can a creature with vow of peace shatter a magic weapon? [Archive] - Wizards Community

can a creature with vow of peace shatter a magic weapon? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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klode_me
02-11-05, 01:45 PM i was thinking about something, in the vow of peace it say
if a creature strikes you with a manufactured weapon, the weapon must immediately make a fortitude save (DC 10 + one-half your character level + your con modifier) or shatter against your skin, leaving you unharmed.
Can it shatter a magic weapon to?
and if you are a second level character and have 18 in con would the save then be 15?
Neocrazy
02-11-05, 02:30 PM yes to both questions but the save for the magic weapon would be increased due to its magic nature.... it would get a bonus for each enchantment lvl on it.
Dracoulis The Phyrexian
02-11-05, 02:42 PM yes to both questions but the save for the magic weapon would be increased due to its magic nature.... it would get a bonus for each enchantment lvl on it.

Not quite.

See, attended objects use the owner's saves as relevant. If the attended object is magic, it can use either its owner's saves or its own (which are based off of the caster level of the item) if those are better. They definitely don't stack.

It really depends on the individual magic item and the individual owner. Level 1 grunt using an artifact? Use the item's saves. Level 20 person and a +1 Dagger? Use the person's.
klode_me
02-11-05, 03:30 PM In the DMG it says it is 2 + one-half the caster level to all saves.

and the caster level to enhancement bonus i Enhancement bonus X3 and in the special abillities it says the caster level.
klode_me
02-14-05, 12:17 PM do you think it can shatter natural weapons?
ClementWillowbreaker
02-14-05, 12:27 PM Yes, you can sunder natural weapons...you just have to hit the creature's AC and deal damage equal to their hit points...also known as killing the creature. Since your skin does neither of these things, no, it can't.
klode_me
02-20-05, 12:33 PM Yes, you can sunder natural weapons...you just have to hit the creature's AC and deal damage equal to their hit points...also known as killing the creature. Since your skin does neither of these things, no, it can't.

Maybe if it doesn´t success the fortitude save, it could maybe negate the attack?
tarkin
02-20-05, 02:06 PM It clearly says MANUFACTURED WEAPONS. Your skin does nothing against natural weapons because they are not manufactured.
thegreatbuddha
02-20-05, 03:13 PM What about a golem's slam attack. it's natural weapon, but golems are manufactured.

DM: *rolls fort save* OK. The iron golem hits you, and shatters. You take no damage. :D
Dracoulis The Phyrexian
02-20-05, 03:38 PM Creatures are not weapons (at least, not gamewise).

Interestingly enough, this means that intellegent weapons, which are treated are constructs, might very well survive. Hmmm.
DeadEye19
02-20-05, 04:36 PM What about a golem's slam attack. it's natural weapon, but golems are manufactured.

DM: *rolls fort save* OK. The iron golem hits you, and shatters. You take no damage. :D

Im all loled out,anyway it seems you already solved your problams.
astatine
02-20-05, 09:51 PM A poacher's blade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20030627a) can also sunder natural weapons, after a fashion: on a critical, the target loses one natural weapon at random until fully healed. However, a poacher's blade is of little use to someone who doesn't counterattack...
Mandaygo
02-20-05, 11:04 PM i was thinking about something, in the vow of peace it say

Can it shatter a magic weapon to?
and if you are a second level character and have 18 in con would the save then be 15?

As I understand it, the DC would be 19. To take Vow of Peace, you need Vow of Non Violence as a pre req. The benefit of Vow of Non Violence states

"The saving throw DC for spells you cast or other special abilities you use against humanoid or monsterous humanoid targets is increased by +4 if the spell does not deal damage, bestow negative levels or cause death...
The benefits of this feat extends to special abilities other then spells that allow a saving throw,
but only if the ability does not deal damage and is not dependent on dealing damage."

So wouldn't the DC be 10 + 1/2 character level + con mod + 4? So shouldn't the DC be 19?
klode_me
02-21-05, 12:46 AM As I understand it, the DC would be 19. To take Vow of Peace, you need Vow of Non Violence as a pre req. The benefit of Vow of Non Violence states

"The saving throw DC for spells you cast or other special abilities you use against humanoid or monsterous humanoid targets is increased by +4 if the spell does not deal damage, bestow negative levels or cause death...
The benefits of this feat extends to special abilities other then spells that allow a saving throw,
but only if the ability does not deal damage and is not dependent on dealing damage."

So wouldn't the DC be 10 + 1/2 character level + con mod + 4? So shouldn't the DC be 19?

Yes 19 against humanoid and monsterous humanoid.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
klode_me 02-11-05, 01:45 PM	i was thinking about something, in the vow of peace it say if a creature strikes you with a manufactured weapon, the weapon must immediately make a fortitude save (DC 10 + one-half your character level + your con modifier) or shatter against your skin, leaving you unharmed. Can it shatter a magic weapon to? and if you are a second level character and have 18 in con would the save then be 15?
Neocrazy 02-11-05, 02:30 PM	yes to both questions but the save for the magic weapon would be increased due to its magic nature.... it would get a bonus for each enchantment lvl on it.
Dracoulis The Phyrexian 02-11-05, 02:42 PM	yes to both questions but the save for the magic weapon would be increased due to its magic nature.... it would get a bonus for each enchantment lvl on it. Not quite. See, attended objects use the owner's saves as relevant. If the attended object is magic, it can use either its owner's saves or its own (which are based off of the caster level of the item) if those are better. They definitely don't stack. It really depends on the individual magic item and the individual owner. Level 1 grunt using an artifact? Use the item's saves. Level 20 person and a +1 Dagger? Use the person's.
klode_me 02-11-05, 03:30 PM	In the DMG it says it is 2 + one-half the caster level to all saves. and the caster level to enhancement bonus i Enhancement bonus X3 and in the special abillities it says the caster level.
klode_me 02-14-05, 12:17 PM	do you think it can shatter natural weapons?
ClementWillowbreaker 02-14-05, 12:27 PM	Yes, you can sunder natural weapons...you just have to hit the creature's AC and deal damage equal to their hit points...also known as killing the creature. Since your skin does neither of these things, no, it can't.
klode_me 02-20-05, 12:33 PM	Yes, you can sunder natural weapons...you just have to hit the creature's AC and deal damage equal to their hit points...also known as killing the creature. Since your skin does neither of these things, no, it can't. Maybe if it doesn´t success the fortitude save, it could maybe negate the attack?
tarkin 02-20-05, 02:06 PM	It clearly says MANUFACTURED WEAPONS. Your skin does nothing against natural weapons because they are not manufactured.
thegreatbuddha 02-20-05, 03:13 PM	What about a golem's slam attack. it's natural weapon, but golems are manufactured. DM: rolls fort save OK. The iron golem hits you, and shatters. You take no damage. :D
Dracoulis The Phyrexian 02-20-05, 03:38 PM	Creatures are not weapons (at least, not gamewise). Interestingly enough, this means that intellegent weapons, which are treated are constructs, might very well survive. Hmmm.
DeadEye19 02-20-05, 04:36 PM	What about a golem's slam attack. it's natural weapon, but golems are manufactured. DM: rolls fort save OK. The iron golem hits you, and shatters. You take no damage. :D Im all loled out,anyway it seems you already solved your problams.
astatine 02-20-05, 09:51 PM	A poacher's blade (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20030627a) can also sunder natural weapons, after a fashion: on a critical, the target loses one natural weapon at random until fully healed. However, a poacher's blade is of little use to someone who doesn't counterattack...
Mandaygo 02-20-05, 11:04 PM	i was thinking about something, in the vow of peace it say Can it shatter a magic weapon to? and if you are a second level character and have 18 in con would the save then be 15? As I understand it, the DC would be 19. To take Vow of Peace, you need Vow of Non Violence as a pre req. The benefit of Vow of Non Violence states "The saving throw DC for spells you cast or other special abilities you use against humanoid or monsterous humanoid targets is increased by +4 if the spell does not deal damage, bestow negative levels or cause death... The benefits of this feat extends to special abilities other then spells that allow a saving throw, but only if the ability does not deal damage and is not dependent on dealing damage." So wouldn't the DC be 10 + 1/2 character level + con mod + 4? So shouldn't the DC be 19?
klode_me 02-21-05, 12:46 AM	As I understand it, the DC would be 19. To take Vow of Peace, you need Vow of Non Violence as a pre req. The benefit of Vow of Non Violence states "The saving throw DC for spells you cast or other special abilities you use against humanoid or monsterous humanoid targets is increased by +4 if the spell does not deal damage, bestow negative levels or cause death... The benefits of this feat extends to special abilities other then spells that allow a saving throw, but only if the ability does not deal damage and is not dependent on dealing damage." So wouldn't the DC be 10 + 1/2 character level + con mod + 4? So shouldn't the DC be 19? Yes 19 against humanoid and monsterous humanoid.