Broadsword??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Broadsword??? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Zaknafein43608
05-21-06, 05:32 PM Is there still a broadsword in D&D? If so, what are the stats on it please?
Elf_Jedi
05-21-06, 06:34 PM I'm not sure on the exact the stats, but I think their similar to a longsword's.

Don't qoute me on that though.
Watchman
05-21-06, 06:36 PM Longsword.

And if some add-on designer has gone and made separate stats for it, s/he ought to be jailed for Cluttering With Intent.
Vahenir
05-21-06, 06:36 PM No.

( Long Answer: )

The term 'broadsword' is a meaningless 'Enlightenment' term for any sword wider in the blade than a rapier. This means that every sword in D&D, except for the rapier, is, in fact, a broadsword.
Bulletproof_Condom
05-21-06, 07:15 PM A broadsword is any sword useable only by women.
Drachasor
05-21-06, 07:18 PM A broadsword is any sword useable only by women.

So they are somewhere between 10% and 30% cheaper than otherwise equivalent swords?
Seerow
05-21-06, 07:23 PM XD my girlfriend said she wants a broadsword now. Thanks alot BC.
DaMullet
05-21-06, 07:27 PM A broadsword is any sword useable only by women.

Quoted for truth. Sigged for posterity.
Vahenir
05-21-06, 07:41 PM A broadsword is any sword useable only by women.

:rofl: :rofl:

Oh man. . . you'd better put on your cup.
SokenzanMarauder
05-21-06, 09:23 PM A broadsword is any sword useable only by women.

Sigged (due to halarity).

I give it a week before this thread is swarmed by angry female gamers.

-Gene
DaMullet
05-21-06, 09:32 PM It seems you underestimate the size of the female Wizards population.

I counter your offer with 5 days.
Seerow
05-21-06, 09:34 PM I'd take that bet, but then the female gamers would come here just to watch me lose some money.
GhostStepper
05-21-06, 09:34 PM There are women on the wizards boards? ;)
Esponer
05-21-06, 09:48 PM There are women on the wizards boards? ;)

There are always men who are willing to pretend just to make people lose their bets. Or men who are just... willing to pretend.
DaMullet
05-21-06, 09:55 PM So true... And disturbing...
feartheinvinceblehamster
05-21-06, 10:10 PM If you look in the Munchkin card game, there is in fact a weapon called a broadsword usable only be females. I still prefer it's male equivelent, the Gentleman's Club.
jagggar
05-21-06, 10:15 PM Wait, what am I supposed to be angry about?

And do you know how tempting it is to ask about the hardness of the Gentleman's Club?
Seerow
05-21-06, 10:17 PM Well, I don't know about it's hardness, but I'd say it's at -least- 24 inches long.
Vahenir
05-21-06, 10:33 PM And do you know how tempting it is to ask about the hardness of the Gentleman's Club?

I think you'd have to specify the circumstances.
Legendary_Minotaur
05-21-06, 11:24 PM In the Sword and Fist they made a table that gave weapon equivalinces(SP?), and Broadsword was the equivalent of the longsword.
BeyondFated
05-21-06, 11:27 PM I think you'd have to specify the circumstances.
Ahhhh... the innuendo is both mildly disturbing... and highly disturbing. Especially with the 24 inch comment... :nonono:
Bulletproof_Condom
05-21-06, 11:55 PM The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable.

Discuss.
myusernameis
05-22-06, 12:43 AM Ahhhh... the innuendo is both mildly disturbing... and highly disturbing. Especially with the 24 inch comment... :nonono:
Ah just like home.
Vahenir
05-22-06, 12:56 AM The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable.

Discuss.

You, sir, win the Internet.
Johannixx
05-22-06, 01:37 AM Don't forget it can be used as a ranged weapon, but making such an attack is a full-round action at the very least.

On a side note, how long do you think it'll take for a WizO to lock this thread? My money's on 15 minutes or less.
jagggar
05-22-06, 04:48 AM Circumstance?
I'm planning a sunder attempt with a shatterspike made out of adamantine.

Now, what was I supposed to be mad about again?
Vahenir
05-22-06, 05:23 AM :smirk:

I love it when a woman gets fiesty.
Sunrider
05-22-06, 06:52 AM To answer the original question:

Depends on how you envisage the sword.

Is it a big, two-handed weapon? Greatsword or greataxe mechanics (depends on how you see your character using it).
Is it a one-handed chopper? Longsword or battleaxe.
Can it be used either way? Bastard sword or dwarven waraxe.

Screw the fluff text (that includes the D&D name of the weapon) and use the mechanics. Just call it a broadsword, describe it as looking like one and be done with it.
Zaknafein43608
05-22-06, 09:17 AM I was picturing it as having a wider blade and a one-handed pommel. In AD&D it was listed as doing 2d4 or 2d6 (I can't remember, as it has been 20 years since I played AD&D) points of damage as a M-sized weapon. Can anyone chime in here and help, instead of being sarcastic about my valid question?
striderII
05-22-06, 09:34 AM I was picturing it as having a wider blade and a one-handed pommel. In AD&D it was listed as doing 2d4 or 2d6 (I can't remember, as it has been 20 years since I played AD&D) points of damage as a M-sized weapon. Can anyone chime in here and help, instead of being sarcastic about my valid question?

Dude...several people already told you no. As in, there isn't a "broadsword" in D&D anymore.

Side note - I believe you meant "one-handed hilt" rather than "pommel" - the pommel is the counter-weight to the blade, and isn't a typical grip (although I've seen styles where people did this; however, I'm unsure as to the historical accuracy of such styles. I'm sure Vahenir or Johannixx can clarify there).

strider
Zaknafein43608
05-22-06, 09:43 AM Dude...several people already told you no. As in, there isn't a "broadsword" in D&D anymore.

Side note - I believe you meant "one-handed hilt" rather than "pommel" - the pommel is the counter-weight to the blade, and isn't a typical grip (although I've seen styles where people did this; however, I'm unsure as to the historical accuracy of such styles. I'm sure Vahenir or Johannixx can clarify there).

strider
Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I thought that all the no's were for other people about their answers. I guess it is an oversight on keeping the broadsword in 3.0 and 3.5 versions. Also, thank you on my mistake on the sword part I was referencing. That is what I meant. *Doh!* on my part.
striderII
05-22-06, 11:35 AM Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I thought that all the no's were for other people about their answers. I guess it is an oversight on keeping the broadsword in 3.0 and 3.5 versions. Also, thank you on my mistake on the sword part I was referencing. That is what I meant. *Doh!* on my part.

Look no further than the 4th post in this thread (and the two preceeding it) - they're all quite obviously in direct response to you. I only pointed out the 4th post because it's the first one with a definitive "No".

strider
Tony Vargas
05-22-06, 03:05 PM I was picturing it as having a wider blade and a one-handed pommel. In AD&D it was listed as doing 2d4 or 2d6 points of damage as a M-sized weapon. Can anyone chime in here and help, instead of being sarcastic about my valid question? The AD&D broadsword did 2-8/2-7, and was just a heavier (wider-bladed) sword.

The D&D sword 'names' are descriptive, rather than historical. A longsword is just longer than a shortsword, which is just shorter than other swords, while a greatsword is just really big, requiring two hands, and a 'bastard' sword just between the great & long versions in size. A paleo-D&D 'broad'sword, then would just be a one-handed sword that's wider along the blade, and thus heavier; you do see the name used (as Vanhenir pointed out), as a term historically used to designate sword heavier than contemporaneous rapiers, by antiquarians specifically to refer to certain types of single-edged swords with basket hilts, and, in fantasy fiction to describe, big, wide-bladed swords with rudimentary points.

If you want to include such an apocryphal weapon in your D&D game, you could harken back to the AD&D stats, and give it 2d4 (20/x2) slashing damage, as a one-handed, martial weapon - stats which reflect it's (ahistorical) reputation as a heavy, unsophisticated cutting weapon. I also like to give it a few more hps than usual for a bladed weapon, to further model the 'heavy weapon' feel (nothing to do with realism, obviously, since we're not talking about a real historical weapon, at all).

Other options would include counting it as a longsword; counting it as a longsword, but giving the longsword piercing & slashing and the broadsword slashing-only; counting it as a bastard sword (again, possibly with the same slashing-only distinction); or having it work as a bastard sword for proficiency (exotic one-handed, martial two), but giving it 2d4 (19-20/x2) damage, just to be a little different.
DaMullet
05-22-06, 03:12 PM The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable.

Discuss.

Sigged. Again.
Kresalak
05-22-06, 03:15 PM The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable.

Discuss.
Another thing from you in the same thread I have to sig.
Sir Knight
05-22-06, 08:01 PM Actually in the EverQuest d20 RPG there IS a broadsword. I personally see a "longsword" and "broadsword" as two different weapons. The broadsword is heavier and thicker (hence a little slower but does more damage).

The stats in the EQRPG rulebook are:

Broad Sword: This middle-length blade is unusually wide, making it good for hacking as well as slashing. The difference is subtle, and for seriouis hacking, an axe is the weapon of choice.

Martial Weapon - one-handed - 13gp - 1d10 dmg - x2 crit - 6 lbs - Slashing

I'm using it with my new Knight character actually. I really dig it. Less criticals but slightly more damage. Fair trade to me if you compare to the other weapons and how they compare.
Vahenir
05-22-06, 08:10 PM Actually in the EverQuest d20 RPG there IS a broadsword.

The OP asked if there was a broadsword in D&D, not if there was a broadsword in the entire scope of the d20 system. Big difference. Your point is moot.

There is also a broadsword in the Conan RPG. Which, again, would be irrelevant to the question posed.

Broad Sword: This middle-length blade is unusually wide, making it good for hacking as well as slashing. The difference is subtle, and for seriouis hacking, an axe is the weapon of choice.

Total fantasy, anyway. An 'unusually wide' blade would make for a pretty crappy weapon.

In any event, the answer has already been given. D&D hasn't had a 'broadsword' since 2E, and whatever one considers to be a broadsword is, generally speaking, covered by the 'longsword' entry.
Sir Knight
05-22-06, 08:18 PM The OP asked if there was a broadsword in D&D, not if there was a broadsword in the entire scope of the d20 system. Big difference. Your point is moot.

There is also a broadsword in the Conan RPG. Which, again, would be irrelevant to the question posed.

Total fantasy, anyway. An 'unusually wide' blade would make for a pretty crappy weapon.

In any event, the answer has already been given. D&D hasn't had a 'broadsword' since 2E, and whatever one considers to be a broadsword is, generally speaking, covered by the 'longsword' entry.

Oh and I'm not allowed to share some insight with the OPer? Who made you God of the Message Boards? Your reply makes you sound arrogant and basically like a total jerk. Try finding some tact and etiquette.
Kresalak
05-22-06, 08:29 PM Oh and I'm not allowed to share some insight with the OPer? Who made you God of the Message Boards? Your reply makes you sound arrogant and basically like a total jerk. Try finding some tact and etiquette.
Didn't you know? Vahenir was voted God in a landslide victory last month.
Vahenir
05-22-06, 08:52 PM Oh and I'm not allowed to share some insight with the OPer? Who made you God of the Message Boards? Your reply makes you sound arrogant and basically like a total jerk. Try finding some tact and etiquette

Would you like a tissue, or shall we leave you to just cry into your mother's skirt? Seriously, grow up. Not everything is a personal shot against you - so stop taking it that way. I'll point out that nothing that -I- said was insulting or flaming, unlike your little post, champ.

Talk about lack of tact and etiquette. Pot, meet kettle.

Didn't you know? Vahenir was voted God in a landslide victory last month.

In all fairness, I George W. Bushed it.
Johannixx
05-22-06, 09:01 PM In all fairness, I George W. Bushed it.

Wow. Three sig-worthy one-liners in one thread! That's gotta be a record.
DaMullet
05-22-06, 09:51 PM I'd make it four, but then I'd need to say something noteworthy.
WizO_Cat
05-22-06, 11:06 PM Wow, we have:

- Spamming
- Discussion of real life political figures
- Baiting

You know what is next, so don't act surprised ..

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Zaknafein43608 05-21-06, 05:32 PM	Is there still a broadsword in D&D? If so, what are the stats on it please?
Elf_Jedi 05-21-06, 06:34 PM	I'm not sure on the exact the stats, but I think their similar to a longsword's. Don't qoute me on that though.
Watchman 05-21-06, 06:36 PM	Longsword. And if some add-on designer has gone and made separate stats for it, s/he ought to be jailed for Cluttering With Intent.
Vahenir 05-21-06, 06:36 PM	No. ( Long Answer: ) The term 'broadsword' is a meaningless 'Enlightenment' term for any sword wider in the blade than a rapier. This means that every sword in D&D, except for the rapier, is, in fact, a broadsword.
Bulletproof_Condom 05-21-06, 07:15 PM	A broadsword is any sword useable only by women.
Drachasor 05-21-06, 07:18 PM	A broadsword is any sword useable only by women. So they are somewhere between 10% and 30% cheaper than otherwise equivalent swords?
Seerow 05-21-06, 07:23 PM	XD my girlfriend said she wants a broadsword now. Thanks alot BC.
DaMullet 05-21-06, 07:27 PM	A broadsword is any sword useable only by women. Quoted for truth. Sigged for posterity.
Vahenir 05-21-06, 07:41 PM	A broadsword is any sword useable only by women. :rofl: :rofl: Oh man. . . you'd better put on your cup.
SokenzanMarauder 05-21-06, 09:23 PM	A broadsword is any sword useable only by women. Sigged (due to halarity). I give it a week before this thread is swarmed by angry female gamers. -Gene
DaMullet 05-21-06, 09:32 PM	It seems you underestimate the size of the female Wizards population. I counter your offer with 5 days.
Seerow 05-21-06, 09:34 PM	I'd take that bet, but then the female gamers would come here just to watch me lose some money.
GhostStepper 05-21-06, 09:34 PM	There are women on the wizards boards? ;)
Esponer 05-21-06, 09:48 PM	There are women on the wizards boards? ;) There are always men who are willing to pretend just to make people lose their bets. Or men who are just... willing to pretend.
DaMullet 05-21-06, 09:55 PM	So true... And disturbing...
feartheinvinceblehamster 05-21-06, 10:10 PM	If you look in the Munchkin card game, there is in fact a weapon called a broadsword usable only be females. I still prefer it's male equivelent, the Gentleman's Club.
jagggar 05-21-06, 10:15 PM	Wait, what am I supposed to be angry about? And do you know how tempting it is to ask about the hardness of the Gentleman's Club?
Seerow 05-21-06, 10:17 PM	Well, I don't know about it's hardness, but I'd say it's at -least- 24 inches long.
Vahenir 05-21-06, 10:33 PM	And do you know how tempting it is to ask about the hardness of the Gentleman's Club? I think you'd have to specify the circumstances.
Legendary_Minotaur 05-21-06, 11:24 PM	In the Sword and Fist they made a table that gave weapon equivalinces(SP?), and Broadsword was the equivalent of the longsword.
BeyondFated 05-21-06, 11:27 PM	I think you'd have to specify the circumstances. Ahhhh... the innuendo is both mildly disturbing... and highly disturbing. Especially with the 24 inch comment... :nonono:
Bulletproof_Condom 05-21-06, 11:55 PM	The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable. Discuss.
myusernameis 05-22-06, 12:43 AM	Ahhhh... the innuendo is both mildly disturbing... and highly disturbing. Especially with the 24 inch comment... :nonono: Ah just like home.
Vahenir 05-22-06, 12:56 AM	The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable. Discuss. You, sir, win the Internet.
Johannixx 05-22-06, 01:37 AM	Don't forget it can be used as a ranged weapon, but making such an attack is a full-round action at the very least. On a side note, how long do you think it'll take for a WizO to lock this thread? My money's on 15 minutes or less.
jagggar 05-22-06, 04:48 AM	Circumstance? I'm planning a sunder attempt with a shatterspike made out of adamantine. Now, what was I supposed to be mad about again?
Vahenir 05-22-06, 05:23 AM	:smirk: I love it when a woman gets fiesty.
Sunrider 05-22-06, 06:52 AM	To answer the original question: Depends on how you envisage the sword. Is it a big, two-handed weapon? Greatsword or greataxe mechanics (depends on how you see your character using it). Is it a one-handed chopper? Longsword or battleaxe. Can it be used either way? Bastard sword or dwarven waraxe. Screw the fluff text (that includes the D&D name of the weapon) and use the mechanics. Just call it a broadsword, describe it as looking like one and be done with it.
Zaknafein43608 05-22-06, 09:17 AM	I was picturing it as having a wider blade and a one-handed pommel. In AD&D it was listed as doing 2d4 or 2d6 (I can't remember, as it has been 20 years since I played AD&D) points of damage as a M-sized weapon. Can anyone chime in here and help, instead of being sarcastic about my valid question?
striderII 05-22-06, 09:34 AM	I was picturing it as having a wider blade and a one-handed pommel. In AD&D it was listed as doing 2d4 or 2d6 (I can't remember, as it has been 20 years since I played AD&D) points of damage as a M-sized weapon. Can anyone chime in here and help, instead of being sarcastic about my valid question? Dude...several people already told you no. As in, there isn't a "broadsword" in D&D anymore. Side note - I believe you meant "one-handed hilt" rather than "pommel" - the pommel is the counter-weight to the blade, and isn't a typical grip (although I've seen styles where people did this; however, I'm unsure as to the historical accuracy of such styles. I'm sure Vahenir or Johannixx can clarify there). strider
Zaknafein43608 05-22-06, 09:43 AM	Dude...several people already told you no. As in, there isn't a "broadsword" in D&D anymore. Side note - I believe you meant "one-handed hilt" rather than "pommel" - the pommel is the counter-weight to the blade, and isn't a typical grip (although I've seen styles where people did this; however, I'm unsure as to the historical accuracy of such styles. I'm sure Vahenir or Johannixx can clarify there). strider Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I thought that all the no's were for other people about their answers. I guess it is an oversight on keeping the broadsword in 3.0 and 3.5 versions. Also, thank you on my mistake on the sword part I was referencing. That is what I meant. Doh! on my part.
striderII 05-22-06, 11:35 AM	Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. I thought that all the no's were for other people about their answers. I guess it is an oversight on keeping the broadsword in 3.0 and 3.5 versions. Also, thank you on my mistake on the sword part I was referencing. That is what I meant. Doh! on my part. Look no further than the 4th post in this thread (and the two preceeding it) - they're all quite obviously in direct response to you. I only pointed out the 4th post because it's the first one with a definitive "No". strider
Tony Vargas 05-22-06, 03:05 PM	I was picturing it as having a wider blade and a one-handed pommel. In AD&D it was listed as doing 2d4 or 2d6 points of damage as a M-sized weapon. Can anyone chime in here and help, instead of being sarcastic about my valid question? The AD&D broadsword did 2-8/2-7, and was just a heavier (wider-bladed) sword. The D&D sword 'names' are descriptive, rather than historical. A longsword is just longer than a shortsword, which is just shorter than other swords, while a greatsword is just really big, requiring two hands, and a 'bastard' sword just between the great & long versions in size. A paleo-D&D 'broad'sword, then would just be a one-handed sword that's wider along the blade, and thus heavier; you do see the name used (as Vanhenir pointed out), as a term historically used to designate sword heavier than contemporaneous rapiers, by antiquarians specifically to refer to certain types of single-edged swords with basket hilts, and, in fantasy fiction to describe, big, wide-bladed swords with rudimentary points. If you want to include such an apocryphal weapon in your D&D game, you could harken back to the AD&D stats, and give it 2d4 (20/x2) slashing damage, as a one-handed, martial weapon - stats which reflect it's (ahistorical) reputation as a heavy, unsophisticated cutting weapon. I also like to give it a few more hps than usual for a bladed weapon, to further model the 'heavy weapon' feel (nothing to do with realism, obviously, since we're not talking about a real historical weapon, at all). Other options would include counting it as a longsword; counting it as a longsword, but giving the longsword piercing & slashing and the broadsword slashing-only; counting it as a bastard sword (again, possibly with the same slashing-only distinction); or having it work as a bastard sword for proficiency (exotic one-handed, martial two), but giving it 2d4 (19-20/x2) damage, just to be a little different.
DaMullet 05-22-06, 03:12 PM	The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable. Discuss. Sigged. Again.
Kresalak 05-22-06, 03:15 PM	The gentlemen's club is a two-handed piercing weapon. Finessable. Discuss. Another thing from you in the same thread I have to sig.
Sir Knight 05-22-06, 08:01 PM	Actually in the EverQuest d20 RPG there IS a broadsword. I personally see a "longsword" and "broadsword" as two different weapons. The broadsword is heavier and thicker (hence a little slower but does more damage). The stats in the EQRPG rulebook are: Broad Sword: This middle-length blade is unusually wide, making it good for hacking as well as slashing. The difference is subtle, and for seriouis hacking, an axe is the weapon of choice. Martial Weapon - one-handed - 13gp - 1d10 dmg - x2 crit - 6 lbs - Slashing I'm using it with my new Knight character actually. I really dig it. Less criticals but slightly more damage. Fair trade to me if you compare to the other weapons and how they compare.
Vahenir 05-22-06, 08:10 PM	Actually in the EverQuest d20 RPG there IS a broadsword. The OP asked if there was a broadsword in D&D, not if there was a broadsword in the entire scope of the d20 system. Big difference. Your point is moot. There is also a broadsword in the Conan RPG. Which, again, would be irrelevant to the question posed. Broad Sword: This middle-length blade is unusually wide, making it good for hacking as well as slashing. The difference is subtle, and for seriouis hacking, an axe is the weapon of choice. Total fantasy, anyway. An 'unusually wide' blade would make for a pretty crappy weapon. In any event, the answer has already been given. D&D hasn't had a 'broadsword' since 2E, and whatever one considers to be a broadsword is, generally speaking, covered by the 'longsword' entry.
Sir Knight 05-22-06, 08:18 PM	The OP asked if there was a broadsword in D&D, not if there was a broadsword in the entire scope of the d20 system. Big difference. Your point is moot. There is also a broadsword in the Conan RPG. Which, again, would be irrelevant to the question posed. Total fantasy, anyway. An 'unusually wide' blade would make for a pretty crappy weapon. In any event, the answer has already been given. D&D hasn't had a 'broadsword' since 2E, and whatever one considers to be a broadsword is, generally speaking, covered by the 'longsword' entry. Oh and I'm not allowed to share some insight with the OPer? Who made you God of the Message Boards? Your reply makes you sound arrogant and basically like a total jerk. Try finding some tact and etiquette.
Kresalak 05-22-06, 08:29 PM	Oh and I'm not allowed to share some insight with the OPer? Who made you God of the Message Boards? Your reply makes you sound arrogant and basically like a total jerk. Try finding some tact and etiquette. Didn't you know? Vahenir was voted God in a landslide victory last month.
Vahenir 05-22-06, 08:52 PM	Oh and I'm not allowed to share some insight with the OPer? Who made you God of the Message Boards? Your reply makes you sound arrogant and basically like a total jerk. Try finding some tact and etiquette Would you like a tissue, or shall we leave you to just cry into your mother's skirt? Seriously, grow up. Not everything is a personal shot against you - so stop taking it that way. I'll point out that nothing that -I- said was insulting or flaming, unlike your little post, champ. Talk about lack of tact and etiquette. Pot, meet kettle. Didn't you know? Vahenir was voted God in a landslide victory last month. In all fairness, I George W. Bushed it.
Johannixx 05-22-06, 09:01 PM	In all fairness, I George W. Bushed it. Wow. Three sig-worthy one-liners in one thread! That's gotta be a record.
DaMullet 05-22-06, 09:51 PM	I'd make it four, but then I'd need to say something noteworthy.
WizO_Cat 05-22-06, 11:06 PM	Wow, we have: - Spamming - Discussion of real life political figures - Baiting You know what is next, so don't act surprised ..