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shiruken_ravenheart
12-02-05, 10:39 PM In a recent game I came into possesion of a dagger and a ring (Don't ask how, it involves a psycho ranger, and a gnomish artificer fighting a Lich!).

After appropriate means of checking (I stuck it on my finger and found I could not breathe), I discoverd that the ring was a Ring of Aqua (Basicly a waterbreathing spell). I also recived a Dagger of Aqua, and the dm said that it would make anything it cut, have the waterbreathing spell.

Now is it just me or does this sound a little crazy. Here is a scenario:

Hello lvl. 20 BBEG, oops did I just cut you? Oh I am sorry that we are 400 miles inland and there is no water near. Dead BBEG.

Now are there actualy rules for this, or is my dm just a psycho?

-Shiruken
masterofmayhem
12-02-05, 11:15 PM First off, the Waterbreathing spell does not make you inable to breathe air. It does not give you nonmagical gills, it simply allows you to (magicall) breathe water.

But, no, these items do not exist (as far as I know). They are custom-made items created by the DM, and do not actually properly follow the rules for item creation.

That said, I think that they are a wonderful idea. I personally love the idea of creating items that do things other than the typical magical effects of 3.5 D&D. However, your DM has gone about this rather improperly. First of all, the ring and dagger should replace lungs with gills, rather than granting the [magical] effect of waterbreathing, since, as I said before, this does not inhibit the breathing of air. Also, anyone cut by this "dagger of aqua" should get a fortitude save to resist having their lungs turned to gills. 10 + spell level + relevant ability modifier would be appropriate. 13 would be a fair DC, since a spell that replaces your lungs with gills would likely be a lower level than waterbreathing.

If your DM allows this dagger to basically insta-kill anything, that is a mistake, and a big one. Even allowing that creatures with gills can generally survive out of water for one hour per point of constitution (from what I have seen of most of the aquatic creatures' entries), it is still too powerful without a save. And if this is a permanent and irreversible effect, it is even worse.

Make sure your DM allows a save.
shiruken_ravenheart
12-03-05, 10:21 AM Yea I will have to mention that to him.

-Shiruken

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shiruken_ravenheart 12-02-05, 10:39 PM	In a recent game I came into possesion of a dagger and a ring (Don't ask how, it involves a psycho ranger, and a gnomish artificer fighting a Lich!). After appropriate means of checking (I stuck it on my finger and found I could not breathe), I discoverd that the ring was a Ring of Aqua (Basicly a waterbreathing spell). I also recived a Dagger of Aqua, and the dm said that it would make anything it cut, have the waterbreathing spell. Now is it just me or does this sound a little crazy. Here is a scenario: Hello lvl. 20 BBEG, oops did I just cut you? Oh I am sorry that we are 400 miles inland and there is no water near. Dead BBEG. Now are there actualy rules for this, or is my dm just a psycho? -Shiruken
masterofmayhem 12-02-05, 11:15 PM	First off, the Waterbreathing spell does not make you inable to breathe air. It does not give you nonmagical gills, it simply allows you to (magicall) breathe water. But, no, these items do not exist (as far as I know). They are custom-made items created by the DM, and do not actually properly follow the rules for item creation. That said, I think that they are a wonderful idea. I personally love the idea of creating items that do things other than the typical magical effects of 3.5 D&D. However, your DM has gone about this rather improperly. First of all, the ring and dagger should replace lungs with gills, rather than granting the [magical] effect of waterbreathing, since, as I said before, this does not inhibit the breathing of air. Also, anyone cut by this "dagger of aqua" should get a fortitude save to resist having their lungs turned to gills. 10 + spell level + relevant ability modifier would be appropriate. 13 would be a fair DC, since a spell that replaces your lungs with gills would likely be a lower level than waterbreathing. If your DM allows this dagger to basically insta-kill anything, that is a mistake, and a big one. Even allowing that creatures with gills can generally survive out of water for one hour per point of constitution (from what I have seen of most of the aquatic creatures' entries), it is still too powerful without a save. And if this is a permanent and irreversible effect, it is even worse. Make sure your DM allows a save.
shiruken_ravenheart 12-03-05, 10:21 AM	Yea I will have to mention that to him. -Shiruken