Armors vs sleep [Archive] - Wizards Community

Armors vs sleep [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Silvermoon
04-29-05, 10:34 AM Hello Fellow adventurers,

I don't know if I can play with the words, but I would like to know something. I the player's handbook, it's said "

" A character who sleeps in medium or heavy armor is automatically fatigued the next day. He or she takes a -2 penalty on Strength and Dexterity and can't charge or run. Sleeping in light armor does not cause fatigue."

I'm an elan (psionic race) and it said in the expanded Psionic handbook :

"Elans do not sleep as members of the most other races do. Instead, an elan meditates in a deep trance for 4 hours a day. An elan resting in this fashion gains the same benefit that a human does from 8 hours of sleep."

My question is, do my character become fatigue if he meditates in Half-plate?

Thanks

Silvermoon
SALDAR
04-29-05, 11:53 AM Yes. Meditating for an elan (or elf) is the same as sleeping for a human. If sleeping in medium or heavy armor causes fatigue then meditating in such also carries the stated penalties.
mvincent
04-29-05, 06:53 PM Yes. Meditating for an elan (or elf) is the same as sleeping for a human. If sleeping in medium or heavy armor causes fatigue then meditating in such also carries the stated penalties.While I might well rule this way in my own game, I do not see this supported by RAW.

In this case, I believe the issue isn't about "sleep", but rather "resting" (if that is how their ability is described in the book).

If the DM allows "resting" in armor, then this might be an option. However, the "resting" in armor issue has been debated before. Ultimately, it is a DM's call.
SALDAR
04-30-05, 09:52 PM In this case, I believe the issue isn't about "sleep", but rather "resting" (if that is how their ability is described in the book).

So a human that is sleeping is not resting?

Humans sleep to refresh their bodies. Elans and elves meditate to refresh their bodies. Different mechanics (sleep vs meditation), same results (rest). A human that sleeps in medium or heavy armor is fatigued because he did not refresh his body do to uncomfortable conditions that did not allow him to rest. Elans and elves would suffer the same effect, fatigue, for the same reason.
No-man
04-30-05, 10:00 PM There's several other threads about this.

Resting is resting. Med/Hvy armor keeps you from being comfortable enough to get the rest you require to be well rested the next day; whether you're sleeping or meditating, it interferes with what would be the normal situation for you.

Carry a Chain Shirt along with you to sleep in. Done.
White_Fox
04-30-05, 10:32 PM So a human that is sleeping is not resting?

Actually, I think Mvincents point was more that 'while sleeping may be resting, resting is not necessarily sleeping'. Though, I should point out that I agree with you. If something is too uncomfortable to sleep in, it's most likely too uncomfortable for 'resting' or meditation.
mvincent
05-01-05, 01:56 AM Resting is resting. While I don't think anyone has argued against that, I am stating that (per the D&D rules) resting is a different term than sleeping. The armor rules only address sleeping in armor. It would be up to the DM how he wishes to treat armor in regard to resting.
No-man
05-01-05, 08:05 AM Geez. You're splitting hairs. Check for the other threads for full discussion.

You need to rest overnight, whether you sleep or meditate. If you sleep or meditate in M/H armor, you're not going to be in top condition the next day.
Vahenir
05-01-05, 08:35 AM mvincent is actually quite correct.

While the most common (and perhaps the correct) interpretation of the rules is that resting/meditating/trance and Sleeping are, essentially, the same thing, that's not the only interpretation. And that a DM could, while -still- conforming to the RAW, rule that sleep and meditation are -not- the same thing and that trance/meditation in heavy armour is considerably easier to do than sleeping in said armour.

It's a matter of how you interpret each thing, and is NOT clearly treated by the RAW.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Silvermoon 04-29-05, 10:34 AM	Hello Fellow adventurers, I don't know if I can play with the words, but I would like to know something. I the player's handbook, it's said " " A character who sleeps in medium or heavy armor is automatically fatigued the next day. He or she takes a -2 penalty on Strength and Dexterity and can't charge or run. Sleeping in light armor does not cause fatigue." I'm an elan (psionic race) and it said in the expanded Psionic handbook : "Elans do not sleep as members of the most other races do. Instead, an elan meditates in a deep trance for 4 hours a day. An elan resting in this fashion gains the same benefit that a human does from 8 hours of sleep." My question is, do my character become fatigue if he meditates in Half-plate? Thanks Silvermoon
SALDAR 04-29-05, 11:53 AM	Yes. Meditating for an elan (or elf) is the same as sleeping for a human. If sleeping in medium or heavy armor causes fatigue then meditating in such also carries the stated penalties.
mvincent 04-29-05, 06:53 PM	Yes. Meditating for an elan (or elf) is the same as sleeping for a human. If sleeping in medium or heavy armor causes fatigue then meditating in such also carries the stated penalties.While I might well rule this way in my own game, I do not see this supported by RAW. In this case, I believe the issue isn't about "sleep", but rather "resting" (if that is how their ability is described in the book). If the DM allows "resting" in armor, then this might be an option. However, the "resting" in armor issue has been debated before. Ultimately, it is a DM's call.
SALDAR 04-30-05, 09:52 PM	In this case, I believe the issue isn't about "sleep", but rather "resting" (if that is how their ability is described in the book). So a human that is sleeping is not resting? Humans sleep to refresh their bodies. Elans and elves meditate to refresh their bodies. Different mechanics (sleep vs meditation), same results (rest). A human that sleeps in medium or heavy armor is fatigued because he did not refresh his body do to uncomfortable conditions that did not allow him to rest. Elans and elves would suffer the same effect, fatigue, for the same reason.
No-man 04-30-05, 10:00 PM	There's several other threads about this. Resting is resting. Med/Hvy armor keeps you from being comfortable enough to get the rest you require to be well rested the next day; whether you're sleeping or meditating, it interferes with what would be the normal situation for you. Carry a Chain Shirt along with you to sleep in. Done.
White_Fox 04-30-05, 10:32 PM	So a human that is sleeping is not resting? Actually, I think Mvincents point was more that 'while sleeping may be resting, resting is not necessarily sleeping'. Though, I should point out that I agree with you. If something is too uncomfortable to sleep in, it's most likely too uncomfortable for 'resting' or meditation.
mvincent 05-01-05, 01:56 AM	Resting is resting. While I don't think anyone has argued against that, I am stating that (per the D&D rules) resting is a different term than sleeping. The armor rules only address sleeping in armor. It would be up to the DM how he wishes to treat armor in regard to resting.
No-man 05-01-05, 08:05 AM	Geez. You're splitting hairs. Check for the other threads for full discussion. You need to rest overnight, whether you sleep or meditate. If you sleep or meditate in M/H armor, you're not going to be in top condition the next day.
Vahenir 05-01-05, 08:35 AM	mvincent is actually quite correct. While the most common (and perhaps the correct) interpretation of the rules is that resting/meditating/trance and Sleeping are, essentially, the same thing, that's not the only interpretation. And that a DM could, while -still- conforming to the RAW, rule that sleep and meditation are -not- the same thing and that trance/meditation in heavy armour is considerably easier to do than sleeping in said armour. It's a matter of how you interpret each thing, and is NOT clearly treated by the RAW.