Armorspikes & shieldbonus [Archive] - Wizards Community

Armorspikes & shieldbonus [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Lord Rahl
04-06-06, 07:36 AM Hi,

During our last game session the following question came up

Is it correct that you can keep your shield bonus to your AC while you are using a full round action to attack with both your regular hand ( saying a one-handed battleaxe) and with armorspikes as your off-hand weapon.?

I found nothing in the rules that would oppose this but wanted only to be shure I don't missed something in the RAW.

Thank you.
LarryLaffer
04-06-06, 10:19 AM Yes. Aarmor spikes are on your armor not on your shield, and as you are not making a shield bash you do not loose your shield ac

On the other hand if you use a shield bash (with or without shieldspikes) without having improved shield bash then you would loose your shield bonus.
tarkin
04-06-06, 10:48 AM As per WoTC's rules, that is correct. (Note, some people may House Rule about this issue. It definitely rests on shaky grounds logic wise)

But remember, the choice is not a free-be.

You are giving up the Two handed attack with the weapon in your main hand.

This:

1) Reduces Strength and Power Attack damage modifiers.

2) Makes it easier to disarm or sunder you.
draconic_swine
04-06-06, 12:22 PM True, but if you were wanting to use a two-weapon fighting build, you wouldn't care about those points and you suddenly find your AC several points higher than originally planned; alternately, if you were planning on playing a sword-n-board character, your damage output has been modestly increased.
Tony Vargas
04-06-06, 12:54 PM This is true on a technicallity, yes. But, do check with your DM, as he may choose to rule against it, anyway.

Any rules loophole that lets a comparatively cheap piece of normal equipment obviate a feat (in this case, it's Improved Shield Bash or Two-Weapon Defense), is probably worth closing. That is, if anyone tries to exploit it.

JMHO.
Lord Rahl
04-07-06, 04:29 AM Thank you for the quick answers and in fact I'm the DM in our group and I wanted to confirm that by the RAW you can fight and use your shieldbonus in this way because it seemed to me to be a cheap posibility ( at no feat cost) to use an off-hand weapon .
tarkin
04-07-06, 12:24 PM If you are the DM and you think it is cheap, dissalow it.

Few games, if any, follow all of WoTC's rules.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lord Rahl 04-06-06, 07:36 AM	Hi, During our last game session the following question came up Is it correct that you can keep your shield bonus to your AC while you are using a full round action to attack with both your regular hand ( saying a one-handed battleaxe) and with armorspikes as your off-hand weapon.? I found nothing in the rules that would oppose this but wanted only to be shure I don't missed something in the RAW. Thank you.
LarryLaffer 04-06-06, 10:19 AM	Yes. Aarmor spikes are on your armor not on your shield, and as you are not making a shield bash you do not loose your shield ac On the other hand if you use a shield bash (with or without shieldspikes) without having improved shield bash then you would loose your shield bonus.
tarkin 04-06-06, 10:48 AM	As per WoTC's rules, that is correct. (Note, some people may House Rule about this issue. It definitely rests on shaky grounds logic wise) But remember, the choice is not a free-be. You are giving up the Two handed attack with the weapon in your main hand. This: 1) Reduces Strength and Power Attack damage modifiers. 2) Makes it easier to disarm or sunder you.
draconic_swine 04-06-06, 12:22 PM	True, but if you were wanting to use a two-weapon fighting build, you wouldn't care about those points and you suddenly find your AC several points higher than originally planned; alternately, if you were planning on playing a sword-n-board character, your damage output has been modestly increased.
Tony Vargas 04-06-06, 12:54 PM	This is true on a technicallity, yes. But, do check with your DM, as he may choose to rule against it, anyway. Any rules loophole that lets a comparatively cheap piece of normal equipment obviate a feat (in this case, it's Improved Shield Bash or Two-Weapon Defense), is probably worth closing. That is, if anyone tries to exploit it. JMHO.
Lord Rahl 04-07-06, 04:29 AM	Thank you for the quick answers and in fact I'm the DM in our group and I wanted to confirm that by the RAW you can fight and use your shieldbonus in this way because it seemed to me to be a cheap posibility ( at no feat cost) to use an off-hand weapon .
tarkin 04-07-06, 12:24 PM	If you are the DM and you think it is cheap, dissalow it. Few games, if any, follow all of WoTC's rules.