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Deviston 01-08-06, 10:49 AM	My Bonded Summoner's Earth Elemental Familer weighs 750 pounds. What would be the battle rules and situational modifiers and such to just . . . lay on someone? I thought it would provoke an AoO for entering square and a -10 to the attack roll for being noproficent in this and dealing 1 point of damage per 25 pounds. Help me out please!
Surreal 01-08-06, 02:42 PM	It would be your standard overrun/trample rules, and would probably do slam damage according to size. You could also look into feats like Awesome Blow or Knockback or Rampaging Bull Rush, which do similar things.
Deviston 01-08-06, 06:02 PM	ok, so a 750 lb human shaped figure landing on someone does slam damage (( usually 1d8 )) but a item , say, a statue in the exact shape and weight would deal more?
Surreal 01-10-06, 04:14 AM	If your elemental jumps from a height and lands on your opponent, then both will take the appropriate falling damage according to weight (although one could make an argument that an earth elemental falling into earth won't actually get hurt). With a slam attack (and the damage is dependant on size), don't forget that it will also be dealing Str damage, which will likely be much higher than the actual slam dice.
Deviston 01-11-06, 07:17 AM	yeah, but im talking . .. ok. what would happen if an inanimate object, sday a statue in the shape of a earth elemental that ways 750 lbs fell on some one. how much damage would that do?
Kraleck 01-11-06, 09:05 AM	I think Earth Elementals should get a Crush attack vs smaller opponents, like a Dragon, except doing so would leave it prone (is that even possible?).
kjenks 01-11-06, 10:10 AM	My Bonded Summoner's Earth Elemental Familer weighs 750 pounds. What would be the battle rules and situational modifiers and such to just . . . lay on someone? I thought it would provoke an AoO for entering square and a -10 to the attack roll for being noproficent in this and dealing 1 point of damage per 25 pounds. Help me out please! Just make a grapple or trip attack.
Keenath 01-11-06, 10:13 AM	From the SRD on Falling Objects: "For each 200 pounds of an object’s weight, the object deals 1d6 points of damage, provided it falls at least 10 feet." If the statue fell from ten feet up, it would deal 3d6 or 4d6, depending on how you round. (I would round up, because the extra 150 is pretty close to being another 200.) In addition, it deals another 1d6 for each extra 10 feet it falls. (If I'm reading it right -- is it meant to say that it deals an extra d6 for each d6 it's already dealing? An 800 lbs rock falling 20 feet deals either 5d6 or 8d6, depending on how you read that...) In any case: If your earth elemental could set up a way to fall 10 feet onto somebody, that's the damage it would deal, just like any other falling object. If you're talking about just leaning over and falling sideways onto somebody, no, no damage -- I guess it's easy enough to hop out of the way, unless the elemental is grappling or something (in which case it's actually dealing slam damage by trying to crush the guy). The DM can take some initiative on this one, though. If you had a big statue falling over, it would be easy enough to define saves and damage for that as if it were a trap -- 2d6 damage with a save DC 10 or 15 for a relatively small (human sized) statue, on up through 8d6 or 10d6 and DC 25 for a truly massive statue/column/other, like those Jackal suckers that almost got Indy in the Well of Souls in Raiders. (Come to think of it, maybe it was the chick that almost got hit. I can't remember.)