being swallowed whole by a now-dead creature? [Archive] - Wizards Community

being swallowed whole by a now-dead creature? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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dengarbountyhunter
04-25-06, 09:32 PM lets say you get swallowed whole by a big meanie. after a few rounds of trying to get out (you forgot your light, slashing or piercing weapon at home), the fighter finally kills it. the bludgeoning damage probably stops, but for how long do you still suffer the acid damage? how hard is a grapple check against a dead but still friggin heavy creature? are the rules to ENTER the stomach of a dead creature the same than those to get out?

thank you in advance for those of you who come up with answers!
Edymnion
04-25-06, 09:35 PM Basically yeah, you've been eaten, and there's lots of acid in there.
You still gotta cut your way out before you suffocate/crush/dissolve.
Plothos
04-25-06, 11:01 PM I'd say you still take suffocation and acid damage as long as you're in there. But a reasonable DM would let somebody on the outside cut you free as a full round action, meaning you'd take just one more round of damage.
jaelis
04-25-06, 11:23 PM To crawl out the gullet on your own, I'd probably still make you succeed on a grapple check, but for the dead monster's check, I'd apply only the size modifier, not its strength and BAB modifiers. (So a huge creature would get just a +8 bonus.)

I would also allow an ally to cut you out in one round, as Plothos suggested. I'd make it a full round action that draws an AoO though (equivalent of a CdG. I guess here that's a coup de gullet.)
draconic_swine
04-25-06, 11:28 PM Agreed on continuing to take the suffocation & acid damage. I'm no biology expert, but a fresh corpse's stomach acid won't miraculously turn off upon death.

I'd rule that you still have to deal however much damage the monster's entry says is required to get out, but now your buddies can help from the outside. I don't think it should be quite as easy as a full-round action to escape the damage now that it's dead, but that's still a pretty good idea.

I'd also think a sufficiently high Escape Artist check or Strength roll would be fine for wiggling/forcing your way out of the throat. DCs of 30 and 35 sound fairly good to me, although they could be way off.
ClementWillowbreaker
04-26-06, 09:33 AM The CdGullet would only provoke from creatures also swallowed with you, since being inside the stomach provides total cover from everything outside it (kinda like your organs have total cover from your enemies).
jaelis
04-26-06, 10:28 AM I was thinking the CdGullet would be performed by someone outside the creature. (Basically just taking a round to slice its stomach open.) I figure the creature in the gullet wouldn't have that option, since his actions are still pretty limited.
Shadowfax7
04-26-06, 12:47 PM To crawl out the gullet on your own, I'd probably still make you succeed on a grapple check, but for the dead monster's check, I'd apply only the size modifier, not its strength and BAB modifiers. (So a huge creature would get just a +8 bonus.)
I agree with leaving the size modifier for the grapple check and removing BAB since the creature's size doesn't change upon death, but his ability to grapple (BAB) is gone.

However, I disagree with no Str modifirer. A dead creature would have a Str of 0, thus a -5 penalty. Applying this to the example Huge creature, leaves a grapple modifier of +3 (+8 for size, -5 for Str).
dengarbountyhunter
04-26-06, 04:16 PM yes, but what about damage from the weight of the creature? I think we might consider it like being buried under rubble/snow (SRD rules for avalanches and cave-ins), except for the way to get out, but I'm not sure...

I also plan on creating a monster called the Brass Ox. The real thing from which it's based was a brass torture implement shaped like an ox. You put people inside and heat it over a bonfire, and they die horribly... the creature would be a construct with fire damage, DR and swallow whole (fire damage instead of gastric acid)...

do you think the swallow whole would be too powerful, as the DR of the creature would make it impossible to damage it from the inside with a light weapon?
Shadowfax7
04-26-06, 05:30 PM do you think the swallow whole would be too powerful, as the DR of the creature would make it impossible to damage it from the inside with a light weapon?
DR 5/adamantine might be OK.

Also, fire damage is easier to protect against.

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dengarbountyhunter 04-25-06, 09:32 PM	lets say you get swallowed whole by a big meanie. after a few rounds of trying to get out (you forgot your light, slashing or piercing weapon at home), the fighter finally kills it. the bludgeoning damage probably stops, but for how long do you still suffer the acid damage? how hard is a grapple check against a dead but still friggin heavy creature? are the rules to ENTER the stomach of a dead creature the same than those to get out? thank you in advance for those of you who come up with answers!
Edymnion 04-25-06, 09:35 PM	Basically yeah, you've been eaten, and there's lots of acid in there. You still gotta cut your way out before you suffocate/crush/dissolve.
Plothos 04-25-06, 11:01 PM	I'd say you still take suffocation and acid damage as long as you're in there. But a reasonable DM would let somebody on the outside cut you free as a full round action, meaning you'd take just one more round of damage.
jaelis 04-25-06, 11:23 PM	To crawl out the gullet on your own, I'd probably still make you succeed on a grapple check, but for the dead monster's check, I'd apply only the size modifier, not its strength and BAB modifiers. (So a huge creature would get just a +8 bonus.) I would also allow an ally to cut you out in one round, as Plothos suggested. I'd make it a full round action that draws an AoO though (equivalent of a CdG. I guess here that's a coup de gullet.)
draconic_swine 04-25-06, 11:28 PM	Agreed on continuing to take the suffocation & acid damage. I'm no biology expert, but a fresh corpse's stomach acid won't miraculously turn off upon death. I'd rule that you still have to deal however much damage the monster's entry says is required to get out, but now your buddies can help from the outside. I don't think it should be quite as easy as a full-round action to escape the damage now that it's dead, but that's still a pretty good idea. I'd also think a sufficiently high Escape Artist check or Strength roll would be fine for wiggling/forcing your way out of the throat. DCs of 30 and 35 sound fairly good to me, although they could be way off.
ClementWillowbreaker 04-26-06, 09:33 AM	The CdGullet would only provoke from creatures also swallowed with you, since being inside the stomach provides total cover from everything outside it (kinda like your organs have total cover from your enemies).
jaelis 04-26-06, 10:28 AM	I was thinking the CdGullet would be performed by someone outside the creature. (Basically just taking a round to slice its stomach open.) I figure the creature in the gullet wouldn't have that option, since his actions are still pretty limited.
Shadowfax7 04-26-06, 12:47 PM	To crawl out the gullet on your own, I'd probably still make you succeed on a grapple check, but for the dead monster's check, I'd apply only the size modifier, not its strength and BAB modifiers. (So a huge creature would get just a +8 bonus.) I agree with leaving the size modifier for the grapple check and removing BAB since the creature's size doesn't change upon death, but his ability to grapple (BAB) is gone. However, I disagree with no Str modifirer. A dead creature would have a Str of 0, thus a -5 penalty. Applying this to the example Huge creature, leaves a grapple modifier of +3 (+8 for size, -5 for Str).
dengarbountyhunter 04-26-06, 04:16 PM	yes, but what about damage from the weight of the creature? I think we might consider it like being buried under rubble/snow (SRD rules for avalanches and cave-ins), except for the way to get out, but I'm not sure... I also plan on creating a monster called the Brass Ox. The real thing from which it's based was a brass torture implement shaped like an ox. You put people inside and heat it over a bonfire, and they die horribly... the creature would be a construct with fire damage, DR and swallow whole (fire damage instead of gastric acid)... do you think the swallow whole would be too powerful, as the DR of the creature would make it impossible to damage it from the inside with a light weapon?
Shadowfax7 04-26-06, 05:30 PM	do you think the swallow whole would be too powerful, as the DR of the creature would make it impossible to damage it from the inside with a light weapon? DR 5/adamantine might be OK. Also, fire damage is easier to protect against.