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JiCi
05-11-06, 07:02 PM Has anyone found a weapon, regardless of simple/martial/exotic, light/one-handed/two-handed/double weapon and melee/ranged, that deals slashing, piercing and bludgeoning damage ? Either at the same time or to be decided by the user ?
Mogarth_Warheart
05-11-06, 07:07 PM you could make on
like a hammer axe with a spike on the top
Krug_the_smasher
05-11-06, 07:07 PM Well, In my games, when a PC is using a G-sword, i let him do bludgeoning damage with a -1 attack, and since it already does Sl or Pc it can do Bl too.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
05-11-06, 07:09 PM A scythe with a brick glued to it.
WhiteHarness
05-11-06, 07:15 PM How about this?

http://www.armor.com/pole010.html

All three damage types and totally historically accurate, too.
zlatko
05-11-06, 07:22 PM Bite. All three.
Krug_the_smasher
05-11-06, 07:23 PM How about this?

http://www.armor.com/pole010.html

All three damage types and totally historically accurate, too.

Wow. Looks cool. I'd say 1d10 damage, 2-handed, 10ft reach, and 20/x2 crit. It says it is 5'7" so, considering a spear is only 5" longer, the 10' reach sounds accurate.
Tony Vargas
05-11-06, 07:32 PM There isn't a published weapon that I'm aware of, and, it's probably a design/balance consideration not to have such a weapon.

In fact, D&D often gives a weapon only 1 damage type when it's realistically capable of inflicting two. (Rapiers really could cut, and longswords really could stab, for instance, axes and hammers were often backed with spikes, and so forth).

So even if you dug up an historical weapon like the Bec de Corbin, that has a cutting blade, a spear-point, and a hammer-head, the D&D version would probably still ommit one damage type.
JiCi
05-11-06, 07:42 PM Bite. All three.Well, I didn't speak of any restriction about manucfactured/natural weapons. Guess that one slipped my mind. Very good one.

Any luck with a double weapon yet ?

Guess it would be wise to ask first if Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing), (piercing) and (bludgeoning) stack with each other.
mouse47
05-11-06, 08:07 PM There is a feat (I think in unearthed arcana) that allows use of a halberd as a double weapon and the other side deals bludgeoning damage. I will post when I remember what book it is in.
Tony Vargas
05-11-06, 08:10 PM Guess it would be wise to ask first if Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing), (piercing) and (bludgeoning) stack with each other. They would logically co-exist, but not stack.

For instance, if you were a Halberd specialist, you're using a weapon that does piercing or slashing damage. You could presumably go on to master both piercing and slashing weapons from there.

The Scythe is also a piercing/slashing weapon. If you'd mastered slashing weapons, you'd presumably get your bonuses when using a scythe - to slash. If you also master piercing weapons, you get the bonus with both modes of use.

But that's just what seems reasonable and logical, to me. ;)
Tony Vargas
05-11-06, 08:11 PM There is a feat (I think in unearthed arcana) that allows use of a halberd as a double weapon and the other side deals bludgeoning damage. I will post when I remember what book it is in. Oh, right - Spinning Halberd. Complete Warrior.

There you go, all three in one weapon, albeit, at the cost of a feat.

Also, I have to wonder if a halberd is masterworkable/enchantable as a double weapon...
ShinAkuma2
05-11-06, 08:17 PM It's not a double weapon, regardless of the fact that the feat lets you imitate the use of one.
frasmage
05-11-06, 08:23 PM With feats, a monk can turn their fists into any of the three types of damage. The non-eic feats allow solely for a switch to one type, and the epic ones grant a cool property aswell ( :D VORPAL FISTS! :D )
Snicker
05-11-06, 08:39 PM Versatile Unarmed Strike, from PHB II. You can unarmed attack in any way you want.

Not much for anyone but a monk, but hey.

Have you considered multiple weapons? Two-weapon fighting with a morningstar and a sickle gives you some three-type woopah.

And maybe...Improved Unarmed Strike, a spiked gauntlet on one hand, and a bladed gauntlet (from Sword and Fist) on the other. With improved unarmed strike, anything can be used as an attack, including an elbow. So you have one slashing hand, one piercing hand, and a bludgeoning elbow. Completely ridiculous, but I guarantee you'll be the only guy on the block that does this.
dengarbountyhunter
05-11-06, 08:58 PM I have a weapon in my campaign that can deal all three types of damage, but one at a time:

Cat-o-nine-tails (BTW I know the name is unacurrate)
One-handed exotic weapon
1d4 slashing/piercing/bludgeoning, critical 20/x2
Price: 75 gp Weight: 4 lbs

This weapon is basically a multiheaded flail with blades, weigths and spikes. Each time an attack lands, roll 1d3 to determine which type of damage it deals (1=bludg., 2=slash., 3=pierc.). Because it is whip-like, it grants a +2 bonus on disarm checks (but it is too unwieldy to make trip attacks).

It's not great, it requires a lot of unnecessary rolls, and I only used it once for a NPC cleric of Scahrossar (BoVD). When my players took it, they found it totally useless (whew! no need to make twice as much rolls!).
primemover003
05-11-06, 09:00 PM Take a look at this... it's called the Executioners mace and it does all three types of damage 2d6 x3, martial two handed 75gp

Executioner's mace (http://paizo.com/image/product/catalog/TSR/TSR82135_500.jpeg)
dengarbountyhunter
05-11-06, 09:19 PM hmmm... I know we're talking about D&D (which is a fantasy game for those who didn't notice), but I think the Executioner's Mace STILL looks way too unrealistic.
JBW
05-11-06, 09:32 PM The executioner's mace looks like someone got creative welding scrap metal together... :yuck:
primemover003
05-11-06, 09:47 PM There's a better picture of one in the last issue of dungeon that was more proprotionate...

But the one I linked is being wielded by a god afterall!
ClementWillowbreaker
05-11-06, 09:48 PM Ridiculously overelaborate ninja weapon

Well, it's definitely a weapon of some sort. It consists of four long blades, three wooden poles, six steel chains, and an assortment of spikes. You have absolutely no idea how to use it, but it looks totally badass.

Type: weapon (3-handed ...weapon)
Power: 100
Muscle Required: 35
Selling Price: 120 Meat.

Enchantment:
3x chance of Critical Hit
3x chance of Fumble

Thank god for Kingdom of Loathing to provide...
Grave_Accomplice
05-11-06, 09:55 PM A 3rd party source used something called tinsel mercury. Provided you has the feats (It took two), you could change it to nearly any weapon. While it was based in a fantasy setting, the stuff wasn't magival. No dispelling the shape.

The PrC they developed to go with it had an ability called chimerical weapon. It became an amalgam weapon that did all three types at once.
Bulletproof_Condom
05-11-06, 11:17 PM A 7th-level acolyte of the fist's unarmed strike.
Dahil
05-12-06, 03:06 AM *Surprised no one has mentioned this before*

Take any slashing weapon you like, make a wooden version of it. Generally Ironwood spells or one of the unusual strong-as-steel wood materials is your best bet. Then, slap a Spikes spell on it. Bring the pain. (Try to use the non-nerfed CD version, not the SC one)
Prince Vine
05-12-06, 03:18 AM There was a weapon like that sorta on Buffy once too.
http://www.screencap-paradise.com/caps/albums/Series/Buffy/Buf_S7/Buf_721/endofdays002.jpg
Archangel62
05-12-06, 03:27 AM Actually, just take a weapon style feat out of the complete warrior and the halberd becomes able to deal all three types of damage so I suppose that it would qualify for those purposes as well as granting extra attacks in a round.
Cadfan
05-12-06, 03:43 AM A monk who spends one feat can do all 3 types of damage with an unarmed strike.
woodwalker
05-12-06, 01:48 PM How about this?

http://www.armor.com/pole010.html

All three damage types and totally historically accurate, too.

this could be easily converted from the halberd
Felyndaer
05-12-06, 01:53 PM The best improvised weapon of all....
THE SHOVEL!
Smack with the flat, stab with the point, or slice with the edge!
primemover003
05-12-06, 03:44 PM The best improvised weapon of all....
THE SHOVEL!
Smack with the flat, stab with the point, or slice with the edge!
LOL! I just did that last week! A "miner" in the town we were in pickpocketed me and I vowed that when I found him I'd beat him senseless with my shovel. I even had his "name" engraved on the implement of Justice!
Zathyr
05-12-06, 10:39 PM God gave me a gift. I shovel well.
D3w N1Nj4
05-13-06, 12:09 AM Ridiculously overelaborate ninja weapon

Well, it's definitely a weapon of some sort. It consists of four long blades, three wooden poles, six steel chains, and an assortment of spikes. You have absolutely no idea how to use it, but it looks totally badass.

Type: weapon (3-handed ...weapon)
Power: 100
Muscle Required: 35
Selling Price: 120 Meat.

Enchantment:
3x chance of Critical Hit
3x chance of Fumble

Thank god for Kingdom of Loathing to provide...

Ahhhhh, KOL. Gotta love the Ninja Snowman revamp...
Sledged
05-13-06, 01:06 AM God gave me a gift. I shovel well.Oh, baby. You shovel better than any man I've ever known, but that does not make you a superhero.
Dessirris
05-13-06, 01:11 AM this could be easily converted from the halberd

Yeah, most direct conversion I can see would be lose the ability to make a trip attack, since it's no longer a hook, and add the third damage type.
runestar
05-13-06, 01:44 AM There are these 3 feats in champions of ruin, each of which lets you do an additional 1d6 damage for each subsequent hit beyond the first for slashing/bludgeoning/piercing weapons. If if a weapon which did all 3 damage types exists, having all 3 feats would allow you to deal an extra 3d6 damage per subsequent hit. :eek:

So far, the max I have ever seen is 2 damage types. Sure no weapon exists with 3 of them? :)
Koujow
05-13-06, 02:26 PM In FF7, one of the enemy SOLDIERS use a sword that looks more like a club that comes to a point on the end. Of course, there aren't any stats for it in D&D, but I thought I would throw it out there. :ayyyy!:
shift244
05-13-06, 08:41 PM Actually, I believe this weapon already existed since 3.0... check out the Dwarven Urgosh. Unless it's been changed, I believe it is exactly a hammer-axe ended spear.
Dessirris
05-13-06, 09:18 PM Actually, I believe this weapon already existed since 3.0... check out the Dwarven Urgosh. Unless it's been changed, I believe it is exactly a hammer-axe ended spear.

Nope, Urgosh is an axe/spear, no hammer involved. It's slashing or piercing only.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
JiCi 05-11-06, 07:02 PM	Has anyone found a weapon, regardless of simple/martial/exotic, light/one-handed/two-handed/double weapon and melee/ranged, that deals slashing, piercing and bludgeoning damage ? Either at the same time or to be decided by the user ?
Mogarth_Warheart 05-11-06, 07:07 PM	you could make on like a hammer axe with a spike on the top
Krug_the_smasher 05-11-06, 07:07 PM	Well, In my games, when a PC is using a G-sword, i let him do bludgeoning damage with a -1 attack, and since it already does Sl or Pc it can do Bl too.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 05-11-06, 07:09 PM	A scythe with a brick glued to it.
WhiteHarness 05-11-06, 07:15 PM	How about this? http://www.armor.com/pole010.html All three damage types and totally historically accurate, too.
zlatko 05-11-06, 07:22 PM	Bite. All three.
Krug_the_smasher 05-11-06, 07:23 PM	How about this? http://www.armor.com/pole010.html All three damage types and totally historically accurate, too. Wow. Looks cool. I'd say 1d10 damage, 2-handed, 10ft reach, and 20/x2 crit. It says it is 5'7" so, considering a spear is only 5" longer, the 10' reach sounds accurate.
Tony Vargas 05-11-06, 07:32 PM	There isn't a published weapon that I'm aware of, and, it's probably a design/balance consideration not to have such a weapon. In fact, D&D often gives a weapon only 1 damage type when it's realistically capable of inflicting two. (Rapiers really could cut, and longswords really could stab, for instance, axes and hammers were often backed with spikes, and so forth). So even if you dug up an historical weapon like the Bec de Corbin, that has a cutting blade, a spear-point, and a hammer-head, the D&D version would probably still ommit one damage type.
JiCi 05-11-06, 07:42 PM	Bite. All three.Well, I didn't speak of any restriction about manucfactured/natural weapons. Guess that one slipped my mind. Very good one. Any luck with a double weapon yet ? Guess it would be wise to ask first if Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing), (piercing) and (bludgeoning) stack with each other.
mouse47 05-11-06, 08:07 PM	There is a feat (I think in unearthed arcana) that allows use of a halberd as a double weapon and the other side deals bludgeoning damage. I will post when I remember what book it is in.
Tony Vargas 05-11-06, 08:10 PM	Guess it would be wise to ask first if Melee Weapon Mastery (slashing), (piercing) and (bludgeoning) stack with each other. They would logically co-exist, but not stack. For instance, if you were a Halberd specialist, you're using a weapon that does piercing or slashing damage. You could presumably go on to master both piercing and slashing weapons from there. The Scythe is also a piercing/slashing weapon. If you'd mastered slashing weapons, you'd presumably get your bonuses when using a scythe - to slash. If you also master piercing weapons, you get the bonus with both modes of use. But that's just what seems reasonable and logical, to me. ;)
Tony Vargas 05-11-06, 08:11 PM	There is a feat (I think in unearthed arcana) that allows use of a halberd as a double weapon and the other side deals bludgeoning damage. I will post when I remember what book it is in. Oh, right - Spinning Halberd. Complete Warrior. There you go, all three in one weapon, albeit, at the cost of a feat. Also, I have to wonder if a halberd is masterworkable/enchantable as a double weapon...
ShinAkuma2 05-11-06, 08:17 PM	It's not a double weapon, regardless of the fact that the feat lets you imitate the use of one.
frasmage 05-11-06, 08:23 PM	With feats, a monk can turn their fists into any of the three types of damage. The non-eic feats allow solely for a switch to one type, and the epic ones grant a cool property aswell ( :D VORPAL FISTS! :D )
Snicker 05-11-06, 08:39 PM	Versatile Unarmed Strike, from PHB II. You can unarmed attack in any way you want. Not much for anyone but a monk, but hey. Have you considered multiple weapons? Two-weapon fighting with a morningstar and a sickle gives you some three-type woopah. And maybe...Improved Unarmed Strike, a spiked gauntlet on one hand, and a bladed gauntlet (from Sword and Fist) on the other. With improved unarmed strike, anything can be used as an attack, including an elbow. So you have one slashing hand, one piercing hand, and a bludgeoning elbow. Completely ridiculous, but I guarantee you'll be the only guy on the block that does this.
dengarbountyhunter 05-11-06, 08:58 PM	I have a weapon in my campaign that can deal all three types of damage, but one at a time: Cat-o-nine-tails (BTW I know the name is unacurrate) One-handed exotic weapon 1d4 slashing/piercing/bludgeoning, critical 20/x2 Price: 75 gp Weight: 4 lbs This weapon is basically a multiheaded flail with blades, weigths and spikes. Each time an attack lands, roll 1d3 to determine which type of damage it deals (1=bludg., 2=slash., 3=pierc.). Because it is whip-like, it grants a +2 bonus on disarm checks (but it is too unwieldy to make trip attacks). It's not great, it requires a lot of unnecessary rolls, and I only used it once for a NPC cleric of Scahrossar (BoVD). When my players took it, they found it totally useless (whew! no need to make twice as much rolls!).
primemover003 05-11-06, 09:00 PM	Take a look at this... it's called the Executioners mace and it does all three types of damage 2d6 x3, martial two handed 75gp Executioner's mace (http://paizo.com/image/product/catalog/TSR/TSR82135_500.jpeg)
dengarbountyhunter 05-11-06, 09:19 PM	hmmm... I know we're talking about D&D (which is a fantasy game for those who didn't notice), but I think the Executioner's Mace STILL looks way too unrealistic.
JBW 05-11-06, 09:32 PM	The executioner's mace looks like someone got creative welding scrap metal together... :yuck:
primemover003 05-11-06, 09:47 PM	There's a better picture of one in the last issue of dungeon that was more proprotionate... But the one I linked is being wielded by a god afterall!
ClementWillowbreaker 05-11-06, 09:48 PM	Ridiculously overelaborate ninja weapon Well, it's definitely a weapon of some sort. It consists of four long blades, three wooden poles, six steel chains, and an assortment of spikes. You have absolutely no idea how to use it, but it looks totally badass. Type: weapon (3-handed ...weapon) Power: 100 Muscle Required: 35 Selling Price: 120 Meat. Enchantment: 3x chance of Critical Hit 3x chance of Fumble Thank god for Kingdom of Loathing to provide...
Grave_Accomplice 05-11-06, 09:55 PM	A 3rd party source used something called tinsel mercury. Provided you has the feats (It took two), you could change it to nearly any weapon. While it was based in a fantasy setting, the stuff wasn't magival. No dispelling the shape. The PrC they developed to go with it had an ability called chimerical weapon. It became an amalgam weapon that did all three types at once.
Bulletproof_Condom 05-11-06, 11:17 PM	A 7th-level acolyte of the fist's unarmed strike.
Dahil 05-12-06, 03:06 AM	Surprised no one has mentioned this before Take any slashing weapon you like, make a wooden version of it. Generally Ironwood spells or one of the unusual strong-as-steel wood materials is your best bet. Then, slap a Spikes spell on it. Bring the pain. (Try to use the non-nerfed CD version, not the SC one)
Prince Vine 05-12-06, 03:18 AM	There was a weapon like that sorta on Buffy once too. http://www.screencap-paradise.com/caps/albums/Series/Buffy/Buf_S7/Buf_721/endofdays002.jpg
Archangel62 05-12-06, 03:27 AM	Actually, just take a weapon style feat out of the complete warrior and the halberd becomes able to deal all three types of damage so I suppose that it would qualify for those purposes as well as granting extra attacks in a round.
Cadfan 05-12-06, 03:43 AM	A monk who spends one feat can do all 3 types of damage with an unarmed strike.
woodwalker 05-12-06, 01:48 PM	How about this? http://www.armor.com/pole010.html All three damage types and totally historically accurate, too. this could be easily converted from the halberd
Felyndaer 05-12-06, 01:53 PM	The best improvised weapon of all.... THE SHOVEL! Smack with the flat, stab with the point, or slice with the edge!
primemover003 05-12-06, 03:44 PM	The best improvised weapon of all.... THE SHOVEL! Smack with the flat, stab with the point, or slice with the edge! LOL! I just did that last week! A "miner" in the town we were in pickpocketed me and I vowed that when I found him I'd beat him senseless with my shovel. I even had his "name" engraved on the implement of Justice!
Zathyr 05-12-06, 10:39 PM	God gave me a gift. I shovel well.
D3w N1Nj4 05-13-06, 12:09 AM	Ridiculously overelaborate ninja weapon Well, it's definitely a weapon of some sort. It consists of four long blades, three wooden poles, six steel chains, and an assortment of spikes. You have absolutely no idea how to use it, but it looks totally badass. Type: weapon (3-handed ...weapon) Power: 100 Muscle Required: 35 Selling Price: 120 Meat. Enchantment: 3x chance of Critical Hit 3x chance of Fumble Thank god for Kingdom of Loathing to provide... Ahhhhh, KOL. Gotta love the Ninja Snowman revamp...
Sledged 05-13-06, 01:06 AM	God gave me a gift. I shovel well.Oh, baby. You shovel better than any man I've ever known, but that does not make you a superhero.
Dessirris 05-13-06, 01:11 AM	this could be easily converted from the halberd Yeah, most direct conversion I can see would be lose the ability to make a trip attack, since it's no longer a hook, and add the third damage type.
runestar 05-13-06, 01:44 AM	There are these 3 feats in champions of ruin, each of which lets you do an additional 1d6 damage for each subsequent hit beyond the first for slashing/bludgeoning/piercing weapons. If if a weapon which did all 3 damage types exists, having all 3 feats would allow you to deal an extra 3d6 damage per subsequent hit. :eek: So far, the max I have ever seen is 2 damage types. Sure no weapon exists with 3 of them? :)
Koujow 05-13-06, 02:26 PM	In FF7, one of the enemy SOLDIERS use a sword that looks more like a club that comes to a point on the end. Of course, there aren't any stats for it in D&D, but I thought I would throw it out there. :ayyyy!:
shift244 05-13-06, 08:41 PM	Actually, I believe this weapon already existed since 3.0... check out the Dwarven Urgosh. Unless it's been changed, I believe it is exactly a hammer-axe ended spear.
Dessirris 05-13-06, 09:18 PM	Actually, I believe this weapon already existed since 3.0... check out the Dwarven Urgosh. Unless it's been changed, I believe it is exactly a hammer-axe ended spear. Nope, Urgosh is an axe/spear, no hammer involved. It's slashing or piercing only.