Augment Summoning Feat and Scribe Scroll [Archive] - Wizards Community

Augment Summoning Feat and Scribe Scroll [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Devian
08-08-06, 11:28 PM What effect does the Augment Summoning feat have when scribing a scroll? Would the creature summoned from a scroll scribed with this feat gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution? If so, how would this affect the item creation cost formula?
Nom
08-08-06, 11:37 PM None. Staves are the only item for which the triggered spell is affected by the wielder's abilities. Strictly speaking, Augment Summoning wouldn't even work for a staff, because the rules say that staves use the wielder's CL and DC, not any relevant feats.
Devian
08-08-06, 11:43 PM Just for arguments sake, why then is it possible to use metamagic feats during the item creation process?
Nom
08-09-06, 01:20 AM Because it is explicitly specified that you can and there is an explicit mechanic for doing so (you create the item based on the metamagic-modified spell level).

The mechanics are different. A spell with metamagic is for many purposes a different spell. It is prepared independently and has different spell slot requirements. Caster level, DC mods, and other similar modifiers are instead applied at casting time, not preparation time.

Currently, a spell cast from an item has two measures of power: spell level and caster level. From a design perspective, allowing other effects to stick their nose into the process makes balancing items a lot harder, so they are excluded. All items (except staves) create spell effects at the built-in spell and caster level and minimum DC. Staves are unique precisely because you can use your own DC and CL.

In contrast, a staff won't let you apply metamagic during casting; applying metamagic makes it a different spell, not just the same spell with different parameters.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Devian 08-08-06, 11:28 PM	What effect does the Augment Summoning feat have when scribing a scroll? Would the creature summoned from a scroll scribed with this feat gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Constitution? If so, how would this affect the item creation cost formula?
Nom 08-08-06, 11:37 PM	None. Staves are the only item for which the triggered spell is affected by the wielder's abilities. Strictly speaking, Augment Summoning wouldn't even work for a staff, because the rules say that staves use the wielder's CL and DC, not any relevant feats.
Devian 08-08-06, 11:43 PM	Just for arguments sake, why then is it possible to use metamagic feats during the item creation process?
Nom 08-09-06, 01:20 AM	Because it is explicitly specified that you can and there is an explicit mechanic for doing so (you create the item based on the metamagic-modified spell level). The mechanics are different. A spell with metamagic is for many purposes a different spell. It is prepared independently and has different spell slot requirements. Caster level, DC mods, and other similar modifiers are instead applied at casting time, not preparation time. Currently, a spell cast from an item has two measures of power: spell level and caster level. From a design perspective, allowing other effects to stick their nose into the process makes balancing items a lot harder, so they are excluded. All items (except staves) create spell effects at the built-in spell and caster level and minimum DC. Staves are unique precisely because you can use your own DC and CL. In contrast, a staff won't let you apply metamagic during casting; applying metamagic makes it a different spell, not just the same spell with different parameters.