Best Tripping/Disarming Weapon [Archive] - Wizards Community

Best Tripping/Disarming Weapon [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Orenmir
12-05-07, 09:53 AM What's the best weapon for a tripping, disarming, Goliath Warblade? I'd rather not have to take EWP unless the argument is compelling enough. Not interested in reach either.

These qualities are paramount:

Tripping Weapon -- to give the option to drop it if counter-tripped (I can always carry 2!).

2-Handed -- +4 on disarm attempts.

Big Damage Dice -- well, I guess that's just a typical request.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions,
Big O
Slimgauge
12-05-07, 12:05 PM I suggest a Dire Flail or a Heavy Flail. Dire Flail is an exotic weapon, but as a double weapon can be used either two-handed or as a one-handed and a light weapon (multi-weapon penalties apply) that does 1d8/1d8. Heavy flail is a martial two-handed weapon that does 1d10.

Both give a +2 unnamed bonus to disarm opposed rolls (in addition to the +4 for being a two-handed weapon) and both can be used to trip. Both can be dropped to avoid being counter-tripped on a failed attempt.
Goof
12-05-07, 12:17 PM I personally loved my fighter using spiked chain. (reach, tripping, etc) it isn't big damage, but if I can keep the guy on thr ground, or him weaponless, any of my allies can finish them off.
mvincent
12-05-07, 01:25 PM What's the best weapon for a tripping, disarming, Goliath Warblade? Spiked chain.

I'd rather not have to take EWP unless the argument is compelling enough. Not interested in reach either.Yeah... still spiked chain (unless you're already sure that you wouldn't enjoy disarming/tripping people with an AoO when they try to get close to you, or threatening almost the entirety of the battlefield, hindering your opponent's movement, ranged attacks, spell-casting, etc.).

Step 1: Trip opponent with free AoO when they try do almost anything. Damage them with free attack from improved trip.
Step 2: Disarm the opponent with free AoO provoked when they try to stand up.
Step 3: Trip opponent with free AoO provoked when they try to retrieve their weapon. Goto step 1.
BugHunter
12-06-07, 12:02 AM Here are two more the chain lash and the lynxpaw both are exotics. You can use these to avoid the 'Oh! great another spiked chain build'. Nothing against the spiked chain, I've done builds with it including on a rogue that used it for sneak attacks.
Orenmir
12-06-07, 10:21 AM Here are two more the chain lash and the lynxpaw both are exotics. You can use these to avoid the 'Oh! great another spiked chain build'. Nothing against the spiked chain, I've done builds with it including on a rogue that used it for sneak attacks.

What books are the Chain Lash and Lynxpaw in? Or, what makes them better than a Heavy Flail -- enough to warrant EWP? And, thanks for understanding about the Spiked Chain.
Rulebook
12-06-07, 10:58 AM spiked chain hands down. for the EWP you get the reach as well as the trip/disarm bonuses. that ability to trip/disarm from 10' away makes it ungodly nice at this job. why on earth are you not concerned with it? being a goliath dosent give it to you, and having reach AND close range is useful!

trippers/disarmers shouldnt be concerned with damage dice anyway, its not what they're there to do. leave that to the barbarians. besides, your chain will step up in dice with your powerful build anyway.
Orenmir
12-06-07, 11:18 AM I'm not interested in a reach weapon becuase...

1. I already have another build in mind for that: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=14498452&postcount=20

2. If I want reach in this build, I'd rather take a dip in Barbarian for Mountain Rage.
StevenO
12-06-07, 02:01 PM Spiked Chain. Does everything you want at reach or while right next to you.

If you don't want the exotic two-hander then I'd look at the often underrated Flails.
BugHunter
12-06-07, 09:26 PM What books are the Chain Lash and Lynxpaw in? Or, what makes them better than a Heavy Flail -- enough to warrant EWP? And, thanks for understanding about the Spiked Chain.

The chain lash is in Savage Species you can use it as a double weapon or as a reach weapon. The weight is less than the heavy flail and you can use weapon finesse.

The lynxpaw is in Races of the Wild it can be used as a double weapon or use either end as the primary weapon. The weight is less than the heavy flail and you can use weapon finesse. I was mainly trying to give a couple of more options.

After looking at the heavy flail some more, it is good for both the trip and disarm attempts plus having more crunch damage (after the trip) then any of the weapons mentioned.
Tony Vargas
12-07-07, 01:05 PM What's the best weapon for a tripping, disarming, Goliath Warblade? I'd rather not have to take EWP unless the argument is compelling enough. Not interested in reach either.If you don't want reach or EWP, that's two strikes against the Spiked Chain.

The Heavy Flail does everything you want: two-handed, Trip weapon, +2 disarm, good damage (d10 or 2d8 for the large version). It even has a 19-20 threat range.

The Halberd and Scythe are also two-handed trip weapons. Both do piercing & slashing damage. The halberd has the edge on damage (especially when you consider the large versions) and can be set vs a charge, while the Scythe has a x4 crit multiplier (the halberd is x3).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Orenmir 12-05-07, 09:53 AM	What's the best weapon for a tripping, disarming, Goliath Warblade? I'd rather not have to take EWP unless the argument is compelling enough. Not interested in reach either. These qualities are paramount: Tripping Weapon -- to give the option to drop it if counter-tripped (I can always carry 2!). 2-Handed -- +4 on disarm attempts. Big Damage Dice -- well, I guess that's just a typical request. Thanks in advance for the suggestions, Big O
Slimgauge 12-05-07, 12:05 PM	I suggest a Dire Flail or a Heavy Flail. Dire Flail is an exotic weapon, but as a double weapon can be used either two-handed or as a one-handed and a light weapon (multi-weapon penalties apply) that does 1d8/1d8. Heavy flail is a martial two-handed weapon that does 1d10. Both give a +2 unnamed bonus to disarm opposed rolls (in addition to the +4 for being a two-handed weapon) and both can be used to trip. Both can be dropped to avoid being counter-tripped on a failed attempt.
Goof 12-05-07, 12:17 PM	I personally loved my fighter using spiked chain. (reach, tripping, etc) it isn't big damage, but if I can keep the guy on thr ground, or him weaponless, any of my allies can finish them off.
mvincent 12-05-07, 01:25 PM	What's the best weapon for a tripping, disarming, Goliath Warblade? Spiked chain. I'd rather not have to take EWP unless the argument is compelling enough. Not interested in reach either.Yeah... still spiked chain (unless you're already sure that you wouldn't enjoy disarming/tripping people with an AoO when they try to get close to you, or threatening almost the entirety of the battlefield, hindering your opponent's movement, ranged attacks, spell-casting, etc.). Step 1: Trip opponent with free AoO when they try do almost anything. Damage them with free attack from improved trip. Step 2: Disarm the opponent with free AoO provoked when they try to stand up. Step 3: Trip opponent with free AoO provoked when they try to retrieve their weapon. Goto step 1.
BugHunter 12-06-07, 12:02 AM	Here are two more the chain lash and the lynxpaw both are exotics. You can use these to avoid the 'Oh! great another spiked chain build'. Nothing against the spiked chain, I've done builds with it including on a rogue that used it for sneak attacks.
Orenmir 12-06-07, 10:21 AM	Here are two more the chain lash and the lynxpaw both are exotics. You can use these to avoid the 'Oh! great another spiked chain build'. Nothing against the spiked chain, I've done builds with it including on a rogue that used it for sneak attacks. What books are the Chain Lash and Lynxpaw in? Or, what makes them better than a Heavy Flail -- enough to warrant EWP? And, thanks for understanding about the Spiked Chain.
Rulebook 12-06-07, 10:58 AM	spiked chain hands down. for the EWP you get the reach as well as the trip/disarm bonuses. that ability to trip/disarm from 10' away makes it ungodly nice at this job. why on earth are you not concerned with it? being a goliath dosent give it to you, and having reach AND close range is useful! trippers/disarmers shouldnt be concerned with damage dice anyway, its not what they're there to do. leave that to the barbarians. besides, your chain will step up in dice with your powerful build anyway.
Orenmir 12-06-07, 11:18 AM	I'm not interested in a reach weapon becuase... 1. I already have another build in mind for that: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=14498452&postcount=20 2. If I want reach in this build, I'd rather take a dip in Barbarian for Mountain Rage.
StevenO 12-06-07, 02:01 PM	Spiked Chain. Does everything you want at reach or while right next to you. If you don't want the exotic two-hander then I'd look at the often underrated Flails.
BugHunter 12-06-07, 09:26 PM	What books are the Chain Lash and Lynxpaw in? Or, what makes them better than a Heavy Flail -- enough to warrant EWP? And, thanks for understanding about the Spiked Chain. The chain lash is in Savage Species you can use it as a double weapon or as a reach weapon. The weight is less than the heavy flail and you can use weapon finesse. The lynxpaw is in Races of the Wild it can be used as a double weapon or use either end as the primary weapon. The weight is less than the heavy flail and you can use weapon finesse. I was mainly trying to give a couple of more options. After looking at the heavy flail some more, it is good for both the trip and disarm attempts plus having more crunch damage (after the trip) then any of the weapons mentioned.
Tony Vargas 12-07-07, 01:05 PM	What's the best weapon for a tripping, disarming, Goliath Warblade? I'd rather not have to take EWP unless the argument is compelling enough. Not interested in reach either.If you don't want reach or EWP, that's two strikes against the Spiked Chain. The Heavy Flail does everything you want: two-handed, Trip weapon, +2 disarm, good damage (d10 or 2d8 for the large version). It even has a 19-20 threat range. The Halberd and Scythe are also two-handed trip weapons. Both do piercing & slashing damage. The halberd has the edge on damage (especially when you consider the large versions) and can be set vs a charge, while the Scythe has a x4 crit multiplier (the halberd is x3).