Attacks of oppurtunity vs. creature standing from prone? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Attacks of oppurtunity vs. creature standing from prone? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
JulesCARV
01-01-06, 03:19 PM Hi. I was just wondering, if you get an attack of oppurtunity against a creature standing up from prone, do you apply the -4 melee AC modifier (of, if you conduct an attack that provokes an AOA within the AOA, such as a grapple, a -4 melee attack modifier: it seems like the rules could allow an infinite regress of grapple AOAs without any attack rolls actually being made) to the creature, or do give the creature normal AC and attack modifiers, as if it just finished standing up, but is still to disoriented to prevent an AOA?
Ogre4Hire
01-01-06, 05:19 PM Attacks of Opportunity preempt the action that provokes them. A prone creature that stands up while in a threatened square takes the AoO while he's still on the ground, and has the normal penalties for being prone during the AoO. This also means that he can't be tripped (because he's already prone) while standing.
nastynate
01-01-06, 05:39 PM This combined with the free attack gained from improved trip, is what makes tripping the single best combat maneuver available to melee combatants. Tripping gives you two free attacks against your opponent who suffers a -4 penalty to his AC, while simultaneously penalizing his attacks, and hampering his movement options.

Honestly I wish there were some other technique that even rivaled it...but alas there isn't. I often feel pidgeon holed into choosing this combination, by the mechanics of the game.

Warrior type characters need more good combinations so that they don't have to turn into spiked chain trippers to remain valid at higher levels. Sigh...until Wizzos publish some other feats with significant bearing upon combat however, we're stuck with it. End rant
Ogre4Hire
01-02-06, 12:21 AM Ya know, tripping is of rather limited use against Flying, legless, multilegged, or big monsters.

And the critters you fight at higher levels tend to be at least one of the above.
mvincent
01-02-06, 01:49 PM Ya know, tripping is of rather limited use against Flying, legless, multilegged, or big monsters.Those monsters (except for legless) can still be tripped. An optimized tripper can get enough bonuses that he can still usually take-down bigger or multi-legged monsters.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
JulesCARV 01-01-06, 03:19 PM	Hi. I was just wondering, if you get an attack of oppurtunity against a creature standing up from prone, do you apply the -4 melee AC modifier (of, if you conduct an attack that provokes an AOA within the AOA, such as a grapple, a -4 melee attack modifier: it seems like the rules could allow an infinite regress of grapple AOAs without any attack rolls actually being made) to the creature, or do give the creature normal AC and attack modifiers, as if it just finished standing up, but is still to disoriented to prevent an AOA?
Ogre4Hire 01-01-06, 05:19 PM	Attacks of Opportunity preempt the action that provokes them. A prone creature that stands up while in a threatened square takes the AoO while he's still on the ground, and has the normal penalties for being prone during the AoO. This also means that he can't be tripped (because he's already prone) while standing.
nastynate 01-01-06, 05:39 PM	This combined with the free attack gained from improved trip, is what makes tripping the single best combat maneuver available to melee combatants. Tripping gives you two free attacks against your opponent who suffers a -4 penalty to his AC, while simultaneously penalizing his attacks, and hampering his movement options. Honestly I wish there were some other technique that even rivaled it...but alas there isn't. I often feel pidgeon holed into choosing this combination, by the mechanics of the game. Warrior type characters need more good combinations so that they don't have to turn into spiked chain trippers to remain valid at higher levels. Sigh...until Wizzos publish some other feats with significant bearing upon combat however, we're stuck with it. End rant
Ogre4Hire 01-02-06, 12:21 AM	Ya know, tripping is of rather limited use against Flying, legless, multilegged, or big monsters. And the critters you fight at higher levels tend to be at least one of the above.
mvincent 01-02-06, 01:49 PM	Ya know, tripping is of rather limited use against Flying, legless, multilegged, or big monsters.Those monsters (except for legless) can still be tripped. An optimized tripper can get enough bonuses that he can still usually take-down bigger or multi-legged monsters.