Bonus to all stats? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bonus to all stats? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Cayl
06-04-06, 09:39 PM I'm looking for an item that gives a bonus to all stats. I remember reading about it, but now I can't find the reference for it. I seem to remember it was something like a belt/girdle of glory perhaps?

Anyone else seen what I'm thinking of?
Erudite_Bastich
06-04-06, 09:49 PM Belt of Magnificence, I believe, from Miniature's Handbook
__DnD4Life__
06-05-06, 01:52 PM There is also a spell in PHB2, its a 4th level cleric spell, and sor/wiz 4. It gives a +4 to all stats, as an enhancement. If you made it into an item, it would be 4*7*2000=56000GP. Not bad considering all of them separatly would be 96000GP. 58% off! yay! sale time!
Mark1337
06-05-06, 02:00 PM yeah Belt of Magnificence . Or head band.
Merestil Haye
06-05-06, 02:18 PM There is also a spell in PHB2, its a 4th level cleric spell, and sor/wiz 4. It gives a +4 to all stats, as an enhancement. If you made it into an item, it would be 4*7*2000=56000GP. Not bad considering all of them separatly would be 96000GP. 58% off! yay! sale time!Pricing an item starts by finding a comparator item that does the same thing, not by the often weird "Continuous Item" priceguide of last resort.

In this case we have a clear formula to follow; bonus2*1,000. Use that, and not the continuous item pricing method, as a first approximation.

Creating an item with separate +4 enhancements to each ability would total at 16,000 + 16,000*1½*5 = 136,000 (even neglecting body-slot affinity issues). 56k is well underpriced. 96k might be a reasonable price (and a lot of DMs would charge you every penny, even including body-slot issues which would add another 32 or 40k to the price).
SilentOne
06-05-06, 02:25 PM You forget the "multiple similar abilities" modifier. That would make it...

16,000 + 16,000*.75*1.5 + 16,000*.5*1.5*4 = 82,000

without body slot issues, which I don't think would apply here if you made it a cloak or robe (transformation and multiple abilities, respectively). This sounds like an appropriate price to me.
Bulletproof_Condom
06-05-06, 02:28 PM Sword & Fist priced the headband of perfect excellence +6 at 180,000 gp. Strength, Dexterity, and Wisdom.

Somewhat less magnificient than all six stats.

There is also a spell in PHB2, its a 4th level cleric spell, and sor/wiz 4. It gives a +4 to all stats, as an enhancement. If you made it into an item, it would blah blah blah...
No. Stop. You don't get to pick the pricing method that gives you the cheapest price. The spell level method is the last resort. It's the method you use when no other existing method applies, and it's only a guideline, often generating a price that's too low for the effect being granted.

If you like the spell so much, get a staff.
Merestil Haye
06-05-06, 03:52 PM You forget the "multiple similar abilities" modifier. That would make it...

16,000 + 16,000*.75*1.5 + 16,000*.5*1.5*4 = 82,000

without body slot issues, which I don't think would apply here if you made it a cloak or robe (transformation and multiple abilities, respectively). This sounds like an appropriate price to me.I forgot no such thing. It does not apply.

An item that enhances multiple abilites does not have multiple similar powers, but multiple unrelated powers. The second (and all subsequent) powers cost 1½ times the book price. They do not get a sliding discount. You certainly do not apply both the similar-power discount and the unrelated-power surcharge.

As for the body-slot business, "Transformation" would mean shapechanging type effects or effects which grant new abilities. A headband or helmet is appropriate for mental ability enhancement but not physical; belts for physical improvement but not mental. As for robes I'm quite happy to go along with the suggestion that it's an appropriate bodyslot for all six (unless someone can show otherwise).
Merestil Haye
06-05-06, 03:55 PM Sword & Fist priced the headband of perfect excellence +6 at 180,000 gp. Strength, Dexterity, and Wisdom.

Somewhat less magnificient than all six stats.Pricing rules have changed a bit since 3.0; for one thing, the surcharge for unrelated powers has come down from 2* to 1½*. The 180k price depends on the old, double-cost factor (36+72+72 = 180). The price under 3.5 rules is 144k.

No. Stop. You don't get to pick the pricing method that gives you the cheapest price. The spell level method is the last resort. It's the method you use when no other existing method applies, and it's only a guideline, often generating a price that's too low for the effect being granted.

If you like the spell so much, get a staff.Amen.
kalstrand
06-05-06, 04:37 PM Or compare them to similar items which would bring you back to the Belt of Magnificence whihc is 25,000 for a +2, 100,000 for a +4, or 200,000 for a +6 to all stats.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Cayl 06-04-06, 09:39 PM	I'm looking for an item that gives a bonus to all stats. I remember reading about it, but now I can't find the reference for it. I seem to remember it was something like a belt/girdle of glory perhaps? Anyone else seen what I'm thinking of?
Erudite_Bastich 06-04-06, 09:49 PM	Belt of Magnificence, I believe, from Miniature's Handbook
__DnD4Life__ 06-05-06, 01:52 PM	There is also a spell in PHB2, its a 4th level cleric spell, and sor/wiz 4. It gives a +4 to all stats, as an enhancement. If you made it into an item, it would be 472000=56000GP. Not bad considering all of them separatly would be 96000GP. 58% off! yay! sale time!
Mark1337 06-05-06, 02:00 PM	yeah Belt of Magnificence . Or head band.
Merestil Haye 06-05-06, 02:18 PM	There is also a spell in PHB2, its a 4th level cleric spell, and sor/wiz 4. It gives a +4 to all stats, as an enhancement. If you made it into an item, it would be 472000=56000GP. Not bad considering all of them separatly would be 96000GP. 58% off! yay! sale time!Pricing an item starts by finding a comparator item that does the same thing, not by the often weird "Continuous Item" priceguide of last resort. In this case we have a clear formula to follow; bonus21,000. Use that, and not the continuous item pricing method, as a first approximation. Creating an item with separate +4 enhancements to each ability would total at 16,000 + 16,0001½*5 = 136,000 (even neglecting body-slot affinity issues). 56k is well underpriced. 96k might be a reasonable price (and a lot of DMs would charge you every penny, even including body-slot issues which would add another 32 or 40k to the price).
SilentOne 06-05-06, 02:25 PM	You forget the "multiple similar abilities" modifier. That would make it... 16,000 + 16,000.751.5 + 16,000.51.5*4 = 82,000 without body slot issues, which I don't think would apply here if you made it a cloak or robe (transformation and multiple abilities, respectively). This sounds like an appropriate price to me.
Bulletproof_Condom 06-05-06, 02:28 PM	Sword & Fist priced the headband of perfect excellence +6 at 180,000 gp. Strength, Dexterity, and Wisdom. Somewhat less magnificient than all six stats. There is also a spell in PHB2, its a 4th level cleric spell, and sor/wiz 4. It gives a +4 to all stats, as an enhancement. If you made it into an item, it would blah blah blah... No. Stop. You don't get to pick the pricing method that gives you the cheapest price. The spell level method is the last resort. It's the method you use when no other existing method applies, and it's only a guideline, often generating a price that's too low for the effect being granted. If you like the spell so much, get a staff.
Merestil Haye 06-05-06, 03:52 PM	You forget the "multiple similar abilities" modifier. That would make it... 16,000 + 16,000.751.5 + 16,000.51.5*4 = 82,000 without body slot issues, which I don't think would apply here if you made it a cloak or robe (transformation and multiple abilities, respectively). This sounds like an appropriate price to me.I forgot no such thing. It does not apply. An item that enhances multiple abilites does not have multiple similar powers, but multiple unrelated powers. The second (and all subsequent) powers cost 1½ times the book price. They do not get a sliding discount. You certainly do not apply both the similar-power discount and the unrelated-power surcharge. As for the body-slot business, "Transformation" would mean shapechanging type effects or effects which grant new abilities. A headband or helmet is appropriate for mental ability enhancement but not physical; belts for physical improvement but not mental. As for robes I'm quite happy to go along with the suggestion that it's an appropriate bodyslot for all six (unless someone can show otherwise).
Merestil Haye 06-05-06, 03:55 PM	Sword & Fist priced the headband of perfect excellence +6 at 180,000 gp. Strength, Dexterity, and Wisdom. Somewhat less magnificient than all six stats.Pricing rules have changed a bit since 3.0; for one thing, the surcharge for unrelated powers has come down from 2* to 1½*. The 180k price depends on the old, double-cost factor (36+72+72 = 180). The price under 3.5 rules is 144k. No. Stop. You don't get to pick the pricing method that gives you the cheapest price. The spell level method is the last resort. It's the method you use when no other existing method applies, and it's only a guideline, often generating a price that's too low for the effect being granted. If you like the spell so much, get a staff.Amen.
kalstrand 06-05-06, 04:37 PM	Or compare them to similar items which would bring you back to the Belt of Magnificence whihc is 25,000 for a +2, 100,000 for a +4, or 200,000 for a +6 to all stats.