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dragnkpr 11-30-04, 09:08 PM	I'm looking for some interesting weapons that can't be found in the core books. I don't want magic stuff, just cool or unusual weapons. I know of a few, but the stats may be wrong. Zanbato: damage- 2d12 , crit.- 19-20/x4, weight- 500 lbs.(you need at least a 25 Str to wield it), type- slashing/bludgeoning, size- large Scourge: damage- 1d8, crit- 19-20/x2, weight- 8 lbs, type- slashing/piercing, size-small *this weapon has all the special properties of the whip-dagger (Arms and Equipment Guide) including the 15 foot reach If anyone has any other interesting weapons, by all means post them.
WhiteHarness 11-30-04, 09:24 PM	How old are you?
dragnkpr 11-30-04, 09:27 PM	13 why?
Thorak 11-30-04, 10:06 PM	I have no idea why you have the Zanbato weighing 500 pounds, being too big for a human to carry and putting a requirement a human can never reach on it, and giving it incredibly munchkin stats. Even if it's Large, 3d6 20/X4 as an Exotic is about right, without the insane Str requirement which is silly. And I'm not sure you know what a Scourge is; it's a short weapon, with a few lengths of studded or spiked rope or leather. It's got about the same reach a light flail would have.
Unnatural20 12-01-04, 07:00 AM	Master Chief's Rocket Launcher: damage- 1d12 , crit.- 16-20/x4, weight- 500 lbs.(you need at least a 25 Str to wield it), type- missile, size- enormous
Von Helmet 12-01-04, 09:46 AM	How about a frenzied dwarven barbarian launcher that is shoulder mounted. 4d20 dmg!!!!
Avalongod 12-01-04, 10:20 AM	From "Arms and Armor" there is the "Meteor Hammer" which I have learned to like. Only does 1d6, but has 15' reach, can act as a double weapon and has a 19-20 crit range.
WhiteHarness 12-01-04, 10:34 AM	Just for my own amusement, I'm going to try out being an Otaku. Maybe it's lots of fun or something and that's why it's so darn widespread and nearly freakin' ineradicable. Here goes: "d00d! h4v3 u s33n my n3w ub3r-1337 k4t4n4 st4tz? 3y3 think k4t4n4z shu0ld d0 4d10dmg & h4v3 4 crit r4ng3 0f 15-20/x4!!! OMG!!! k4t4n4z pwnz ur 3ur0p34n w3pinz! Br04dsw0rdz r t3h suxx0rz!!! 3v3ry1 kn0wz k4t4n4z wh3r3 f0ld3d lik3 45,000 tim3z & c0uld cut thru bricks!!! its tr00!! i s4w it in my f4v0rite 4nim3!!! J4p4n3z3 S4mur4i w3pinz pwns j00! if u d0nt think s0 t00 u r t3h suxx0rz!!!!!" ..... ..... ..... Nope. I was wrong. Ignorance is not bliss...
Thorak 12-01-04, 10:48 AM	Just for my own amusement, I'm going to try out being an Otaku. Maybe it's lots of fun or something and that's why it's so darn widespread and nearly freakin' ineradicable. Here goes: [leet-speak deleted because it's offensive enough once] ..... ..... ..... Nope. I was wrong. Ignorance is not bliss... Aaagh. My brain. I will never understand why willfully misspelling words as incorrectly as possible is "cool". It's like saying "Look at me! I'm too stupid to know not to jab forks into my eyeballs! *STABBITY*! I'm awesome!"
Draco Strang 12-01-04, 10:50 AM	Just for my own amusement, I'm going to try out being an Otaku. Maybe it's lots of fun or something and that's why it's so darn widespread and nearly freakin' ineradicable. Here goes: "d00d! h4v3 u s33n my n3w ub3r-1337 k4t4n4 st4tz? 3y3 think k4t4n4z shu0ld d0 4d10dmg & h4v3 4 crit r4ng3 0f 15-20/x4!!! OMG!!! k4t4n4z pwnz ur 3ur0p34n w3pinz! Br04dsw0rdz r t3h suxx0rz!!! 3v3ry1 kn0wz k4t4n4z wh3r3 f0ld3d lik3 45,000 tim3z & c0uld cut thru bricks!!! its tr00!! i s4w it in my f4v0rite 4nim3!!! J4p4n3z3 S4mur4i w3pinz pwns j00! if u d0nt think s0 t00 u r t3h suxx0rz!!!!!" ..... ..... ..... Nope. I was wrong. Ignorance is not bliss... Harness, give the kid a f*cking break man. His post was competenty written, grammatically correct, and well-punctuated. Ok, admitted he did have a weapon that requires a 25 str. to weild, but maybe his DM does epic/high powered campaigns? I'm not an anime/munckin fan by any means, but jumping down the throat of every 13 year old poster that watches DBZ isn't going to win you any friends, especially when they're polite.
whitelightsaber 12-01-04, 10:55 AM	a 500 pound weapon? an iron door doesnt weight that much. Heres a weapon i had a dm use on me once Mounted, heavy gatling repeating crossbow. Cost 2500 gp. weight 9 pounds (not really sure about this part) damage 2d8 fires 5 bolts in one round used as a mounted weapon like a hand crossbow on a large/huge sized creature. whitelightsaber
Zilvar 12-01-04, 11:01 AM	I'm not an anime/munckin fan by any means, but jumping down the throat of every 13 year old poster that watches DBZ isn't going to win you any friends, especially when they're polite. Kenshin, more likely. :)
WhiteHarness 12-01-04, 11:05 AM	To be fair, I just went and looked at all the other posts this kid has made on these forums. He's remarkably well-spoken for a 13-year old, and spells better than many people several times his age. Perhaps I misjudged him. Just the same, was my Otaku-impression not spot-on? ;)
ziggy_killroy 12-01-04, 11:11 AM	I dig on packing a variety of hacking and slashing tools. One of my more recent characters used a "Cleaver" based off of the Edgemaster Zweihander from Soul Caliber. "Cleaver" Medium-Sized Exotic Two-Handed Weapon Damage: 1d12 Critical: 19-20 x3 Weight: 30lbs Type- Slashing/Bludgeoning This vaugely sword-like weapon more resembles a flat slab of steel then it does a tool of war. five feat from pommel to point, several inches wide, and nearly an inch thick, it as much crushes an opponent as it slices them. Due to it's incredible size and weight, it requires extensive training to use this weapon properly, those who use it without the appropriate Exotic Weapon Proficiency incur a -6 penalty to attack (instead of the normal -4). Even those who are trained still incur an additional -2 penalty to attack rolls due to it's awkwardness It was fun whipping that beast around. If I had gotten my way, tales of "Clover the Cleaver" would of spread across the country like wild fire. Guess I'll just have to settle for "The Dragon's Nightmare" (long story that )
Osiris Memnoch 12-01-04, 11:56 AM	No name for this one but I used it in a joke-game once. It's two-swords attached to eachother by 4 or 5 feet of chain. One sword in each hand and away you go! d8/d8 dmg; can make trip attacks; +2 on disarm; can make single reach attack; finessable; siza large; exotic weapon I would never use this in a serious game though, just because there's no point in having a double sword or most other double weapons.
Draco Strang 12-01-04, 12:01 PM	To be fair, I just went and looked at all the other posts this kid has made on these forums. He's remarkably well-spoken for a 13-year old, and spells better than many people several times his age. Perhaps I misjudged him. Just the same, was my Otaku-impression not spot-on? ;) Yes, it was pretty much spot on, though most of them wouldn't post to that length. To be fair though...try and give these anime/DBZ kids a chance before you rail them. Some of them ARE pretty intelligent, even if I wouldn't let Goku into my game if the world depended on it.
Unnatural20 12-01-04, 12:42 PM	It's two-swords attached to eachother by 4 or 5 feet of chain. Sword-chucks, yo.
tarkin 12-01-04, 01:20 PM	Nothing beats a Shovel. except a magical, adamantine Shovel.
Draco Strang 12-01-04, 03:08 PM	Nothing beats a Shovel. except a magical, adamantine Shovel. Nuh-UH!!!!!! If you have ever played Fable (grossly overrated...I beat the damn thing in 13 hours, your character gets no dialogue, and it's actually so damn linear it is sickening) then you know that you can find the Frying Pan of Ages, the most powerful weapon in all the land.
BlackFiend 12-01-04, 03:44 PM	Sorry...but nothing beats the crap out of the enemy better than a good ole' Yankee's Baseball Bat. The baseball bat stat card: +5 Human Bane, Undead Bane, Holy, Vorpal, Wounding Baseball Bat of Yankee. The Yankee property allows it to penetrate and DR. You fighting a Red Sox pitcher? No problem. You fighting an umpire? No problem. You got a fight with a city full of undead? Not a problem. You have to fight your way out of hell? Devils and Demons call it "the Slugger!" for a reason! Not a problem! In the hands of the [self]-righteous it acts just like a paladin holding a holy sword. God help the man who has to face a bat wielding fellow chewing bubble gum who says these sacred words: "I'm here to kick butt and chew bubble gum...and I'm all out of chewing gum."
william_reinmar 12-01-04, 04:44 PM	Sorry...but nothing beats the crap out of the enemy better than a good ole' Yankee's Baseball Bat. The baseball bat stat card: +5 Human Bane, Undead Bane, Holy, Vorpal, Wounding Baseball Bat of Yankee. The Yankee property allows it to penetrate and DR. You fighting a Red Sox pitcher? No problem. You fighting an umpire? No problem. You got a fight with a city full of undead? Not a problem. You have to fight your way out of hell? Devils and Demons call it "the Slugger!" for a reason! Not a problem! In the hands of the [self]-righteous it acts just like a paladin holding a holy sword. God help the man who has to face a bat wielding fellow chewing bubble gum who says these sacred words: "I'm here to kick butt and chew bubble gum...and I'm all out of chewing gum." as a red sox fan I find this both HIGHLY hitting over head with said baseball bat angry and hitting over head with said baseball bat hilarious gr8 post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! :) :cheer: :w00t: :dancin: :schemes: :bow: :bow: :rofl: :bounce: :heehee :smirk:
dragnkpr 12-01-04, 04:59 PM	I have no idea why you have the Zanbato weighing 500 pounds, being too big for a human to carry and putting a requirement a human can never reach on it, and giving it incredibly munchkin stats. Even if it's Large, 3d6 20/X4 as an Exotic is about right, without the insane Str requirement which is silly. And I'm not sure you know what a Scourge is; it's a short weapon, with a few lengths of studded or spiked rope or leather. It's got about the same reach a light flail would have. I realize that the Zanbato seems unreasonable. For one thing, I didn't make it up, my cousin found it online somewhere. For another, there's a reason you need the high strength to wield it. You need at least a 22 strength just to pick it up, but then it's nearly the maximum load. A 25 strength is the lowest that can pick it up and still be in medium load. And believe it or not, it actually was a real weapon used in fuedal Japan. It was designed to cut through the horse and rider in one sweep. And yes, it did weigh 500 lbs. It wasn't used much because it weighed so much. Very few people could use it. And as for the scourge, I know it's only a few feet. Real scourges were torture tools, not weapons of war. Once again, I didn't make it up or name it.
Hairfoot 12-01-04, 05:03 PM	Is the tetsubo still around in 3.5? 6-foot metal-studded baseball bat. Tasty. Cheers to Whiteharness for defending readability, and cheers to Draco Strang for defending a post that was merely imperfect. Latinate grammar roxx0rz!
Thorak 12-01-04, 05:25 PM	I realize that the Zanbato seems unreasonable. For one thing, I didn't make it up, my cousin found it online somewhere. For another, there's a reason you need the high strength to wield it. You need at least a 22 strength just to pick it up, but then it's nearly the maximum load. A 25 strength is the lowest that can pick it up and still be in medium load. And believe it or not, it actually was a real weapon used in fuedal Japan. It was designed to cut through the horse and rider in one sweep. And yes, it did weigh 500 lbs. It wasn't used much because it weighed so much. Very few people could use it. Your cousin didn't find anything that even remotely represents reality. A zanbato, the horse-cutting sword, did probably exist, but was hardly ever used because it's too heavy. Not because it weighs 500 pounds or anything ridiculous, because it's slightly bigger than a no-dachi, which is already pushing it a bit. And was often on a bit of a pole for more leverage. It might have weighed, at most, 50 pounds. And even that is really, really pushing the upper end. 50 pounds is huge for a weapon, though, it will tire anyone out very quickly. It pushes the edges of being useable as a weapon, but not the edges of what you can pick up. If it weighed 500 pounds, chances are nobody then could have picked it up. And even if they could have, it would have been too heavy to do anything but drop on someone. Even weightlifters can only lift 500lbs straight up and down; they can't hold it out at all. It would be impossible for anyone, even someone who's spent their life weight-training, to swing something that heavy, so it would never even be made. That's my point. Your friend is assuming anime represents reality. In which case, when you can put your ninja suit on and jump 50 feet straight up, we'll talk again.
Talanall 12-01-04, 05:34 PM	Do keep in mind that the current world record for men's weightlifting (and this is just for the clean-and-jerk) is 492.9 lbs. So while it is (very distantly) possible that a single person could lift a 500 lb. weight, it's profoundly unlikely that any person could do so and still retain enough control of his or her own body to walk reliably, much less use said weight in combat. A weightlifter generally only retains control of a weight as big as this for long enough for the judges of a competition to indicate that it was a valid lift, and then has to expend what control he's got left over in order to push the weight away from himself so it won't injure him as it lands. A quick google indicates that if it was used at all (which is questionable), a Zanbato was wielded by two people. Or more likely, it was a ceremonial weapon. All of this goes to show that you probably should be skeptical of anybody who claims that a hand-held weapon weighs enough to kill most humans if they slip or trip while attempting to wield it, and end up underneath it in the subsequent fall. In other words, you're coming across as more than a touch credulous. This sounds a lot like the accounts which claim that the original example of the kwan dao wielded by General Kwan weighed in at 100-200 lbs. The versions of the weapon which are used in practice by martial artists tend to be more like 5-20 lbs., and I personally have some difficulty believing the upper end of this much lower figure. 100-200 lbs. sounds like the stuff of legends, and probably is.
digoraccoon 12-01-04, 06:07 PM	And believe it or not, it actually was a real weapon used in fuedal Japan. It was designed to cut through the horse and rider in one sweep. And yes, it did weigh 500 lbs. It wasn't used much because it weighed so much. Very few people could use it. I can find several refrences and images of the Zanbato, but it doesn't look like it would weigh 500 pounds. No references to it's weight though. It's huge yes, but I think it would have to be made out of something denser then wood and iron to weigh that much.
Thanatos02 12-01-04, 07:02 PM	At first I figured, from what I remember, that a Zanbatou would probably do ok with Greatsword stats. That is, 2d6 19-20X2. Of course, people actually used Greatswords, as far as I remember, and the Zanbatou was a huge flop. Most people couldn't use it, so I would just make it a Huge Greatsword. You could use it if you had Monkey Grip, but most people wouldn't know to take a feat like that. 50 lbs is probably about right, and you can take that huge Str. stat, and just use it to add +'s to hit and damage. Nothing wrong with that. As for the Scourge, it's probably something like d4 or, if you like, d6. Tends to do subdual without the shards of glass and whatnot, and I'd be willing to bet it adds +2 to disarm. It's Crit range would probably be 18-20X2 to represent how easily it tangles and tears. It's a little better then the Scimitar, if we're going straight-up rules, because it moves down a rank on the damage, holds the crit range, and adds to disarm. Of course, it's Exotic. I tried to think of a cool weapon, but all I remember doing is using a club as a club, albeit on fire.
Alchahest 12-01-04, 07:14 PM	remember that even at 25 str, lifting something is much different from swinging it. You can go back in history all you want, and you'll never find a martial sword heavier than 20 pounds. and that's pushing it. at that weight, a lot of the blade's mass is going to be far away from the handle, which is going to cause it to flop around or snap when you swing it. if you don't sprain and tear your wrists when you try, that is.
WotCWannabe 12-02-04, 03:15 PM	dungeon magazine had a scourge in it once. it was 3 attacks with one swing, each dealing a d3. don't remember crit stuff though
william_reinmar 12-02-04, 04:08 PM	okay all the people who say this and that about welding the zanbato, you are forgetting that ITS A FREAKING GAME, and a fantasy game at that!!! I can find no circumstances that would not allow someone suatable strong enough to weld such weapon!!! remember giants, ogres,(inssert huminoid big monster here) would have no problem matching the str requirment. SO leave the guy alone. YOU :censored: :censored: :censored: now im of to go sulk, :waits: :waits: :waits: P.S. sorry bout the rant :rant: :rant: im sorry :bigeyes: :bigeyes: :blush: :allalone:
william_reinmar 12-02-04, 04:11 PM	GOD I LOVE SMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P :evillaugh :angelhide :bounce: :bounce: :schemes: :devil: :surrender :teach:
wtfpwned 12-02-04, 08:14 PM	I dont really see a problem with this idea, and I kinda like it. Maybe the poster is a fan of other fantasy games such as Morrowind, EQ or Diablo and the such where certain stat requirments to weild certain peices of equipment is a must. Personally, I think it could be balaned...not saying it is in the original post...that someone could build a certain weapon that packs a bit more of a punch then a standard weapon of its size that comes with a hulking str req.
Thanatos02 12-02-04, 09:15 PM	Except that a high str. already grants all kinds of things. Bonus to attack, bonus to damage, high carrying capacity. These are considered the most important aspects of melee combat, more often then not, and making Str. required weapons unbalances the weapons selection. Because Str. is so easy to raise in D&D, a Str. Req. weapon is almost certainly going to be better then a similar, but non-Str. weapon. Sure, it seems like it'd be obvious, but then, there's almost no reason to use any other weapon. It makes more sense to use size as the requisite for weilding weapons, anyhow. Larger then normal weapons require someone bigger, or another feat to use properly. I mean, if you want to make Str. Req. weapons, by all means go ahead, but it just seems pointless to me. Or an excuse for unabashed munchkinism (at least it is once you understand the mechanic principles and try to convince your DM to let you anyway.) ::Shrug::
Thorak 12-02-04, 09:34 PM	The point is, just because there's a strength req doesn't mean it should be more powerful than anything else. If it's a Large two-handed weapon, you can't wield it without Monkey Grip. If it's smaller, it should be comparable to other existing weapons. Meaning no more than 2d6 damage, generally.
TheMightyMcClaw 12-02-04, 09:37 PM	I've created a set of stats for the family of weapons I refer to as "Chinese Hand Blades" or "Wushu Razors." Wushu Razor: Small (Light) Exotic Weapon Piercing or Slashing 1D6 Damage, 18-20/x2 Weight: 1lb Here are some examples of Wushu Razors: Deerhorn Knives: http://www.ultimateforce-mas.co.uk/acatalog/wu3s.JPG Wind and Fire Wheels: http://www.bokleipo.com/catalog/images/wep017.JPG Mandarin Duck Razors: http://www.playwell.co.uk/store/acatalog/0904.jpg Basically, it's a mass of blades used in pairs to cut up the unwary.
Titan Forgesmith 12-02-04, 11:35 PM	I've created a set of stats for the family of weapons I refer to as "Chinese Hand Blades" or "Wushu Razors." . Excellent. From a brief look, I very much like the thought and effort you have put into this. It seems to have much reality basis and logical consistancy. From the illustrations it seems that we must browse the same sites. I am looking forward to taking a serious look at what you have come up with when I have some more time on my hands. There are several weapons in your posting that I have never seen used, such as the wind and fire wheels. I sure hope you have covered meteor hammer too. I am keen to get some insight as to how they are applied in real life. In case you are interested, the mandarin duck razors are also known as rooster knives (Easier to fit on a character sheet). I get the impression that the tonfa is virtually a poor mans version of this weapon and was inspired by it. :)
InkBlot 12-03-04, 12:41 AM	Trap Shield - exotic light melee weapon, 1d2 (20/x2) piercing or bludgeoning, +2 to disarm, 45gp This odd mechanical device has two curved pincers protruding from its face, which are operated by a small lever on its handle. This device grants the same defensive benefits as a normal light shield. With a Trap Buckler you get a +2 bonus on opposed attack rolls made to disarm an opponent (including the roll to avoid being disarmed if such an attempt fails.) If you are fighting defensively and an oppenent misses you in melee combat you may make an immediate disarm attempt against that foe as an attack of opportunity. You can not use this maneuver in a round in which you have used the Trap Buckler to attack. You do not provoke an attack of opportunity for this disarm attempt even if you do not have Improved Disarm. Spring Sword - exotic ranged weapon, 1d6 (19-20/x2) piercing, 20 foot range increment, 410gp A spring sword is a short sword which has been altered to be able to launch its blade via a powerful spring. Unlike most ranged weapons the maximum range of a spring sword is only 5x its range increment. Reloading a spring sword requires two full-round actions and provokes an attack of opportunity. The blade of the sword is not treated as ammunition in any case. Replacement blades cost 20 gp each and only fit the sword they were made for. A spring sword may still be used as a normal short sword (a martial weapon) in melee combat. You can fire, but not reload, a spring sword with one hand. Compared to the throwing weapon enchantment the spring sword requires a feat to use without a -4 penalty, doesn't let you add strength to damage, and takes two rounds to reload. The only advantage is the higher range increment. Flexible Blades - Any weapon that is composed primarily of a blade (such as a long sword or a scimitar) may be made with a flexible blade. A flexible blade deals its normal damage -1. On a roll of a natural one the blade bends past its breaking point and snaps in two. However, a weapon made with a flexible blade grants a +2 competence bonus on slight of hand checks made to conceal it on your body. Weapons with flexible blades are made of springy steel. A weapon made with a flexible blade costs no more than its base weapon. Hollow Weapons - Any light piercing melee weapon may become a hollow weapon. A hollow weapon has a small bladder inside it that can be used to inject poison into your enemy on a successful attack. Once you have successfully pierced and damaged an enemy with the weapon you can choose to inject a dose of poison as a free action. Only one dose of poison can be injected per attack. A hollow weapon can hold up to two doses of a poison. A hollow weapon has only 2/3 as many hit points as it normally would. Although a hollow weapon usually appears to be a normal weapon at first glance, a quick inspection reveals what it is by its weight and sound. A hollow weapon costs 300 gp more than its base weapon. Morning Surprise - simple light melee weapon, 1d8 (20/x2) bludgeoning and piercing, 160 gp Seemingly a normal morning star, this weapon packs a nasty surprise. The head is actually a black-powder bomb. The fuse is a wooden stick coated in special chemicals and fitted tightly into the handle. By rapidly pulling off the handle enough friction is made to ignite the fuse. If you hit and deal damage to a target that has at least one point of shield, armor, or natural armor bonus, the bomb becomes stuck on them and you can use a move action to light it The bomb explodes at the end of your turn, dealing 2d6 fire damage in a 5 foot radius. Anyone caught in the blast may attempt a DC15 reflex save for half damage (yes, even the poor sap with the bomb stuck on him.) On a roll of a natural one the weapon malfunctions and instantly explodes. (bomb stats are on page 145 of the DMG)
Shaftiel 12-03-04, 03:49 AM	Okay, maybe 500 lbs is a bit much, but looking at how all the weapons in D&D weigh at least 50% more than their real-life counterparts anyway I think putting a Zanbato at 80-100 lbs would fit right in. And don't dis l33t. I don't like it much, but used properly it actually has a unique grammatical structure and consistent, sometimes completely unexpected spellings for thousands of words... it's kinda neat. -Shaftiel
Thorak 12-03-04, 06:52 AM	Okay, maybe 500 lbs is a bit much, but looking at how all the weapons in D&D weigh at least 50% more than their real-life counterparts anyway I think putting a Zanbato at 80-100 lbs would fit right in. Except that, at 50% more than the heaviest other swords, it would stack up at 50lbs or less. You have obviously never actually tried to wield a weapon, or you'd understand that even a 4 pound sword is tiring after 30 seconds of swinging. And don't dis l33t. I don't like it much, but used properly it actually has a unique grammatical structure and consistent, sometimes completely unexpected spellings for thousands of words... it's kinda neat. -Shaftiel No, 1337 is an idiotic way for kids to pretend to be "rebels" (while just conforming to a new group) and "hackers" (every actual codebreaker and hacker I know refuses to use 1337 because it's silly and 12 year olds do it). Yes, pretend. Because, in most cases, they're a middle-class suburban kid under the age of 14 who doesn't have the sweetest clue what he's rebelling against, or how to even edit his own computer's registry without frying it, let alone actually hack anything. There's a word for this. It's "poseur". The "unique" grammatical structure is just a dumbed-down English structure, and the "consistent" spellings involve almost entirely replacing letters with numbers, hitting the shift key alternately, or acronyms. It's not special, it's like bragging that you're a bigger moron than the other guy, because you spell even worse.
BlackFiend 12-03-04, 10:27 AM	No, 1337 is an idiotic way for kids to pretend to be "rebels" (while just conforming to a new group) and "hackers" (every actual codebreaker and hacker I know refuses to use 1337 because it's silly and 12 year olds do it). Yes, pretend. Because, in most cases, they're a middle-class suburban kid under the age of 14 who doesn't have the sweetest clue what he's rebelling against, or how to even edit his own computer's registry without frying it, let alone actually hack anything. There's a word for this. It's "poseur". The "unique" grammatical structure is just a dumbed-down English structure, and the "consistent" spellings involve almost entirely replacing letters with numbers, hitting the shift key alternately, or acronyms. It's not special, it's like bragging that you're a bigger moron than the other guy, because you spell even worse. Fatality Bonus...Thorak wins!
shakedown47 12-03-04, 11:19 AM	I've never really understood the argument of allowing ridiculous just because it's a fantasy game. Even in the craziest fantasy world, the people of that world still have to adhere to certain physics. Take Spelljammer, for example. Ships flying around in space. Open decks, and people not dying instantly. Completely unrealistic, but they invented rules to explain how this could happen ("Grubbian Physics") in that particular setting, so it's fine. The characters can breathe and survive on open deck vessels floating through space, but down is still down and black is still really, really dark. If you can explain the physics behind how someone could wield a 500lb weapon in your game world that's great, keeping in mind that such a person could also realistically tear down stone walls with his bear hands or punch through granite columns as thick as a small child. If you really want a picture of what it would be like, think X Men. Sure, Colossus could pick up and swing around a 500lb I-beam or something similar, but I guarantee he would grunt doing it, and even then probably couldn't wield it as an actual hand-held melee weapon. If you can explain it in your world then of course it's a great weapon. I think people on here (myself included) thought that you meant to allow this weapon along with a 9lb greatsword, and we were all a little confused as to why.
Shaftiel 12-03-04, 01:49 PM	Except that, at 50% more than the heaviest other swords, it would stack up at 50lbs or less. You have obviously never actually tried to wield a weapon, or you'd understand that even a 4 pound sword is tiring after 30 seconds of swinging.Yes I have and that's my point. All of the weapons are overweighted by at least 1 lb (which was why I mentioned the 50%, because an extra pound or two makes a huge difference in RL) and core rules already have such amazingly realistic weapons as the 10 lb. spiked chain and the 15 lb double axe... if you go non-core you add the even better 10 lb warmace, 20 lb (one-handed!) maul, and the ever-favorite 17 lb mercurial greatsword. So what exactly is your point? That there is some arbitrary cut off for the idiocy of D&D weapon weights? I certainly haven't seen one - they just get heavier and heavier. An 80 lb sword, with a 25 Str prereq, is no less believable than a D&D spiked chain or 1H maul. In for a penny, in for a pound. And while I disagree with you on l33t, you did get me with a fatality there. -Shaftiel
dragnkpr 12-03-04, 06:12 PM	The sword may have taken two people to use, it may have been mounted on a pole. Looking up some info, both of these seem true. I didn't find any mention of weight, but two strong people could have used it akwardly if it were 400 lbs. As far as the strength requirement goes, if you can just barely carry it you probably wouldn't be able to wield it. Most DMs would never allow such a weapon and that's fine. Seeing it in actual game use, it causes huge game problems. It hasn't been used in a game that I was the DM though. DM it however you want to, if at all. If you think it should be closer to a glaive in shape, that's fine. If you think it should only do 3d6 damage, go ahead. If you think it should only weigh 50 lbs, do it. Basically if you don't like the weapon don't use it. Oh and the dragon version of scourge seems much more acurate, I probably got the name wrong. So to make you happy, here is a revised Zanbto. Zanbato(revised)- exotic melee weapon damage-3d6, crit 19-20 x4, weight 45lbs., size- large, type- slashing This large unwieldy weapon is meant to cut a horse and rider in one attack. It requires two people to use, both must have the proficiency feat. As a full round action it may be set against a charge, but only against a mounted enemy. It deals triple damage on a succesful attack when used in this way. As for the old one, make the size huge or just scrap it.
TyraaloftheFist 12-05-04, 01:10 PM	No name for this one but I used it in a joke-game once. It's two-swords attached to eachother by 4 or 5 feet of chain. One sword in each hand and away you go! d8/d8 dmg; can make trip attacks; +2 on disarm; can make single reach attack; finessable; siza large; exotic weapon I would never use this in a serious game though, just because there's no point in having a double sword or most other double weapons. ...sword-chucks? 8-bit theater rules!
Jubei_the_Samurai 12-28-04, 07:06 PM	Just for my own amusement, I'm going to try out being an Otaku. Maybe it's lots of fun or something and that's why it's so darn widespread and nearly freakin' ineradicable. Here goes: "d00d! h4v3 u s33n my n3w ub3r-1337 k4t4n4 st4tz? 3y3 think k4t4n4z shu0ld d0 4d10dmg & h4v3 4 crit r4ng3 0f 15-20/x4!!! OMG!!! k4t4n4z pwnz ur 3ur0p34n w3pinz! Br04dsw0rdz r t3h suxx0rz!!! 3v3ry1 kn0wz k4t4n4z wh3r3 f0ld3d lik3 45,000 tim3z & c0uld cut thru bricks!!! its tr00!! i s4w it in my f4v0rite 4nim3!!! J4p4n3z3 S4mur4i w3pinz pwns j00! if u d0nt think s0 t00 u r t3h suxx0rz!!!!!" ..... ..... ..... Nope. I was wrong. Ignorance is not bliss... I agree with Draco Strang on this, first of all, that is 1337, or however it is done. First of all, no DnD player would ever in their right mind say any of that stuff. While they probably wouldn't know a katana can only be folded thirty times at best, your inclusion of it is pure annoyance. Your interpretation of 1337-ing about samurai is; being one who is a samurai in most campaigns, has done extensive study, and practices the forms of the sword; entirely inappropriate. So the boy watches Rurouni Kenshin, do you expect him to know that Kenshin is a samurai by no means? Not when the announcer for many commercials is calling him a samurai. No DnD player would ever give the katana 4d10, not even an obssessed fanboy. If you are looking for people to bash for liking Rurouni Kenshin, go to the Oriental Edition Board. Perhaps they kicked you out. 1337 is no more a stereotype then saying everyone who writes with a dark and brooding style is a goth or suicidal. 1337 by any case should be considered an art-form, no n00b would ever take time to do it, and imitating a stereotype is never a safe bet to get people to have a laugh at something that you find hilarious. 1337 takes longer, but, if done because of a boredom or free-time, it really isn't a signal for a secret language, nor an idiotic rambling, it's self-expression, if you won't spend the time to acknowledge that someone spent time doing something unique, then you obviously don't need to comment on it. Horrible misspelling and grammatical errors are the signs of a n00b, or, by your misnomer, an Otaku. Dude, get a life, go outside, do something to channel your childish rage besides attacking someone. Go paint a picture or something, no one cares about your intolerance. On-Topic: I concur, the Zanbatou is too heavy, and does not have very good stats, but it is an idea that you should think about. FYI, a real Zanbatou is...perhaps a very very very long blade similar to that of a katana on a long hilt (tsukagashira) without the handguard (tsuba). If you want to make up feats, my idea would be one that allows a person to smash the ground when bringing a long weapon with both slashing and bludgeoning potential, over head, it would provoke an attack of oppurtunity and do a multiple of damage more then just swinging a long weapon around. For the Zanbatou, you could also make it so that it must be readjusted or the wielder must rest after swinging it.
Jubei_the_Samurai 12-28-04, 07:29 PM	Except that, at 50% more than the heaviest other swords, it would stack up at 50lbs or less. You have obviously never actually tried to wield a weapon, or you'd understand that even a 4 pound sword is tiring after 30 seconds of swinging. No, 1337 is an idiotic way for kids to pretend to be "rebels" (while just conforming to a new group) and "hackers" (every actual codebreaker and hacker I know refuses to use 1337 because it's silly and 12 year olds do it). Yes, pretend. Because, in most cases, they're a middle-class suburban kid under the age of 14 who doesn't have the sweetest clue what he's rebelling against, or how to even edit his own computer's registry without frying it, let alone actually hack anything. There's a word for this. It's "poseur". The "unique" grammatical structure is just a dumbed-down English structure, and the "consistent" spellings involve almost entirely replacing letters with numbers, hitting the shift key alternately, or acronyms. It's not special, it's like bragging that you're a bigger moron than the other guy, because you spell even worse. I stated many things in my last post, but that was because it was so horrible that I didn't have the patience to read anything else without answering it. So you know hackers and codebreakers? That's good info, provided I were part of some government organization, I could probably gain data and issue an arrest warrant, or something to that effect, but as I have no reason to lie, I am not. So you have something against suburbs? Or the middle class? Perhaps even pre-teens.... Do you actually realize that you're bringing up a pointless argument? The kid did not use 1337, Whiteharness did. Sure, some kids thought they were rebeling, but hey, that was back in the day. Now kids think it is an art form, and you can't say that it isn't, it's an expression, as above stated. The Odachi is longer then the Nodachi, by alot, so a zanbatou would have to be even longer. Poseur? Are you trying to be a British "Poseur"? Or are you just trying to sound sauvy? You really have issues against people. Actually, I picture every kid who spends an overly amount of time online has the chance to come in contact, or at the most use it. 1337 rebellion never happened. People who could crush coal into diamonds using only their cheeks, not the ones at the corner of the mouth, had a problem with it. With all of the differences in having to learn to understand a person meant "what" by using "Wut", "Wat", and in the rare case "whot", I'm sure all those who write as I do, but have intolerance and the inability to "decode" what other people write started this whole fiasco. Are you going to say white kids who listen to rap are candidates for learning and using 1337 profficiently, as well? Why can't we all just learn to shut up and deal with other's creative differences without typing or saying a word? While that seems like a hypocritical wish, keep in mind, religious wars were fought, even when the religion promoted peace and loving thine enemy. Some causes require people to be hypocritical, otherwise, no one has any incentive or incline to assist.
Billum 12-29-04, 05:54 AM	Wolf Teeth Club The Wolf Teeth Club plays effectively on the role of intimidation in battle. Few weapons can claim to be as fearsome as the Wolf Teeth Club and justifiably so. On the butt end is a spiked counter weight designed enhanced utility and speed. The club head itself is made of hollow black plated steel and bristling with ferocious spikes. Approximately 75” long/5 lbs. I would guess a price range of 250gp to 350gp ExoticTwo Handed Melee Weapon Dealing 1d12 of bludgeoning/piercing damage crit 20x2 Weight 5 lbs. http://www.wle.com/media/W075.jpg Shuko Worn on the palms and used as a weapon and a tool. In the picture is a hand forged iron shuko made by a Japanese maker. Although it was made in recent years it is fundamentaly similar to those used before the modern period. Cost 10gp to 20gp Exotic melee weapon Deals 1d6 of piercing damage crit 20x2 2lbs. http://www.ninpo.org/picturearchive/weapons/shuko1.gif
Xiren 12-29-04, 08:22 AM	I got one for ya... My friend has a half-orc. I watched him throw 3-6s and with the +2 in STR for him, his strength is now 20. He wanted the weapon from Last of the Mohicans. It is about 4 feet long, weight, think we decided on 20lbs or so. The weapon has a 45 degree bend in it, with a blade on the backside, blunt on the inside, with the bend, and a spike/dagger blade on the back where it bends. Using some other weapons as a jumping off point, The edge is 1d12, blunt end is 1d10, and the spike end is 2d4. All crits are a 20 with x4. If he hits a creature smaller than him, it automatically knocks them back 1d10 feet. If it is a medium creature, on a d100, 51 or higher knocks them back 1d6 feet. If large, an opposed STR check is made. If successful, it stuns for 1d6 rounds.
ConcordDawn 12-29-04, 09:44 PM	Incidia of Iniquity - Exotic One-Handed Melee Weapon - 1d8+2 (20 x2), +3 vs. Good - Unknown Price (Always made out of gathered materials and merchants will refuse to buy it) http://img133.exs.cx/img133/6763/ddsword23jp.gif This sword is the mark of a secretive, Nerull-worshipping cult called the Acolytes of Iniquity. It can only be created by a prospective Acolyte initiate through a special quest. The subject must gather five components- a basic iron blade crafted by an evil dwarf smith who lives in a secret cave high in the mountains of the frozen North, a strip of hide from an elusive and deadly runehound, three round gems from a hidden underwater cave deep in the sahuagin territories, a crystal shard from a plateau high in the dark hills of the evil Plaguesmoor, and finally the two eyes of the most noble of creatures, a unicorn. The student must bring these parts to the central fortress of the Acolytes of Iniquity and have their chief weaponsmith assemble them into the Incidia. During the process, one of the unicorn eyes is kept at the fortress and treated with powerful magic. The two eyes are then telepathically linked so that a mage at the fortress can communicate telepathically with anyone holding the sword, and vice versa. The weapon also does extra damage against any good-aligned creatures, which Acolytes often have to slay during assassinations and other missions for their cult.
trapspringer 12-30-04, 01:14 AM	It was real, it was big, and it didn't work. It was also on the hippy-version of that anime show... with the 'man-slayer.' Back on topic, the kusari-gami is a core weapon representing a kama on a chain. I say core, because it is in the DMG. It is basically a half-sized spiked chain.
Soulmage 12-30-04, 12:17 PM	Here's a weapon idea I stole and modified from somebody who posted it on these forums as a contest entry. Unfortunately, I have no idea who it was. But here's the weapon: Gear Thrower: This crossbow-like weapon is made of clockwork parts. When fired, it launches a spinning gear towards the target using a tightly wound torsion spring. Reloading a gear thrower is a move action. A gear thrower can fire 10 times before the torsion spring is completely unwound. An unwound gear thrower can be re-wound as a full-round action. Gears: These sharp-toothed metal gears are sold in rolls of 10 for 5 gp. A roll of gears weighs 1 pound. Gear Thrower 300gp 1d12 (medium) 19-20/x2 80 feet Slashing 10 lbs Gear Thrower, Repeating: The repeating gear thrower holds a roll of 10 gears in a steel magazine. It automatically loads a new gear as the previous one is fired. Inserting a new magazine of gears is a full-round action. A repeating gear thrower must also be re-wound every 10 shots. Typically this means that it will discharge a full magazine of gears and then the user must spend two full rounds reloading and rewinding the weapon. Gear Thrower, Repeating 500gp 1d12 (medium) 19-20/x2 100 feet Slashing 12 lbs.
dragnkpr 12-30-04, 02:38 PM	I talked to my cousin who gave me the Zanbatou stats. Turns out, the original size was in fact huge, but a medium size creature who meets the strength requirement and has the proficiency feat can use it at a -4. He also said it was a minor artifact because of the rarity, but that mostly depends on your campaign setting. Also, having recently gotten complete warrior, I found out the scourge is listed in there. It does not have a fifteen foot reach.
WhiteHarness 12-31-04, 10:01 AM	Struck a sore spot did I, Jubei-chan? ;) Are you ethnically Japanese or just another American fanboy who has rejected his own culture for someone else's? 1337 an art form? Please! And yes, there *are* D&D players out there who would indeed set the katana's damage at something stupid like 4d10. Somewhere on this board there is a thread in which a fellow relates his experience with one such in a D&D Modern campaign. It seems this guy thought his kat should be able to cut through tank armour with no problems. When told "no" by his DM, the guy whined: "But...but it's a *katana*!" as if this should entitle him to live out his little otaku fantasy at the expense of realism. People, enchanted by the "mystique" of things Eastern, seem prepared to believe anything bad about Western Martial Arts and weapons, and are often comically credulous when it comes to claims of reality-defying feats by Eastern Martial Artists and/or their toys. The vitriol in my post reflects my distaste for this phenomenon, and I lament that, in the wake of such imported insipidity as Dragon Ball Z, Kenshin, InuYasha, and others, the number of these idiots I run into at my FLGS has skyrocketed.
dragnkpr 01-02-05, 01:24 PM	To be honest, I don't see how any one could think a katana could cut through tank armor. They really aren't as superior as everybody thinks. European did not have as sharp blades because of two main reasons: sharper blades get dull very quickly when constantly used against heavy armor. Chain mail armor was made specifically to deflect cutting edges, so swords were made duller and heavier to break the bones beneath, thus plate mail was born. Second, not as many people could afford to buy expensive well made swords, so cheaper swords sold better. That's not to say that you couldn't get swords as good as katanas in europe, they were just less common. The katana was generally made sharp for two main reasons as well: There was less iron in japan, so it was better for a smith to make a good sword with what he had. Also, the cutting edge was useful against the light armor common at the time. A quick internet search shows that katanas would quickly dull when used against heavier armor. In truth, a well trained European knight could probably beat a well trained Japanes samurai if it just comes down to equipment. The samurai wears very little or wooden armor, so one good shot can cripple him. The european knight wears heavy armor, difficult to cut through. Underneath and in unprotected areas he wears chain mail, made to deflect cutting edges. The best way to attack for the samurai would be a thrust to the neck, but katanas aren't made to thrust (although it can still be done), and such an attack is easily blocked with the knight's shield. The knight doesn't need to penetrate the samurai's armor, his blunt sword is made to break the bones beneath the armor. While the samurai has to penetrate the knight's armor, all the knight needs to do is land one good shot, and sorry but those superhuman jumps you see in the movies are completely unrealistic. Such a fight is weighed heavily in the knight's favor.
Aeolus91 01-02-05, 05:30 PM	(every actual codebreaker and hacker I know refuses to use 1337 because it's silly and 12 year olds do it). Yeah.... I bet you know LOTS of HACKERS... :rolleyes: And to everyone who opposes 1337, I'm 13, and it's fun.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 01-02-05, 11:07 PM	Yeah.... I bet you know LOTS of HACKERS... :rolleyes: And to everyone who opposes 1337, I'm 13, and it's fun. So shut up, 4ssh013s. Masking is against the Code of Conduct.
Aeolus91 01-03-05, 11:21 AM	4r3 y00 f0r r341? W0w, th4t's g0nn4 SUCK f0r m3 if s0m3on3 r3p0rts it...
Aeolus91 01-03-05, 11:23 AM	n0t n0w b3c4use I d3l3t3d it.