 12:27 PM	You might be interested in the metamagic feat: Reach Spell. Your math looks right to me, for a slotted item, which should be a headband, but the item should be stated out fully. Merely saying "casts the spell" is 1. not true (magic items do NOT cast spells, they have effects that are similar to but not idential to their pre-reqs.) 2. bad design I would do it as follows, with some minor modifications from the spell. Headband of the Incorporeal Bowman This headband may be activated 2/day. When done so, a portion of your soul is removed from your body, costing you 1d4 hitpoints. It takes the form of small, incorporeal bowman standing on your head. After 3 minutes (or if succesfully dispelled), your soul will return to you, and you regain those hitpoints (but if it was attack/damaged, any hitpoints it lost can not be returned.) Your soul bowman allows you to make an incorporeal touch attack at upto 100 ft, with a +2 bonus, delivering any spell of 4th level or less. Doing so counts as a regular attack, not a standard action, and can be done as part of casting a spell. The bowman has an AC of 22 + your int modifier, Improved Evasion, and uses your saves. Moderate Necromancy; CL 3th; Craft Wondrous Item, Spectral Hand; Price 6,000gp; Note, this item is a little bit better than the original spell, as the bowman always hangs out by you, instead of getting close to other creatures, so I upped the cost from 4800 to 6,000. (Note, originally I thought the price was 800, have changed it)
risner 03-02-07, 01:15 PM	Tarkin, I believe that is absurdly cheap and the OP had 4,800 gp and not 800 gp listed. I was going to suggest 3/day be double Empower Rods and built using Reach Spell feat: 18,000 gp (0-3rd), 65,000 gp (0-6th), 146,000 gp (0-9th) For 2/day try this: 12,000 gp (0-3rd), 43,000 gp (0-6th), 97,000 gp (0-9th)
Oya971 03-02-07, 01:18 PM	thx Tarkin but the final price I actually came up with is 4800gp not 800gp :) also why does it have to be a headband, can't it be a ring? I plan for my cleric not to wear it continually so she'd put on the ring before a combat.
risner 03-02-07, 03:41 PM	also why does it have to be a headband, can't it be a ring? I plan for my cleric not to wear it continually so she'd put on the ring before a combat. Assuming it was correctly slot affinity for a Headband, then a Ring would be the same cost.
tarkin 03-02-07, 04:29 PM	Headband is the proper slot for "Ranged Attack". And yes, it can be a ring. I upped the price to 6,000 gp. Note, Reach spell, even 3/day is in certain ways more powerfull. It does not have the hitpoint loss, and can not be destroyed by a spell/item targetted at it, most of them work for spells higher than 4th level. But the range would be much greater for mine.