Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Aohd 09-08-06, 12:52 AM	What are my options for a reach weapon + sheild?
runestar 09-08-06, 12:54 AM	Think there's a kusari gama somewhere...:confused:
Aohd 09-08-06, 12:58 AM	Think there's a kusari gama somewhere...:confused: I would prefer to stick to non flexible weapons. Seems like there should be some sort of one handed reach weapon spear type weapon.
RavenDrake 09-08-06, 12:59 AM	I thought Kusari-gama was two handed? Though you could run it up the flagpole with a buckler. The only other one-handed reach weapons that I can think of are Lance(only mounted though) and the various Whips: Whip, Whip-dagger(AaEG, Dragon Magazine recently I believe), and Nagaika(MotW, effectively identical to the Whip Dagger, I like its style more).
Nezkrul 09-08-06, 03:23 AM	The chain is a 1handed reach weapon, I believe its in the OA (not spiked chain, just chain)
Killer_DM 09-08-06, 08:25 AM	the whip is a one handed weapon, exotic but one handed.
AkaKageWarrior 09-08-06, 08:35 AM	maybe you try: 2-handed reach weapon + buckler + the feat improved buckler defense* AKW * some still argue that this feat only work when fighting with 2 weapons...
Aohd 09-08-06, 09:19 AM	how long is a longspear?
babysamurai 09-08-06, 09:32 AM	how long is a longspear? Reach weapon/two-handed.
runestar 09-08-06, 09:35 AM	Or perhaps consider taking a feat which gives you reach, such as that deformity feat from Heroes of Horror?(I still don't see why aneroxia is still considered a greater sin than using ravages on your foe though...):P
Aohd 09-08-06, 09:37 AM	Reach weapon/two-handed. Right, but how physicly long compared to an average human?
fatal error 09-08-06, 10:24 AM	Right, but how physicly long compared to an average human? Sort of subject to debate since every D&D weapon is supposed to cover a wide variety of real world weapons. But, I think around 10ft? Maybe less.
Thorak 09-08-06, 10:49 AM	Besides the Kusari-gama in the DMG, there's the Small version of every single regular Reach weapon. A Small longspear will provide reach, and only requires one hand for a Medium character to use.
babysamurai 09-08-06, 10:54 AM	Besides the Kusari-gama in the DMG, there's the Small version of every single regular Reach weapon. A Small longspear will provide reach, and only requires one hand for a Medium character to use. Nice one.
Aohd 09-08-06, 10:54 AM	Sort of subject to debate since every D&D weapon is supposed to cover a wide variety of real world weapons. But, I think around 10ft? Maybe less. Seems to me that a spear in one hand and a shield in the other is common enough through out history that it should be included in the game rules, seems like a weird oversite. The buckler + pole arm thing is a great idea though.
Aohd 09-08-06, 10:57 AM	Nice one. yeah good idea! So I could use a small glaive in one hand and deal 1d8 damage... interesting. this would cost me -2 to hit though... as the weapon would be one size catagory too small... that seems odd... is that true.
Killer_DM 09-08-06, 11:14 AM	yes there is a penalty http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm Inappropriately Sized Weapons A creature can’t make optimum use of a weapon that isn’t properly sized for it. A cumulative -2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn’t proficient with the weapon a -4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
babysamurai 09-08-06, 11:17 AM	yes there is a penalty http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm Yep, -2.
Aohd 09-08-06, 11:18 AM	but isn't there a penalty for using weapons not the correct size for you character? Yep, must find a way around that... master work would help edit scooped twice! The -2 seems like it makes monkey grip more attactive.
Killer_DM 09-08-06, 11:38 AM	Using a small weapon has other draw backs as well. All the other fighters will make fun of you for using "Tiny Girlyman weapons" :D
RavenDrake 09-08-06, 03:12 PM	Actually, as has been pointed out before, in addition to the cumulative size oriented penalties you do not recieve reach when using a reach weapon that is not properly sized for you, regardless of the weapon or it's degree of reach. Weilding a small sized lance, longspear, or other weapon one handed as a medium character will not give you reach.
Aohd 09-08-06, 03:22 PM	Actually, as has been pointed out before, in addition to the cumulative size oriented penalties you do not recieve reach when using a reach weapon that is not properly sized for you, regardless of the weapon or it's degree of reach. Weilding a small sized lance, longspear, or other weapon one handed as a medium character will not give you reach. Can I get a quote From the Srd or other source for that? Becasue I couldn't find it anywhere. Also, It really does not make much sense. I mean if a small character can use it for the same reach that a medium sized character can then it must be the same length I.E. reach. When I think of a small glaive I would think it would be narrower and lighter with a smaller blade, not shorter.
LordPendragon 09-08-06, 03:28 PM	It's true... I believe it's in the section on reach weapons, there is a clause that indicates you only gain reach with "appropriately sized" weapons. It's retarded, since a small Halfling gains reach with a small longspear, but that's the way the rules are. Feel free to convince your DM to rule 0 it; if he has any sense, he will.
Aohd 09-08-06, 03:40 PM	Reach Weapons: Glaives, guisarmes, lances, longspears, ranseurs, spiked chains, and whips are reach weapons. A reach weapon is a melee weapon that allows its wielder to strike at targets that aren’t adjacent to him or her. Most reach double the wielder’s natural reach, meaning that a typical Small or Medium wielder of such a weapon can attack a creature 10 feet away, but not a creature in an adjacent square. A typical Large character wielding a reach weapon of the appropriate size can attack a creature 15 or 20 feet away, but not adjacent creatures or creatures up to 10 feet away. I see nothing that would indicate that the weapon would loose reach. 10ft is 10ft
Raven Dark 09-08-06, 06:54 PM	I've seen the rule before myself I'm afraid. I think it may be in the faq.
Witchcraft 09-08-06, 07:11 PM	Seems to me that a spear in one hand and a shield in the other is common enough through out history that it should be included in the game rules, seems like a weird oversite. I think that those were shortspears, which can be used in one hand.
rironin 09-08-06, 08:05 PM	Can I get a quote From the Srd or other source for that? Becasue I couldn't find it anywhere. Also, It really does not make much sense. I mean if a small character can use it for the same reach that a medium sized character can then it must be the same length I.E. reach. When I think of a small glaive I would think it would be narrower and lighter with a smaller blade, not shorter.From the official FAQ:How do reach weapons work if they are of a different size than the creature wielding them? Say, an ogre wielding a Small or Medium glaive, or a human with the Monkey Grip feat wielding a Large ranseur? What is the reach for each situation? A reach weapon doubles its wielder’s natural reach, but only if the weapon is at least of an appropriate size for the wielder. Wielding a “too-small” reach weapon grants no reach. An ogre (Large) wielding a Medium or smaller reach weapon gains no reach from the weapon, and could thus attack foes either 5 feet or 10 feet distant (as normal for a Large creature wielding a non-reach weapon). A human (Medium) wielding a Large or larger reach weapon could attack a creature 10 feet away (but no further), and could not use the weapon to attack a creature 5 feet away (as normal for a Medium creature wielding a reach weapon). A human wielding a Small reach weapon would gain no reach from the weapon. The Player’s Handbook isn’t as clear on this as it could be, although an example of reach in action on page 113 in the Player’s Handbook provides pretty strong support: “A typical Large character wielding a reach weapon of the appropriate size can attack a creature 15 or 20 feet away . . .” [italics added]. While this reference doesn’t mention the ability to wield a reach weapon larger than the appropriate size, allowing such a weapon to grant reach to its wielder is a reasonable extension of the spirit and intent of the rule.As for the making sense part, I think that it makes sense depending on how you think about it. Consider that a Medium character can use a Small longspear one handed, but perhaps he has to choke up on the haft a bit. This could account for the awkwardness (-2 penalty) and the lack of reach (holding the small longspear in this way makes it more like a medium sized shortspear). The damage would actually be appropriate for a medium shortspear as well.
PhaedrusXY 09-08-06, 08:15 PM	The chain is a 1handed reach weapon, I believe its in the OA (not spiked chain, just chain)It is 2-handed, but can also be used as a double weapon instead of a reach weapon.
Vaalingrade Ashland 09-08-06, 08:24 PM	The designers think hafted weapons are about 8ft long (with the whip being an astounding 20ft long if you thing about the fact that it can still wrap a weapon), so they're physically impossible to couch (hold in the armpit, crook of arm) For balance one handed reach weapons, drop a dice and specify that they do not provide enough maneuverability to us a weapon in your off hand, though you may wield a shield or buckler. Alternatively, a feat for couching that allows the above, but at a -2 to attack is also fair.
Bob Loblaw 09-09-06, 11:16 AM	Right, but how physicly long compared to an average human? Some men are longer than others :D Sorry, I felt a need to do that this morning.
DarknessEternal 09-09-06, 12:51 PM	Shield and Pike style, a feat, let's you use a polearm with reach and a light shield at the same time.