Ball and Chain weapon [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ball and Chain weapon [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
fableblade
08-06-07, 01:20 PM Does anyone know/have the stats for a plain Ball and Chain weapon. I saw it in a book or magazine before but can't find it now.
Legdiwena
08-06-07, 02:30 PM Should be same as flail but no piercing damage since there are no spikes.
fableblade
08-06-07, 04:46 PM The chain is long enough to make it a reach weapon like the asian weapon Kusari-Gama. Thank you for giving me the base damage for the ball.
Rhatahema
08-06-07, 07:01 PM The Rope Dart from issue 319 of Dragon Magazine has a variant called the Meteor Hammer, which seems pretty close to what you're looking for.
Hellsbells
08-06-07, 07:07 PM I'd say same as a flail but with these changes:

1) a reach weapon that is usable against tagets next to you.

2) two versions, one with and one without spikes.

3) a bonus on sundering weapons. (possibly only if the user takes some sort of special action, seeing how you can swing it around to get more momentom.
_Chaz_
08-06-07, 07:11 PM Spiked chain with bludgeoning
locustechpriest
08-06-07, 07:36 PM Aye, Meteor Hammer seems to be exactly what you are looking for. (I haven't read the article, but I am familiar with the actual weapon. You should read about it, as it is quite fascinating how some folk train in its use.) If you can't access the article, I would go at least heavy flail level for damage. It can actually exert a lot more force, because of the longer chain and the speed you can get it going at. Spiked chain is a good comparison too, as you can probably choke up on the chain and make both reach and non-reach attacks.
Traverse
08-07-07, 04:00 AM Dunno, why not try this:

Exotic 2-Handers
Meteor Hammer* 1d6 20/x2 - 5 lb. Bludgeoning
Rope Dart* 1d4 19-20/x2 - 3 lb. Piercing
*15' Reach, can be used against an adjacent foe. Trip weapon.

The meteor hammer/rope dart has a looong reach. If you wanted to drop the 15' to 10', then the damage or critical range (dart)/critical multiplier (hammer) of each could be moved up by one step.

I like unique items. :)

A post of mine from 2 months ago minus a day (slightly edited now). :)

I post this just in case you can't find Dragon #319 (said magazine with meteor hammer). I drew this up just before the article was mentioned last time, and fancy that I've already forgotten the stats again. Glad I picked that Dragon up, though, it had some great Dark Sun stuff.
jaelis
08-07-07, 08:04 AM Don't make it better than the spiked chain, that already sets the bar. Since bludgeoning is a bit better than piercing, I'd make it just like a spiked chain but with 1d8/x2 damage instead.
fableblade
08-07-07, 08:19 AM Thank you Traverse for the stats from the Dragon Mag.
Werral
08-07-07, 01:46 PM A flail is a ball and chain, but with spikes. It's just weird that a spiked chain is better than a flail. I guess it was because they wanted to keep flails martial. Still you could restat flails (including ball and chain) as exotic. How would they be?
zephyrTR
08-07-07, 02:58 PM flails are ball n chains on a handle. What he's talkin about is like ... if you ever played Samurai Shodown, Earthquake uses one of these. It's like a big shot-put with a chain attached to it.

I'd go 1d10 2 hander, reach but can hit adjacent squares. trip weapon, +2 to sunder, -2 to AC after a swing (if you're spinning it quickly, you really can't move very effectively)

I duno, im just throwin stats down tho.
Traverse
08-07-07, 04:26 PM Thank you Traverse for the stats from the Dragon Mag.

A bit mistaken, I can't actually post the stats from Dragon. Those stats were made prior to looking in the magazine, and upon looking were similar.

Just have to specify to make sure I don't get warned or anything. :(
Rolof
08-07-07, 05:53 PM Most average about 5'6" and 125 pounds...
Cariyaga
08-07-07, 07:25 PM I think he's talking about one like from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, if any of you have played it. Am I right?
Novacat
08-07-07, 07:47 PM The ball/chain weapon, called a chain mace, is actually relatively short, and should not be a reach weapon at all. Just take a flail, removed piercing, and there ya go. Just like in Braveheart.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
fableblade 08-06-07, 01:20 PM	Does anyone know/have the stats for a plain Ball and Chain weapon. I saw it in a book or magazine before but can't find it now.
Legdiwena 08-06-07, 02:30 PM	Should be same as flail but no piercing damage since there are no spikes.
fableblade 08-06-07, 04:46 PM	The chain is long enough to make it a reach weapon like the asian weapon Kusari-Gama. Thank you for giving me the base damage for the ball.
Rhatahema 08-06-07, 07:01 PM	The Rope Dart from issue 319 of Dragon Magazine has a variant called the Meteor Hammer, which seems pretty close to what you're looking for.
Hellsbells 08-06-07, 07:07 PM	I'd say same as a flail but with these changes: 1) a reach weapon that is usable against tagets next to you. 2) two versions, one with and one without spikes. 3) a bonus on sundering weapons. (possibly only if the user takes some sort of special action, seeing how you can swing it around to get more momentom.
_Chaz_ 08-06-07, 07:11 PM	Spiked chain with bludgeoning
locustechpriest 08-06-07, 07:36 PM	Aye, Meteor Hammer seems to be exactly what you are looking for. (I haven't read the article, but I am familiar with the actual weapon. You should read about it, as it is quite fascinating how some folk train in its use.) If you can't access the article, I would go at least heavy flail level for damage. It can actually exert a lot more force, because of the longer chain and the speed you can get it going at. Spiked chain is a good comparison too, as you can probably choke up on the chain and make both reach and non-reach attacks.
Traverse 08-07-07, 04:00 AM	Dunno, why not try this: Exotic 2-Handers Meteor Hammer* 1d6 20/x2 - 5 lb. Bludgeoning Rope Dart* 1d4 19-20/x2 - 3 lb. Piercing *15' Reach, can be used against an adjacent foe. Trip weapon. The meteor hammer/rope dart has a looong reach. If you wanted to drop the 15' to 10', then the damage or critical range (dart)/critical multiplier (hammer) of each could be moved up by one step. I like unique items. :) A post of mine from 2 months ago minus a day (slightly edited now). :) I post this just in case you can't find Dragon #319 (said magazine with meteor hammer). I drew this up just before the article was mentioned last time, and fancy that I've already forgotten the stats again. Glad I picked that Dragon up, though, it had some great Dark Sun stuff.
jaelis 08-07-07, 08:04 AM	Don't make it better than the spiked chain, that already sets the bar. Since bludgeoning is a bit better than piercing, I'd make it just like a spiked chain but with 1d8/x2 damage instead.
fableblade 08-07-07, 08:19 AM	Thank you Traverse for the stats from the Dragon Mag.
Werral 08-07-07, 01:46 PM	A flail is a ball and chain, but with spikes. It's just weird that a spiked chain is better than a flail. I guess it was because they wanted to keep flails martial. Still you could restat flails (including ball and chain) as exotic. How would they be?
zephyrTR 08-07-07, 02:58 PM	flails are ball n chains on a handle. What he's talkin about is like ... if you ever played Samurai Shodown, Earthquake uses one of these. It's like a big shot-put with a chain attached to it. I'd go 1d10 2 hander, reach but can hit adjacent squares. trip weapon, +2 to sunder, -2 to AC after a swing (if you're spinning it quickly, you really can't move very effectively) I duno, im just throwin stats down tho.
Traverse 08-07-07, 04:26 PM	Thank you Traverse for the stats from the Dragon Mag. A bit mistaken, I can't actually post the stats from Dragon. Those stats were made prior to looking in the magazine, and upon looking were similar. Just have to specify to make sure I don't get warned or anything. :(
Rolof 08-07-07, 05:53 PM	Most average about 5'6" and 125 pounds...
Cariyaga 08-07-07, 07:25 PM	I think he's talking about one like from Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, if any of you have played it. Am I right?
Novacat 08-07-07, 07:47 PM	The ball/chain weapon, called a chain mace, is actually relatively short, and should not be a reach weapon at all. Just take a flail, removed piercing, and there ya go. Just like in Braveheart.