Bokken/ Katana [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bokken/ Katana [Archive] - Wizards Community

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KatScratches
04-21-05, 06:47 PM What proficiency does a bokken use, if a person is proficient in using a katana? I have seen damage listed as d10, d6, and proficiency from simple club to katana. I would just search for the info (I -know- someone has asked this before) but for some reason I am not allowed.

Points in favor of club proficiency/damage. It's a wooden stick. About 1 meter long. 'nough said.

Points in favor of katana proficiency/damage. It's used to train for actual swordplay. It can be used in the same manner as a katana, with the same techniques. In the right hands (trained professional) it can do severe damage. Heck, isn't Kendo a similar practice?

Currently, the agreement on my game has been to allow either club or katana proficiency, damage d6, and allow the user to use katana techniques with bokken if known. Anyone else?
Vahenir
04-21-05, 07:46 PM Here's how I deal with wasters in my game (and that's all a bokken is, a Japanese waster).

The fact is, wasters were designed to exactly emulate the use (and usually the weight) of a sword. Therefore it makes absolutely no sense that you would need to be proficient in a club to use one. It's not a club. It's not even used like a club. It's used like a sword of its type.

A waster is based on the sword it is modelled after. The waster's damage is dropped one step, and it crits at 20/x2. And deals bludgeoning damage. In all other ways it is treated as a sword of the type it is made to represent, and functions with all feats and abilities you have related to that type of sword.

So a bokken requires EWP: Bastard Sword (under the core rules, at least) and benefits from feats like Weapon Focus: Katana, and Weapon Specialization: Katana.
Johannixx
04-21-05, 08:49 PM Those sound like good rules to me, Vahenir.
Vahenir
04-21-05, 09:11 PM Thank ya, kindly.
Rulebook
04-21-05, 10:37 PM werent those my rules? ;)
Vahenir
04-22-05, 04:15 AM I don't know - were they? I've been using them for years.
DM Zoc
04-22-05, 04:21 AM The rules I use for any practice weapon: 1/10th the price, deals bludgeoning subdual (non-lethal) damage.
Monkeys Po0p in your MiLk
04-22-05, 05:10 AM Sword and Fist has a weapon equivalency table on page 75 that answers you questions. :dancin: :dancin:
boredgremlin
04-22-05, 05:48 AM I would give practice weapons the same proficiency requirement as the weapons they were modeled after. Wouldnt be very good practice if they were used differently would it? However its basically a club. So it would get club damage. Maybe less if it was really light.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
KatScratches 04-21-05, 06:47 PM	What proficiency does a bokken use, if a person is proficient in using a katana? I have seen damage listed as d10, d6, and proficiency from simple club to katana. I would just search for the info (I -know- someone has asked this before) but for some reason I am not allowed. Points in favor of club proficiency/damage. It's a wooden stick. About 1 meter long. 'nough said. Points in favor of katana proficiency/damage. It's used to train for actual swordplay. It can be used in the same manner as a katana, with the same techniques. In the right hands (trained professional) it can do severe damage. Heck, isn't Kendo a similar practice? Currently, the agreement on my game has been to allow either club or katana proficiency, damage d6, and allow the user to use katana techniques with bokken if known. Anyone else?
Vahenir 04-21-05, 07:46 PM	Here's how I deal with wasters in my game (and that's all a bokken is, a Japanese waster). The fact is, wasters were designed to exactly emulate the use (and usually the weight) of a sword. Therefore it makes absolutely no sense that you would need to be proficient in a club to use one. It's not a club. It's not even used like a club. It's used like a sword of its type. A waster is based on the sword it is modelled after. The waster's damage is dropped one step, and it crits at 20/x2. And deals bludgeoning damage. In all other ways it is treated as a sword of the type it is made to represent, and functions with all feats and abilities you have related to that type of sword. So a bokken requires EWP: Bastard Sword (under the core rules, at least) and benefits from feats like Weapon Focus: Katana, and Weapon Specialization: Katana.
Johannixx 04-21-05, 08:49 PM	Those sound like good rules to me, Vahenir.
Vahenir 04-21-05, 09:11 PM	Thank ya, kindly.
Rulebook 04-21-05, 10:37 PM	werent those my rules? ;)
Vahenir 04-22-05, 04:15 AM	I don't know - were they? I've been using them for years.
DM Zoc 04-22-05, 04:21 AM	The rules I use for any practice weapon: 1/10th the price, deals bludgeoning subdual (non-lethal) damage.
Monkeys Po0p in your MiLk 04-22-05, 05:10 AM	Sword and Fist has a weapon equivalency table on page 75 that answers you questions. :dancin: :dancin:
boredgremlin 04-22-05, 05:48 AM	I would give practice weapons the same proficiency requirement as the weapons they were modeled after. Wouldnt be very good practice if they were used differently would it? However its basically a club. So it would get club damage. Maybe less if it was really light.