an attack of oppurtunity with a grapple move. [Archive] - Wizards Community

an attack of oppurtunity with a grapple move. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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toddwheelerhair
05-13-05, 06:40 PM I was just reading the oppurtunity knocks on the homepage , i guess written by the sage.
i can make a grapple check as an attack of oppurtunity?

a cleric casting a spell next to me provocking an AoO.
i can grapplehim. if i dont have improved grapple dont i provoke as as well from him.
i guess the question is, can i provoke an AoO from somone who is provoking an AoO from me.
mvincent
05-13-05, 07:05 PM can i provoke an AoO from somone who is provoking an AoO from me.Yup, and the AoO's are resolved in reverse order.
toddwheelerhair
05-13-05, 07:15 PM could you tell me your source for info you gave me?
Tsuul
05-13-05, 07:26 PM 3.5 PHB page 137
Tsuul
05-13-05, 07:33 PM The PHB sets up the rule. The 3.5 FAQ clarifies it with the question.
"Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity?"
You can download it here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a)
mvincent
05-13-05, 07:39 PM The PHB sets up the rule. The 3.5 FAQ clarifies it with the question.
"Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity?"
You can download it here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a) Ya beat me to it. Oh well, here is the associated text:

Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an
attack of opportunity? For example, a fighter attempts to
trip a cleric. The cleric chooses to make a sunder attack
against the fighter’s weapon as his attack of opportunity.
Does the sunder attack then provoke an attack of
opportunity from the fighter?

Yes. An attack of opportunity is adjudicated just like any
other attack, and it is subject to the same rules (including
provoking additional attacks of opportunity). This can lead to
odd situations where as the reason for the original action no
longer exists. If this starts to confuse you, just remember that
D&D combat is an abstract representation of battle, and not
necessarily a precise second-by-second representation of every
maneuver. Even the “sequential” nature of D&D combat—I
make my attacks, then you make your attacks, then I make my
attacks, and so forth—is an artificial creation used to keep
combat moving quickly.

Using the example you provide, the fighter is indeed
allowed to make an attack of opportunity against the cleric.
(This attack could, in turn, provoke yet another attack of
opportunity from the cleric, but the cleric could only make such
an attack if he were allowed more than one attack of
opportunity in a single round.)

These attacks are performed in a “Last In, First Out”
sequence. The last attack of opportunity declared is the first one
resolved, with the remaining attacks resolved in reverse order
of their declaration, assuming the character is still capable of
making the attack. If the fighter drops the cleric with his attack
of opportunity, the rest of the attacks in the sequence—
including the cleric’s attack of opportunity and the fighter’s
original trip attack—do not occur. The actions are still “spent,”
however—the fighter doesn’t get to use that original attack on
some other target (although if he has other attacks remaining he
may take them as normal)."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
toddwheelerhair 05-13-05, 06:40 PM	I was just reading the oppurtunity knocks on the homepage , i guess written by the sage. i can make a grapple check as an attack of oppurtunity? a cleric casting a spell next to me provocking an AoO. i can grapplehim. if i dont have improved grapple dont i provoke as as well from him. i guess the question is, can i provoke an AoO from somone who is provoking an AoO from me.
mvincent 05-13-05, 07:05 PM	can i provoke an AoO from somone who is provoking an AoO from me.Yup, and the AoO's are resolved in reverse order.
toddwheelerhair 05-13-05, 07:15 PM	could you tell me your source for info you gave me?
Tsuul 05-13-05, 07:26 PM	3.5 PHB page 137
Tsuul 05-13-05, 07:33 PM	The PHB sets up the rule. The 3.5 FAQ clarifies it with the question. "Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity?" You can download it here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a)
mvincent 05-13-05, 07:39 PM	The PHB sets up the rule. The 3.5 FAQ clarifies it with the question. "Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity?" You can download it here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20030221a) Ya beat me to it. Oh well, here is the associated text: Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity? For example, a fighter attempts to trip a cleric. The cleric chooses to make a sunder attack against the fighter’s weapon as his attack of opportunity. Does the sunder attack then provoke an attack of opportunity from the fighter? Yes. An attack of opportunity is adjudicated just like any other attack, and it is subject to the same rules (including provoking additional attacks of opportunity). This can lead to odd situations where as the reason for the original action no longer exists. If this starts to confuse you, just remember that D&D combat is an abstract representation of battle, and not necessarily a precise second-by-second representation of every maneuver. Even the “sequential” nature of D&D combat—I make my attacks, then you make your attacks, then I make my attacks, and so forth—is an artificial creation used to keep combat moving quickly. Using the example you provide, the fighter is indeed allowed to make an attack of opportunity against the cleric. (This attack could, in turn, provoke yet another attack of opportunity from the cleric, but the cleric could only make such an attack if he were allowed more than one attack of opportunity in a single round.) These attacks are performed in a “Last In, First Out” sequence. The last attack of opportunity declared is the first one resolved, with the remaining attacks resolved in reverse order of their declaration, assuming the character is still capable of making the attack. If the fighter drops the cleric with his attack of opportunity, the rest of the attacks in the sequence— including the cleric’s attack of opportunity and the fighter’s original trip attack—do not occur. The actions are still “spent,” however—the fighter doesn’t get to use that original attack on some other target (although if he has other attacks remaining he may take them as normal)."