Bull Rush two Targets [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bull Rush two Targets [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
cyberjedi
09-17-04, 11:09 AM In my game last night, a fighter was in melee combat in a doorway, so the rest of the party could not get through. Somone wanted to Bull Rush the party memeber, into the enemy and push them both back. Is this allowable or covered in the rules?
cyberjedi
09-17-04, 04:20 PM If it is allowable, would it draw any AOO's form anyone?

Player1 ---Bull Rush---> Player2xEnemy
Steelwill
09-17-04, 05:28 PM The initial Bull Rush would be no problem, then if I were DM'ing, I would say any targets beyond the initial one would treat the incoming bull rush with its first victim as an overrun attempt. Effectively the bull rush initiator would be bull rushing the first target, and then using him as a battering ram to overrun the following targets. After the first target apply the normal rules for overrun. That's how I would do it. My 2 cents I hope it helps.
cyberjedi
09-17-04, 06:42 PM The initial Bull Rush would be no problem, then if I were DM'ing, I would say any targets beyond the initial one would treat the incoming bull rush with its first victim as an overrun attempt. Effectively the bull rush initiator would be bull rushing the first target, and then using him as a battering ram to overrun the following targets. After the first target apply the normal rules for overrun. That's how I would do it. My 2 cents I hope it helps.

Actually this sounds like great addaptaion of the rules. Could they instead just Overrun past both the friendly and enemy? I know the Overrun rules say you can only do one per turn, but could you do both as the same action grant it that you you make both roles. and if so, could the Friend just decide to let you go past them?
Steelwill
09-24-04, 10:56 AM I believe and I am just guessing here, as I don't have my books on me, that a character/npc on the wrong end of an overrun may opt to move out of the way, unless improved overrun is being used, in which case moving is no longer allowed for the victim.
cyberjedi
09-24-04, 11:08 AM Ok, so I told my group that I would allow then to bull rush the PC and that PC would then have to overrun the Monster. However, now they are wanting to Overrun through both targets. So basically we still have this situation.

PC 1 ---Overrunning--> PC 2 x Monster

x is two creatures in melee.

So PC1 is overrunning, PC 2 doesn't take the APP and steps out of the way. Then the character overrruns into the monster. I gave them a negative modifier because of the second target, but I couldn't find anything in the rules saying they can't do this. To me this seems like a cheeseball way of getting past someone in melee with the other person.

Any ideas?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
cyberjedi 09-17-04, 11:09 AM	In my game last night, a fighter was in melee combat in a doorway, so the rest of the party could not get through. Somone wanted to Bull Rush the party memeber, into the enemy and push them both back. Is this allowable or covered in the rules?
cyberjedi 09-17-04, 04:20 PM	If it is allowable, would it draw any AOO's form anyone? Player1 ---Bull Rush---> Player2xEnemy
Steelwill 09-17-04, 05:28 PM	The initial Bull Rush would be no problem, then if I were DM'ing, I would say any targets beyond the initial one would treat the incoming bull rush with its first victim as an overrun attempt. Effectively the bull rush initiator would be bull rushing the first target, and then using him as a battering ram to overrun the following targets. After the first target apply the normal rules for overrun. That's how I would do it. My 2 cents I hope it helps.
cyberjedi 09-17-04, 06:42 PM	The initial Bull Rush would be no problem, then if I were DM'ing, I would say any targets beyond the initial one would treat the incoming bull rush with its first victim as an overrun attempt. Effectively the bull rush initiator would be bull rushing the first target, and then using him as a battering ram to overrun the following targets. After the first target apply the normal rules for overrun. That's how I would do it. My 2 cents I hope it helps. Actually this sounds like great addaptaion of the rules. Could they instead just Overrun past both the friendly and enemy? I know the Overrun rules say you can only do one per turn, but could you do both as the same action grant it that you you make both roles. and if so, could the Friend just decide to let you go past them?
Steelwill 09-24-04, 10:56 AM	I believe and I am just guessing here, as I don't have my books on me, that a character/npc on the wrong end of an overrun may opt to move out of the way, unless improved overrun is being used, in which case moving is no longer allowed for the victim.
cyberjedi 09-24-04, 11:08 AM	Ok, so I told my group that I would allow then to bull rush the PC and that PC would then have to overrun the Monster. However, now they are wanting to Overrun through both targets. So basically we still have this situation. PC 1 ---Overrunning--> PC 2 x Monster x is two creatures in melee. So PC1 is overrunning, PC 2 doesn't take the APP and steps out of the way. Then the character overrruns into the monster. I gave them a negative modifier because of the second target, but I couldn't find anything in the rules saying they can't do this. To me this seems like a cheeseball way of getting past someone in melee with the other person. Any ideas?