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claypigeons 04-07-06, 04:57 PM	I have a question: If you are grappled by an opponent, they provoke an AoO, that's easy. But what if you arent carrying a weapon and dont have the improved unarmed strike feat? Your AoO would provoke an AoO itself. How is this handled? Is this written anywhere?
Zherog 04-07-06, 05:15 PM	They resolve in reverse order. Using your example, your target would get to make their AoO first. You would then get to punch your opponent (assuming you're still capable); your opponent would then, finally, get to grapple you (again, assuming he's still capable).
DaMullet 04-07-06, 05:24 PM	And, if for your AoO your opponent (who for this example has Combat Reflexes) decided to punch you, provoking, you (who also have CR) punch him back. This order: He resolves an AoO for you punching him. Then you resolve with your punch. Then, he punches you, then you punch him. Then he grapples you. Unless I miscounted the AoOs, in which case add something else into that. But I don;t think I did.
claypigeons 04-07-06, 05:31 PM	They resolve in reverse order. Using your example, your target would get to make their AoO first. You would then get to punch your opponent (assuming you're still capable); your opponent would then, finally, get to grapple you (again, assuming he's still capable). So each person gets an AoO, starting with the grappler, and then the grappler gets to..well..grapple? This all stems from a misunderstanding that happened long ago. My DM told me that if your AoO provokes an AoO itself, then you cant make it. :(
Zherog 04-07-06, 05:40 PM	Your DM was either incorrect or using a house rule (knowingly or not). This is from the FAQ. It's on page 35 of the version dated January 26th. Is it possible for an attack of opportunity to provoke an attack of opportunity? For example, a fighter attempts to trip a cleric. The cleric chooses to make a sunder attack against the fighter’s weapon as his attack of opportunity. Does the sunder attack then provoke an attack of opportunity from the fighter? Yes. An attack of opportunity is adjudicated just like any other attack, and it is subject to the same rules (including provoking additional attacks of opportunity). This can lead to odd situations where as the reason for the original action no longer exists. If this starts to confuse you, just remember that D&D combat is an abstract representation of battle, and not necessarily a precise second-by-second representation of every maneuver. Even the “sequential” nature of D&D combat—I make my attacks, then you make your attacks, then I make my attacks, and so forth—is an artificial creation used to keep combat moving quickly. Using the example you provide, the fighter is indeed allowed to make an attack of opportunity against the cleric. (This attack could, in turn, provoke yet another attack of opportunity from the cleric, but the cleric could make such an attack only if he were allowed more than one attack of opportunity in a single round.) These attacks are performed in a “Last In, First Out” sequence. The last attack of opportunity declared is the first one resolved, with the remaining attacks resolved in reverse order of their declaration, assuming the character can still make the attack. If the fighter drops the cleric with his attack of opportunity, the rest of the attacks in the sequence—including the cleric’s attack of opportunity and the fighter’s original trip attack—do not occur. The actions are still “spent,” however— the fighter doesn’t get to use that original attack on some other target (although if he has other attacks remaining he may take them as normal). Hope that helps.
claypigeons 04-07-06, 05:58 PM	~Snip~ Hope that helps. That helps A LOT. Thankyou very much! :cool:
meatrace 04-07-06, 06:02 PM	ok, assuming person A attempts to grapple person B. A doesn't have improved grapple, so he provokes an attack of opportunity. B isn't carrying a weapon if B doesn't have improved unarmed strike he cannot make an AoO with his unarmed strike and therefore doesn't provoke an AoO from A. if he does, then he doesn't provoke one anyway. unarmed strikes only provoke AoA from a character that is 1)armed 2)has improved unarmed strike (and is therefore armed). hope this clears things up.
King_Bulba 04-07-06, 06:19 PM	Example of AoO provoking an AoO Well you threaten by holding a weapon. Then when the other guy tries to grapple, you get an AoO in which you try to trip him so you provoke an AoO.
Dench 04-07-06, 09:32 PM	I have a question: If you are grappled by an opponent, they provoke an AoO, that's easy. But what if you arent carrying a weapon and dont have the improved unarmed strike feat? Your AoO would provoke an AoO itself. How is this handled? Is this written anywhere? If you don't have Improved Unarmed Strike you cannot make an AoO against an opponent that tries to grapple you, even if the opponent doesn't have Improved Grapple. You make an AoO only if you are considered armed (i.e. sword in hand, improved unarmed strike, natural attack). Enjoy.