Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Shoey 05-20-06, 01:42 PM	Right i know i may sound stupid as i think the rules for these are somewhere but i have no idea where but can any of you enlighten me into the rules surronding bodkin arrows and also Dumb Arrows i.e. ones that are designed to deal non leathal damage (have flat or even round heads) thanks much appreciated
CryoSilver 05-20-06, 03:22 PM	I believe there are blunted arrows in the Arms & Equipment Guide that are just like normal arrows, but deal subdual. I don't know of bodkin arrows, but I think it would be fair to say: +1 attack/-1 damage.
aelryinth 05-20-06, 04:12 PM	I believe bodkin/pile arrows are +2 TH against hard/rigid armor, but do a d4 base dmg (pierce). Pierce arrows normally do d6 and broadheads d8, no? ==Aelryinth
Vahenir 05-20-06, 07:49 PM	D&D does not cover the complexity of how different weapons interact with different types of armour. Therefore, bodkin arrows are functionally no different from any other kind of arrow that deals lethal damage.
Ged Coldplain 05-21-06, 12:22 PM	Well, if you want to go into details then you would find out that arrows really can't penetrate plate under any circumstances... They even did an experiment, and against a typical breastplate (2mm steel), longbow arrows did not penetrate the plates. Besides, the reason the plates where sloped was to deflect arrows so that no arrow would get a direct hit anyways. Just think logically, why would an arrow manage to penetrate two millimetre of hardened steel? I have made quite a few pieces of armour myself, of 1,5 mm steel though, crapply hardened by a novice, and I really can’t pierce that with my tools even. (just tried, got a small crater in the metal, but no penetration.)
Watchman 05-21-06, 01:35 PM	Longbow was one of the things plate armour evolved against. Anyway, I figure that given D&D's very abstract approach to ammunition (breaks in use all the time ? surely thou jest, milord) and wholly nonexistent concern with armour penetration the point is moot; just assume the archer uses whatever sort of arrowhead is suited to whatever he's now shooting at.
Vahenir 05-21-06, 06:35 PM	Of course bodkins don't penetrate plate, Ged - they were designed to defeat mail.
Xaxor 05-21-06, 08:43 PM	Since the Arms and Equipment Guide is 3.0, check out Races of the Wild for blunt arrows, among other variants.
Elthbert 05-21-06, 10:10 PM	Since the Arms and Equipment Guide is 3.0, check out Races of the Wild for blunt arrows, among other variants. 3.0 is not invalid---- Anything not specifically updated or eliminated is still good.
Ged Coldplain 05-22-06, 09:12 AM	Of course bodkins don't penetrate plate, Ged - they were designed to defeat mail. Right, guess i missunderstod here.