buying tomes? [Archive] - Wizards Community

buying tomes? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Chathsolen
02-11-06, 09:55 AM When buying Tomes/Manuals like +5 ones. do you pay the full 137500 cost or the 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost ?
Dragonteuthis
02-11-06, 09:59 AM You pay the market price, just like every item in the book.

Assuming of course there are any for sale.
rbrt_Spade
02-11-06, 11:29 AM The price that says market price if your dm allows you to get it. By raw you genrally cant(max gp limit is 100,000gp). You have to find it or make a deal with someone to make it. The 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost is what you pay to make it.
Chathsolen
02-11-06, 11:46 AM The price that says market price if your dm allows you to get it. By raw you genrally cant(max gp limit is 100,000gp). You have to find it or make a deal with someone to make it. The 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost is what you pay to make it.

well for a level 20 character you can right ?
primemover003
02-11-06, 04:01 PM Well unless you can find a metropolis with a gp limit higher than 100,000gp these items are unavailable for purchase...
wonlee76
02-12-06, 12:27 AM Technically speaking, without the aid of scrolls, a 20th level caster probably wouldn't want to make a +5 tome (unless that caster has a way of casting wish/miracle without the xp penalty). Most of the xp costs for the tomes comes from the Wish/Miracle component. Can't craft an item where the xp cost would cause you to lose a level (19,000 xp between level 19 and level 20). Therefore, a 20th level caster pretty much loses a level in creating the +5 tome for some PC. (I thought there was a rule that prevented someone from crafting an item where the xp cost would cause the character to lose a level but I can't seem to find it. If such a rule does exist, that's another reason why a 20th level caster couldn't make it).

Ultimately, check with your DM about such an item. Personally, I don't have +5 tomes floating around for sale in any city and found in some random treasure because I tend to play NPCs as a player would. That is, there better be a damn good reason for me to spend an obscene amount of xp to make a tome for some random PC just for a few gold coins.
runestar
02-12-06, 01:41 AM Well, an alternate means would be to cast wish 5 times in succession, which might not be feasible for all spellcasters(They might not have high enough int to get a bonus 9th lv slot, or sacrificed one to arcane fire archmage ability..) Thus, the next best thing would be to store them in magic items.
KmartKommando
02-12-06, 02:44 AM Pearl of Power IX (or 9) is the Uber Wizard crafter's best friend. :D
Chathsolen
02-12-06, 03:15 AM hmm then why are +5 tomes/manuals in the DMG if they can't be made or even bought ?

shouldn't it be epic only ?

confuseing
Jherid
02-12-06, 01:49 PM Couldn't you just start with a +1 tome and upgrade it, paying the difference as you would when upgrading a magic weapon, armor, or WI (like an Amulet of Health). That way the XP costs would be spread out.
Bazcasta
02-12-06, 07:51 PM Couldn't you just start with a +1 tome and upgrade it, paying the difference as you would when upgrading a magic weapon, armor, or WI (like an Amulet of Health). That way the XP costs would be spread out.

Upgrade a book?! That is strangest idea I have ever heard.
kalstrand
02-13-06, 01:46 AM There is a rule that says you can't lose a level when crafting an item or casting a spell. There is also a rule that lets you save xp for crafting rather than using it to level up.
wonlee76
02-13-06, 01:47 AM hmm then why are +5 tomes/manuals in the DMG if they can't be made or even bought ?

shouldn't it be epic only ?

confuseing

Well, there are ways to craft +5 tomes without going into Epic levels. It just requires a bit of a work around.

Example: Wizard scribes a few Scrolls of Wish over his career so that he doesn't lose a level. He saves those scrolls down the line to craft the +5 tomes by "storing" the xp hit from the Wish spells in scroll form and using the scrolls instead of casting wish to craft the item. Its possible but requires a lot of work and foresight.

There are set guidelines for determining if an item is an epic item. The +5 tome doesn't fall in that category. I'm just pointing out the difficulty of crafting a +5 Tome and putting it into consideration as to whether it can be purchased somewhere.
Lotus Crane
02-13-06, 02:16 AM When buying Tomes/Manuals like +5 ones. do you pay the full 137500 cost or the 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost ?
When buying them from the market, you pay the 137,500 GP price. When crafting them yourself, you spend the 6,250 GP + 25,500 XP cost.
Chathsolen
02-13-06, 11:54 AM ahh ok

thanx :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Chathsolen 02-11-06, 09:55 AM	When buying Tomes/Manuals like +5 ones. do you pay the full 137500 cost or the 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost ?
Dragonteuthis 02-11-06, 09:59 AM	You pay the market price, just like every item in the book. Assuming of course there are any for sale.
rbrt_Spade 02-11-06, 11:29 AM	The price that says market price if your dm allows you to get it. By raw you genrally cant(max gp limit is 100,000gp). You have to find it or make a deal with someone to make it. The 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost is what you pay to make it.
Chathsolen 02-11-06, 11:46 AM	The price that says market price if your dm allows you to get it. By raw you genrally cant(max gp limit is 100,000gp). You have to find it or make a deal with someone to make it. The 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost is what you pay to make it. well for a level 20 character you can right ?
primemover003 02-11-06, 04:01 PM	Well unless you can find a metropolis with a gp limit higher than 100,000gp these items are unavailable for purchase...
wonlee76 02-12-06, 12:27 AM	Technically speaking, without the aid of scrolls, a 20th level caster probably wouldn't want to make a +5 tome (unless that caster has a way of casting wish/miracle without the xp penalty). Most of the xp costs for the tomes comes from the Wish/Miracle component. Can't craft an item where the xp cost would cause you to lose a level (19,000 xp between level 19 and level 20). Therefore, a 20th level caster pretty much loses a level in creating the +5 tome for some PC. (I thought there was a rule that prevented someone from crafting an item where the xp cost would cause the character to lose a level but I can't seem to find it. If such a rule does exist, that's another reason why a 20th level caster couldn't make it). Ultimately, check with your DM about such an item. Personally, I don't have +5 tomes floating around for sale in any city and found in some random treasure because I tend to play NPCs as a player would. That is, there better be a damn good reason for me to spend an obscene amount of xp to make a tome for some random PC just for a few gold coins.
runestar 02-12-06, 01:41 AM	Well, an alternate means would be to cast wish 5 times in succession, which might not be feasible for all spellcasters(They might not have high enough int to get a bonus 9th lv slot, or sacrificed one to arcane fire archmage ability..) Thus, the next best thing would be to store them in magic items.
KmartKommando 02-12-06, 02:44 AM	Pearl of Power IX (or 9) is the Uber Wizard crafter's best friend. :D
Chathsolen 02-12-06, 03:15 AM	hmm then why are +5 tomes/manuals in the DMG if they can't be made or even bought ? shouldn't it be epic only ? confuseing
Jherid 02-12-06, 01:49 PM	Couldn't you just start with a +1 tome and upgrade it, paying the difference as you would when upgrading a magic weapon, armor, or WI (like an Amulet of Health). That way the XP costs would be spread out.
Bazcasta 02-12-06, 07:51 PM	Couldn't you just start with a +1 tome and upgrade it, paying the difference as you would when upgrading a magic weapon, armor, or WI (like an Amulet of Health). That way the XP costs would be spread out. Upgrade a book?! That is strangest idea I have ever heard.
kalstrand 02-13-06, 01:46 AM	There is a rule that says you can't lose a level when crafting an item or casting a spell. There is also a rule that lets you save xp for crafting rather than using it to level up.
wonlee76 02-13-06, 01:47 AM	hmm then why are +5 tomes/manuals in the DMG if they can't be made or even bought ? shouldn't it be epic only ? confuseing Well, there are ways to craft +5 tomes without going into Epic levels. It just requires a bit of a work around. Example: Wizard scribes a few Scrolls of Wish over his career so that he doesn't lose a level. He saves those scrolls down the line to craft the +5 tomes by "storing" the xp hit from the Wish spells in scroll form and using the scrolls instead of casting wish to craft the item. Its possible but requires a lot of work and foresight. There are set guidelines for determining if an item is an epic item. The +5 tome doesn't fall in that category. I'm just pointing out the difficulty of crafting a +5 Tome and putting it into consideration as to whether it can be purchased somewhere.
Lotus Crane 02-13-06, 02:16 AM	When buying Tomes/Manuals like +5 ones. do you pay the full 137500 cost or the 6,250 gd +25,500 xp cost ? When buying them from the market, you pay the 137,500 GP price. When crafting them yourself, you spend the 6,250 GP + 25,500 XP cost.
Chathsolen 02-13-06, 11:54 AM	ahh ok thanx :)