Post/Author/DateTime	Post
SolkaTruesilver 10-13-06, 12:03 PM	Bets are on, let the story flow! :) I think Pun-Pun's first move would be to try to flood the DM under 5000 kg of character sheets, just to handle every feat/power he has..
tarkin 10-13-06, 12:07 PM	DM: "You can not use 3.0 stuff in a 3.5 game" Suddenly, Pun-Pun is powerless and gets killed by a passing vorpal bunny rabbit. ------- OR DM: "You can not use 3.5 stuff in a 3.0 game" Suddenly, Pun-Pun is powerless and gets killed by a passing vorpal bunny rabbit.
Chrono Nexus 10-13-06, 12:25 PM	DM: "You can not use 3.0 stuff in a 3.5 game" Suddenly, Pun-Pun is powerless and gets killed by a passing vorpal bunny rabbit. ------- OR DM: "You can not use 3.5 stuff in a 3.0 game" Suddenly, Pun-Pun is powerless and gets killed by a passing vorpal bunny rabbit. K.O. Total Annihilation.
Someone 10-13-06, 01:19 PM	I'm with tark on this. The DM can simply disallow the FR stuff that makes PP tick. Heck, even just the MM that the whatis PP morphs into is found. Of course, this is based on what little knowledge of whatever PP's current incarnation is, so I might be off...
kyeudo 10-13-06, 01:25 PM	All you need to do to kill pun-pun is either remove his access to serpent kingdoms, which is where he gets the ability to give out abilities, or take advantage of the 2d4 rounds he's unconcious after each use of ability granting. That, or the vorpal rabbit works.
Richmud 10-15-06, 07:26 PM	DM: "You can not use 3.0 stuff in a 3.5 game" Pun-Pun can be created in an exclusivly 3.5 game, it requires serpent kingdoms and XPH in addition to core. The DM can beat Pun-Pun easily my favorite methods: 1. Pun-Pun angers AO and is smited (hard to prove you are more powerful then an unstatted overdeity) 2. When you attempt to gain infinte power Pin-Pin, a kobold who completed his tranformation millenia ago, appears and uses his infinte powers to remove your ability to ever attempt this again.
Orion_Danthyer 10-15-06, 07:36 PM	Bets are on, let the story flow! :) I think Pun-Pun's first move would be to try to flood the DM under 5000 kg of character sheets, just to handle every feat/power he has.. Duh, the dm will win, all he has to do is say" i smite you dead" end of discussion
Esponer 10-15-06, 07:38 PM	Tarkin, what D&D 3.0 elements are you thinking of?
Issabella 10-15-06, 08:51 PM	we are not playing in FR, there are no Sukketh, there for no Pun Pun. Or we are in FR but I gave Sukketh the archtype shape ability the Sharn have. Pun pun is thwarted. Now make a character and do not go to the CO boards for advice.
narukagami 10-15-06, 09:41 PM	I (The DM) win on this one: "I don't have Serpent Kingdoms, nor have I read anything out of it, so no." Also, "This isn't FR, and Sukketh don't exsist in this world." Pun-Pun is realitivly easy to deal with if your DM isn't a spineless twit, or a complete idiot.
dokesa 10-16-06, 04:48 PM	Tarkin, what D&D 3.0 elements are you thinking of?He is probably referring to assume supernatural ability from Savage Species. But like Richmud says, it is not needed. Pun-Pun can be made completely with 3.5 rules.
Nezkrul 10-16-06, 04:50 PM	... and so much metagaming its not even funny.
Esponer 10-16-06, 04:53 PM	What, you mean it's unreasonable for a 3rd-level character to know of the existence of the sarrukh, know that they have the ability to grant deific power (but strangely never did), know that they can use the spell ice assassin to summon a god, know of all the unique abilities in the multiverse which they can make themselves inherit with the use of manipulate form, know of... Well hey, when in doubt, combine it with the omniscifier (or the more recent Tome of Battle variant) to gain infinite Knowledge checks on everything to justify it. Ahem...
Grod_The_Giant 10-16-06, 04:55 PM	2. When you attempt to gain infinte power Pin-Pin, a kobold who completed his tranformation millenia ago, appears and uses his infinte powers to remove your ability to ever attempt this again. :rofl: great. just classic. I should sig that.
Prime32 10-16-06, 04:59 PM	Incidentally, skarns in MoI have both the prerequisites and an actual in-character reason to become Pun-Pun. Yes, an in-character reason to become Pun-Pun.
Napoleon_the_Clown 10-16-06, 06:31 PM	"Pun-Pun is wished out of existance and the cosmos agreed to do it exactly as the wisher intended." --Annoyed DM. The DM will win. Pun-Pun would win against other PCs or any non-epic monster, but the DM can kill him instantly.
Silverthumb128 10-16-06, 06:57 PM	DM: "You can not use 3.0/3.5 stuff in a 2nd edition game" Fixed. I win. :D
Esponer 10-16-06, 07:21 PM	"Pun-Pun is wished out of existance and the cosmos agreed to do it exactly as the wisher intended." --Annoyed DM. Pun-Pun is specifically immune to the spell wish and can counterspell or take an attack of opportunity against anybody casting a spell anywhere in the multiverse. Pun-Pun probably also has the ability to fascinate everyone in the multiverse with him should he want to, irrespective of their immunities or saving throw bonuses, reactively (celerity) in response to a perceived threat (determined aeons in advance due to his rampant time travel and omniscience). That's also beyond the power of wish anyway. ...Why am I defending Pun-Pun?
Napoleon_the_Clown 10-16-06, 09:27 PM	Who said it has to be the spell called wish? Besides, the entire cosmos will win over Pun-Pun simply because it is all of existance. And, essentially, the DM.
Necropolitan 10-16-06, 09:29 PM	The DM engages protocol "CTRL-Y". Pun-Pun promptly implodes into a fine red mist.
Imban 10-16-06, 10:31 PM	Amusingly enough, Ctrl-Y is rather fallible in the Baldur's Gate series. Use it on an NPC who is Not Supposed to Die Here and you'll see what I mean. (Elminster (as the wandering mage) near the start of BG1 or Imoen at the start of BG2 are good examples of this.)
aotrscommander 10-17-06, 11:30 AM	While I, as the DM, could easily eliminate Pun-pun with but a thought, it would be far more fun to gain victory after an excessively long, high-octane, pyrotechnical and explosive battle over the entire multiverse, including galaxy-shakingly destructive spells, stupidly awesome manouvers, lots of witty banter and the total destruction of any nearby breakable objects (i.e. planets). A battle such as would not only be worthy of a song, but automatically Stun and awe everyone in the multiverse with a combination of Awesome, Win and Ka-BOOOM!
DarknessEternal 10-17-06, 12:54 PM	2. When you attempt to gain infinte power Pin-Pin, a kobold who completed his tranformation millenia ago, appears and uses his infinte powers to remove your ability to ever attempt this again. Where do the Neo-Terminators jump in?
Voldar_Mecorthio 10-17-06, 08:34 PM	The DM uses the one weapon that can destroy pun-pun: +5 scissors of character sheet slaying.
Godzilla 10-17-06, 08:43 PM	Um... What's Pun-Pun?
MareltEkiran 10-17-06, 10:19 PM	A level 5 kobold, which through an immense series of creative use of different rules, statistics and abilities has been turned into a god with infinite HD, HP, stats, feats, abilities and everything else that a character may think of.
NoldorForce 10-17-06, 10:30 PM	Actually, Pun-Pun is now a 1st-level character. All that's really needed is to be able to know about Pazuzu and request a Candle of Invocation from him. Currently, they're hoping to work out something that has Pun-Pun as a naked 1st-level character.
Godzilla 10-17-06, 10:31 PM	Actually, Pun-Pun is now a 1st-level character. All that's really needed is to be able to know about Pazuzu and request a Candle of Invocation from him. Currently, they're hoping to work out something that has Pun-Pun as a naked 1st-level character. Where'd Pun-Pun originate? And who's they?
Someone 10-18-06, 12:10 AM	PP originated on the Character Optimization boards, and basically uses a familiar, a spell, a feat, and a particular monster's special ability to stack size modifiers beyond colossal (along with the size increases to strength), and then transfer those scores to its other stats. Something along the lines of use spell to become monster, use feat to use monster's ability to enlarge to colossal, give strength score to familiar, revert in size, have familiar give strength score back, enlarge to colossal again, and go from there. Though the exact variations might have changed since it was last explained to me. Not that I think it should work in any form, anyway.
Tsuul 10-18-06, 01:54 AM	DM couldn't defeat Venger. And the big V's no where near Pun-pun.
Tyler Do'Urden 10-18-06, 03:01 AM	Here's how the DM defeats Pun-pun. "You guys can't use anything from Serpent Kingdoms." Wait, better still. "Hey, let's play BESM."
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-18-06, 08:26 AM	Here's how the DM defeats Pun-pun. "You guys can't use anything from Serpent Kingdoms." Wait, better still. "Hey, let's play BESM." What is BESM?
aotrscommander 10-18-06, 08:58 AM	What is BESM? Big Eyes Small Mouth an anime RPG systems that runs one either D20 or Tri-Stat. Wait, better still. "Hey, let's play BESM." Though my preference would be Rolemaster. [off topic] Tyler, what happened to Bulletproof Condom?
FruitOfTheShroom 10-18-06, 12:30 PM	Here's how the DM defeats Pun-pun. "You guys can't use anything from Serpent Kingdoms." Wait, better still. "Hey, let's play BESM." Because BESM is balanced... :rolleyes: Anyways. Pun Pun is ridiculous, and is not actually a PC; he's just a community exercise at seeing just how far the rules can be broken.
Richmud 10-18-06, 12:44 PM	Anyways. Pun Pun is ridiculous, and is not actually a PC; he's just a community exercise at seeing just how far the rules can be broken. Pun-Pun doesn't break the rules he just bends them into a gordian knot. And even though people have already taken the sword to it people still want to see if they can untie it.
prozacman 10-18-06, 04:39 PM	our group's solution to pun-pun? (blah blah blah, playher rambling off how to become pun-pun) DM: you do it.. then 27 fat balding men in aprons appear around you "WE are the Holy Order Of Bartenders, you have discovered our secret. Now you must join us" They all use polymorph to turn the lil' kobold into a fat balding human, and teleport him to some town he's never seen, inside a bar. with sigils which keep him, and his power inside the bar player: but i'm ultimately powerful... DM: the HOOB's have been doing that for eons... they're more powerful.. and now your locked in a bar, where you will tend for the rest of eternity... make a new character.
Tyler Do'Urden 10-18-06, 08:36 PM	[off topic] Tyler, what happened to Bulletproof Condom?I lost it in Vietnam. (see the first five of the last six posts of this thread (there's been new posts)) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=722451)
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-19-06, 04:30 AM	PunPun's greatest battale: Come my children and I will tell you the storie of my fight with my greatest advirsary. It was long ago when I was young and stong, I had finished my studys with the Sukketh by then and already my destruction of the acursed Gnome race had been complete and our blessed lord and savior had rewarded me with his aturnal gratatude and a boon (can you beleve it him auforing me a boon) to be called if I was ever in need. However things were not ment to stay that way. As soon as I left the atturnal relm of the lord a voice came to me and said on to me "PUN PUN!!! I have seen your acts and find them disturbing yet amusing; but I must insist that you halt your quest for power ware it is and go no further on that path." So of corce being the impetuas youth that I was I said back to him, "And who is this who insists that I do any thing, for I am Pun Pun the single greatest thing to come in to being The overlord of the multivirs and the prodigal son of the great Mrs. Oe and Mr. Cea Boards and I can end you as quickaly as I did thoughs snivaling little alusionist, bard freeks." and he ansared me, Oh did he answer me: "Pun Pun becarfule of how you speek for though you do not know me I do know you; I controle all that happens in this world and I can controle you, I can make you into the lord of all things or turn you into an ant under the foot of the most timid of Kobal... uhh I meen Gnole.... umm any way...and though you will not know me by my name I will tell it to you, you of all creatures, in recognition of your asention for I am DM." Not at all taken aback I responded "You are right 'D M' I have not heard of you, you must not be very important, but now that I know your name you are even more suseptabule to me; now be gone or feel my scorn." I said this as I increased my size five hundred times and added knowlage of how to use the words of creation to destroy things that I could name in its tong. Knowlage I had never before known. "Pun Pun for disobaying me I am afrade that I must take your power from you and stop you from ever persuing it again. I am sorry." so I say to him "Know this DM I do not give up what is mine without a fight, and my powers least of all, so now prepare for your death." Then amazingly just as I finished the last word of that fatfule sentance I realized that I was some how someware ells not balancing atop of our little world as I had been, but some how, without inkreasing in size, I was standing ontop our multivers as though on a glass roof looking in and yet able to see and manuver within it form the inside and outside of its self, as though I had been removed from the three dimentions themselves." I was transfixed unable to look away form that which I had untill that very moment thought to be all things, something that could not be seen exept form within. I just stared mezmorized for what seemed hours untill finaly remembering how I got to that place I looked around at that new demention and saw a man seemingly of all the intelagent beenings of the multivers at once dresed in a simple black hooded robe looking back at me. "As you wish" said the man, "Let us do battel, You and I, and may the best God win. "Yes let us do battale DM, you and me," I retorted, "and let that it should be the last ever fought in this super-vers for the carnage and destruction that I shall leve in the wake of your deconstruction." then before I new it there was a flash of light and we were back in OUR univers and the cosmose was reset from its old form and shape, to make an arena for us, the likes of which had never been seen, it had nebula for boundrys and the forces of time and nature as our weapons. "As you wish Pun Pun," he said to me, "although I could undoe you with only the breath of a few short words I have desided to let you see the scope of my powers in hopes that you are right and all the inhabidence of this 'Super-vers' as you put it will sit up and take notis of this fight and desid to never toyal tword the arts of violance again ells this event be repeted." and with that I lashed out at him with the anger of a war god for his impudency. I took with in me the power of the strongest barbarian's rage the frenzied stamina of the meanest bersercar's frenzy, and the might of the stoutest dire badger's anger and lashed at him with a club made of pure gravity and enirsha. But loe, he did rebuke me banding together hundreds of planets, hole solar systems, into a sheald to guard him from my blow, and then with the quickness of the fastest cheatas dash he strck at me with a dagger made of the purest shadow. It dug deep but the woond healed as soon as he removed the blade and I jumped back, back hundreds of miles and started sining I sang then the purest and most presious song that had been soung since the univers was created for I sang in the same language that created it; the song included a powerfule hopfule coruse that gifted me with the powers of the most skillfuly executed bards song it had a dark slow beet producing the darkest cures ever crafted, which I did bring to beare apon my enemy, and hit had a brige containing the most powerfule truname incantation ever uttered, In it I used his true name, or so I thought. Dussens of planets were made baren as a wave of neggitive enargy washed over half of the erena engolfing my adversary, then just as sudenly 100 suns exploded washing away the darkness showing my aponent in a shriveld degraded state, but the light of thoughs supernova condtinued to sprd and intensify washing the feeld in whit light I was invigorated sudenly I felt strongger and healthyer then ever before. And yet even then my spell was not done all the energy and matter of those exploded suns and the planets that used to orbit them gathered and condenced into a single small point wright behind DM and he was sucked into it. Thinking myself the victor I started to walk back tword our world shrinking as I went. but then with in seconds I heard laphing, "You think that you have won? so soon? Pun Pun, you are indeed persumtuis" and with that I was sudenly intumbed with in a box made of all of the ellements at once and of every hue posibule. "now stay and do not tempt my anger more!" I laffed, "Is that it is that the scope of your power? to trap me in a box?" "I see now I do not know why you are not dead but I also do not know why I carred, I can deffeat you with just my most basic of powers." and so thinking as sutch I started to grow I grew till I filled the box, and then I kept growing, braking threw the stone and the water the ice and even the force using only my mass alone, and still I kept going; I grew to 300, 400, 800, 9,000 times my normal size, I grew till I filled all but just the smallest corner of this super-vers, crushing all things that were in the way of my expancion. Then I formed from the few remaning crumbs and chips of the multivers that were left a sword made of two metles and the only two that I knew would hirt a beeing like him I formed a sword larger than hadever been billt befor or has been bilt since it shined of the purest bronz and the most radiant green for it was made of equal parts pure adimantine and starmetal. And once it was done towering before my enemy I struck down apon him with all the strangth of a thoughsend Terasque. I hit him di******y and made contact strate to his unprotected head, the sword glowed bright with green energy and consumed him within it's self. But when the green glare cleared he was still standing completely unscathed smilling. He said to me. "Now Pun Pun do you see my true might? You cannot harm me; and now I think that this has gone on long enugh, it is time that I ended this now. And then he said a simple ten word sentance. a spell that I, even then was not able to comprehend, and that I sirtanly can not now. For it was so simple, it didn't even seem like a spell at the time, though I know it must have been. He simply said "O.k. Nat you can't use any thing from Serpent Kingdom's" I do not know what it meens but after it was spoken all I was aware of before appearing in the dessert of my birth was the sound of ruffaling paper, a feeling as though blunt rubber objects were scrubing at me untill the flesh came off of my frame and the feeling of ink being drawn all over my body. I called apon our Lord then and asked that he go after DM, he agreed tentitivaly. At first but when he heared my stroie he quickaly recanted and told me that I had been foolish to go up against one sutch as him. though he did grant my boon by making me a god of the first divinity level, which as you all know is ironicaly the second, not the first level of divine power. any way my children that is the story of my fall from power and my battal with the beeing known as DM. Pun Pun, ex-self aclaimed master of the univers; telling his storie to his grand children.
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-19-06, 04:36 AM	our group's solution to pun-pun? (blah blah blah, playher rambling off how to become pun-pun) DM: you do it.. then 27 fat balding men in aprons appear around you "WE are the Holy Order Of Bartenders, you have discovered our secret. Now you must join us" They all use polymorph to turn the lil' kobold into a fat balding human, and teleport him to some town he's never seen, inside a bar. with sigils which keep him, and his power inside the bar player: but i'm ultimately powerful... DM: the HOOB's have been doing that for eons... they're more powerful.. and now your locked in a bar, where you will tend for the rest of eternity... make a new character. Im pritty shoure that Pun Pun wouldn't be affected by any polymorph spell that he doesn't want to be affected by. but then again I have never really had Pun Pun explained to me very well, so maybe thats his one weeknes or something. but some how I doubt it.
Subedei 10-19-06, 04:48 AM	As usual, Tarkin doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. It really is that simple though. You're the DM, you can allow all the material needed to create Pun-Pun and just tell the player or the....NPC...who's attempting to do this that it just doesn't work because you don't want it to work. Simple as that. No player is seriously going to argue that it's not fair. My favorite method though is to just saw "Good job, you rule supreme over everything in the universe for all eternity. Now, we're going to continue the campaign right where we left off in an alternate dimension in which that didn't happen."
aotrscommander 10-19-06, 09:19 AM	PunPun's greatest battale: *snip* That's pretty much what I had in mind, only my version would have more explosions, lasers, Matrix-fu and gratuitous slow motion sequences. And an awesome sound track. I lost it in Vietnam. (see last four posts of this thread) (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=722451) That is so depressing. And weird! (Darn good job I read people's sigs, otherwise I'd have been wondering where you'd gone, and wondering why Tyler had almost the exact same sig!)