Attack of Opportunity [Archive] - Wizards Community

Attack of Opportunity [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Euch
10-31-06, 05:16 PM 2 question regarding the subject (sorry if they were asked before)

a. Can I use special combat moves in an AOO? (such as trip, disarm etc?)
b. can an AOO provoke an AOO? (for example, I got a barberian charging at me and a fighter next to me, while the barberian charges I try and disarm him using a whip as an AOO, but using the whip provoke an AOO, so will the fighter get that AOO or not?)
Damionte
10-31-06, 05:18 PM Yes and Yes.
Esponer
10-31-06, 05:19 PM Special combat moves can be used in an attack of opportunity if they are listed as a mêlée attack or an option for one attack in a full attack action. Tripping and disarming (and by general conensus and slight weight of the text, sunder) can be used during an attack of opportunity, but bull rush cannot.

An attack of opportunity can provoke an attack of opportunity, it would seem from the rules, but that derived rule should be taken with a pinch of Rule Zero if you want to keep your game in order. Your example isn't a problem — so the DM is best letting the AOO on an AOO — but some situations can become ridiculously tangled if AOOs provoke AOOs.
Euch
10-31-06, 05:25 PM hmm... didn't think otherwise.
thanks for the reassurance :)

small question though, in the example above (not talking about magic)
will the AOO by the fighter interrupt in anyway the AOO by the whip holder?
after all, getting slashed while trying to do an AOO (immidiate action?) will kind of slow you down, making you miss your chance for one, wont it?
fatal error
10-31-06, 05:29 PM Officially, no, unless you happen to kill the whip holder.

Some DMs do not allow AoOs that provoke AoOs, however.
Inigo Carmine
10-31-06, 06:05 PM for example, I got a barberian charging at me and a fighter next to me, while the barberian charges I try and disarm him using a whip as an AOO, but using the whip provoke an AOO, so will the fighter get that AOO or not?

Other people have answered your questions correctly, but for your future benefit, your example it highly flawed.

1) Charging does not provoke an AoO in and of itself. If the barbarian provokes a movement-based AoO that's all well and good, but he will not provoke against you with a movement based AoO unless you have natural reach (greater than 5ft) or a weapon that grants you such.

2) You do not threaten an area with a whip, therefore you would be ineligible for making an AoO regardless of what the barbarian did.

3)Even if you could use the whip for an AoO, you would not likely provoke one for attacking the barbarian, because you would choose to attack him while he is still 15 ft away from you. If he doesn't threaten you when you make an attack, he does not get to make an AoO. For this reason, the whip is best used when not in the threatened area of an enemy.
AtogEd
11-01-06, 01:48 AM Ok so wait I am confused, if you have a whip wouldn't you provoke an AoO because the barbarian is charging you and you have a 15ft threat range?
clannagh
11-01-06, 01:58 AM a lot of your questions will be clarified if you go to here

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/rg

and download:

Attacks of Opportunity (Part One)
Attacks of Opportunity (Part Two)

Noting of course that "rules of the game" articles are not core rules like Errata but more an indication of how things work.

As for the whip .. SRD says "The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don’t threaten the area into which you can make an attack." so sorry no AoO with a whip
Esponer
11-02-06, 10:21 AM Ok so wait I am confused, if you have a whip wouldn't you provoke an AoO because the barbarian is charging you and you have a 15ft threat range?
Whips do not threaten: "The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don’t threaten the area into which you can make an attack."

I specifically ignored the validity of your example and just answered your question (because AOOs from AOOs can come up in the rules), but Inigo is right.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Euch 10-31-06, 05:16 PM	2 question regarding the subject (sorry if they were asked before) a. Can I use special combat moves in an AOO? (such as trip, disarm etc?) b. can an AOO provoke an AOO? (for example, I got a barberian charging at me and a fighter next to me, while the barberian charges I try and disarm him using a whip as an AOO, but using the whip provoke an AOO, so will the fighter get that AOO or not?)
Damionte 10-31-06, 05:18 PM	Yes and Yes.
Esponer 10-31-06, 05:19 PM	Special combat moves can be used in an attack of opportunity if they are listed as a mêlée attack or an option for one attack in a full attack action. Tripping and disarming (and by general conensus and slight weight of the text, sunder) can be used during an attack of opportunity, but bull rush cannot. An attack of opportunity can provoke an attack of opportunity, it would seem from the rules, but that derived rule should be taken with a pinch of Rule Zero if you want to keep your game in order. Your example isn't a problem — so the DM is best letting the AOO on an AOO — but some situations can become ridiculously tangled if AOOs provoke AOOs.
Euch 10-31-06, 05:25 PM	hmm... didn't think otherwise. thanks for the reassurance :) small question though, in the example above (not talking about magic) will the AOO by the fighter interrupt in anyway the AOO by the whip holder? after all, getting slashed while trying to do an AOO (immidiate action?) will kind of slow you down, making you miss your chance for one, wont it?
fatal error 10-31-06, 05:29 PM	Officially, no, unless you happen to kill the whip holder. Some DMs do not allow AoOs that provoke AoOs, however.
Inigo Carmine 10-31-06, 06:05 PM	for example, I got a barberian charging at me and a fighter next to me, while the barberian charges I try and disarm him using a whip as an AOO, but using the whip provoke an AOO, so will the fighter get that AOO or not? Other people have answered your questions correctly, but for your future benefit, your example it highly flawed. 1) Charging does not provoke an AoO in and of itself. If the barbarian provokes a movement-based AoO that's all well and good, but he will not provoke against you with a movement based AoO unless you have natural reach (greater than 5ft) or a weapon that grants you such. 2) You do not threaten an area with a whip, therefore you would be ineligible for making an AoO regardless of what the barbarian did. 3)Even if you could use the whip for an AoO, you would not likely provoke one for attacking the barbarian, because you would choose to attack him while he is still 15 ft away from you. If he doesn't threaten you when you make an attack, he does not get to make an AoO. For this reason, the whip is best used when not in the threatened area of an enemy.
AtogEd 11-01-06, 01:48 AM	Ok so wait I am confused, if you have a whip wouldn't you provoke an AoO because the barbarian is charging you and you have a 15ft threat range?
clannagh 11-01-06, 01:58 AM	a lot of your questions will be clarified if you go to here http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/arch/rg and download: Attacks of Opportunity (Part One) Attacks of Opportunity (Part Two) Noting of course that "rules of the game" articles are not core rules like Errata but more an indication of how things work. As for the whip .. SRD says "The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don’t threaten the area into which you can make an attack." so sorry no AoO with a whip
Esponer 11-02-06, 10:21 AM	Ok so wait I am confused, if you have a whip wouldn't you provoke an AoO because the barbarian is charging you and you have a 15ft threat range? Whips do not threaten: "The whip is treated as a melee weapon with 15-foot reach, though you don’t threaten the area into which you can make an attack." I specifically ignored the validity of your example and just answered your question (because AOOs from AOOs can come up in the rules), but Inigo is right.