Breaking up a full attack. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Breaking up a full attack. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Mindolin
11-30-07, 03:16 PM Is it possible to break up a full attack with other actions that wouldn't preclude you from making a full attack? For example, can I have my Fighter/Horizon Walker make a full attack, then after the first attack use a Quickened Dimension Door to teleport somewhere else to continue?
Wheldrake
11-30-07, 03:30 PM I would argue that you can't. The full attack option is intended to require the character to spend his entire round doing nothing but attack. So you'd attack once, then cast your spell, and at best get an extra 5-foot step in there somewhere. Then full attack the next round.

This said, I'd be curious if anyone else has a different slant on the question.

Cheers, --- Phil
DwafRurik
11-30-07, 03:33 PM A Full attack is attacking with melee or ranged weapon only.

making one attack then using your teleport spell would be two standard actions which inst allowed. You get one standard action and one move action.

Exception: if you get the heroic surge feat(in ebberon and some supplementary books) you can have one addtional standard action per round a certain number of times per day.

So no you could not attack and teleport away the same turn.
CaptainPicard
11-30-07, 03:33 PM I think you can take swift and free actions during a full attack, and I know you can take a five foot step. True, the idea is that they are using their whole round to attack, but for sure you can take a full attack action and then cast a Quickened spell or cast the spell then attack. I don't see a reason why you couldn't do it during the attacks.

Edit: Guys, he did say it was a Quickened spell.
DwafRurik
11-30-07, 03:35 PM Oops yeah if it was a quicken spell then yeah. You could full attack then use the spell but you would prob provoke Attacks of opportunity unless you attack with a ranged weapon.
mvincent
11-30-07, 04:36 PM Is it possible to break up a full attack with other actions that wouldn't preclude you from making a full attack?Usually, yes.

For example, can I have my Fighter/Horizon Walker make a full attack, then after the first attack use a Quickened Dimension Door to teleport somewhere else to continue?Nope. Dimension Door (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dimensionDoor.htm) says:
"After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn"

(Also note that you couldn't quicken dimension door until level 16... but good thinking in considering this feat for a horizon walker. I might do that myself when my HW reaches 16th level.)
Mindolin
11-30-07, 06:20 PM Darn, I always forget that part of the spell. Then maybe with some other type of spell, quickened, obviously. Thanks for the answers, look forward to hear what others may say.
Wait, it's an extra standard action in Eberron? In Dragonlance and D20 Modern, it's an attack action. Are you sure of that?
mvincent
11-30-07, 06:26 PM Then maybe with some other type of spell, quickened, obviously.Archmagi can eventually get teleport as a spell-like ability. This is perfect for the quicken spell-like ability feat.

Also note: allies (with readied actions) could theoretically be brought along when using dimension door or teleport.

As for your original example: between attacks, when making a full attack, you can do things like:
1) Take a (single) 5' step.
2) Drop a weapon
3) Quick-draw a weapon
4) Drop prone
5) Cast a quickened spell
6) Activate rage
7) Make a free action
8) Make a swift action
9) Make an immediate action
etc.
InkBlot
11-30-07, 06:30 PM You can take swift actions any time you could take a free action, and you can take free actions in the middle of other actions. So yes, you can take a swift action between attacks in a full attack.

There are lots of swift action teleport effects available now. Most of them don't have that clause about not being able to take actions afterwards. Look in the Expanded Psionics Handbook, Complete Psionics, Spell Compendium, Magic Item Compendium, Tome Of Battle, and Player's Handbook II.
Tony Vargas
11-30-07, 06:36 PM Is it possible to break up a full attack with other actions that wouldn't preclude you from making a full attack? Yes. That's generally only free actions, but it's possible. You can make your first attack, take a 5' step, make your second attack, then drop your melee weapon, quickdraw a bow and make your remaining itterative attacks at range, for instance.

You can also decide /after/ making your first attack whether you want to continue making a full attack, or take some other action.
RobbyPants
11-30-07, 06:44 PM What about the Abrupt Jaunt ACF for a conjuration specialist in the PHB2? You get a 10 foot teleport as an immediate action.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mindolin 11-30-07, 03:16 PM	Is it possible to break up a full attack with other actions that wouldn't preclude you from making a full attack? For example, can I have my Fighter/Horizon Walker make a full attack, then after the first attack use a Quickened Dimension Door to teleport somewhere else to continue?
Wheldrake 11-30-07, 03:30 PM	I would argue that you can't. The full attack option is intended to require the character to spend his entire round doing nothing but attack. So you'd attack once, then cast your spell, and at best get an extra 5-foot step in there somewhere. Then full attack the next round. This said, I'd be curious if anyone else has a different slant on the question. Cheers, --- Phil
DwafRurik 11-30-07, 03:33 PM	A Full attack is attacking with melee or ranged weapon only. making one attack then using your teleport spell would be two standard actions which inst allowed. You get one standard action and one move action. Exception: if you get the heroic surge feat(in ebberon and some supplementary books) you can have one addtional standard action per round a certain number of times per day. So no you could not attack and teleport away the same turn.
CaptainPicard 11-30-07, 03:33 PM	I think you can take swift and free actions during a full attack, and I know you can take a five foot step. True, the idea is that they are using their whole round to attack, but for sure you can take a full attack action and then cast a Quickened spell or cast the spell then attack. I don't see a reason why you couldn't do it during the attacks. Edit: Guys, he did say it was a Quickened spell.
DwafRurik 11-30-07, 03:35 PM	Oops yeah if it was a quicken spell then yeah. You could full attack then use the spell but you would prob provoke Attacks of opportunity unless you attack with a ranged weapon.
mvincent 11-30-07, 04:36 PM	Is it possible to break up a full attack with other actions that wouldn't preclude you from making a full attack?Usually, yes. For example, can I have my Fighter/Horizon Walker make a full attack, then after the first attack use a Quickened Dimension Door to teleport somewhere else to continue?Nope. Dimension Door (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dimensionDoor.htm) says: "After using this spell, you can’t take any other actions until your next turn" (Also note that you couldn't quicken dimension door until level 16... but good thinking in considering this feat for a horizon walker. I might do that myself when my HW reaches 16th level.)
Mindolin 11-30-07, 06:20 PM	Darn, I always forget that part of the spell. Then maybe with some other type of spell, quickened, obviously. Thanks for the answers, look forward to hear what others may say. Wait, it's an extra standard action in Eberron? In Dragonlance and D20 Modern, it's an attack action. Are you sure of that?
mvincent 11-30-07, 06:26 PM	Then maybe with some other type of spell, quickened, obviously.Archmagi can eventually get teleport as a spell-like ability. This is perfect for the quicken spell-like ability feat. Also note: allies (with readied actions) could theoretically be brought along when using dimension door or teleport. As for your original example: between attacks, when making a full attack, you can do things like: 1) Take a (single) 5' step. 2) Drop a weapon 3) Quick-draw a weapon 4) Drop prone 5) Cast a quickened spell 6) Activate rage 7) Make a free action 8) Make a swift action 9) Make an immediate action etc.
InkBlot 11-30-07, 06:30 PM	You can take swift actions any time you could take a free action, and you can take free actions in the middle of other actions. So yes, you can take a swift action between attacks in a full attack. There are lots of swift action teleport effects available now. Most of them don't have that clause about not being able to take actions afterwards. Look in the Expanded Psionics Handbook, Complete Psionics, Spell Compendium, Magic Item Compendium, Tome Of Battle, and Player's Handbook II.
Tony Vargas 11-30-07, 06:36 PM	Is it possible to break up a full attack with other actions that wouldn't preclude you from making a full attack? Yes. That's generally only free actions, but it's possible. You can make your first attack, take a 5' step, make your second attack, then drop your melee weapon, quickdraw a bow and make your remaining itterative attacks at range, for instance. You can also decide /after/ making your first attack whether you want to continue making a full attack, or take some other action.
RobbyPants 11-30-07, 06:44 PM	What about the Abrupt Jaunt ACF for a conjuration specialist in the PHB2? You get a 10 foot teleport as an immediate action.