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AceCalhoon 06-30-06, 11:56 AM	Here's an unusual question: Does an evil cleric who rebukes/commands undead run the risk of rebuking himself on a good roll? The rules state that "you turn the closest turnable undead first, and you can't turn undead that are more than 60 feet away or that have total cover relative to you." The Lich himself is the closest turnable undead, and is within 60 feet of himself. The lich's turn resistance makes it's effective hit dice four higher than it's cleric level (assuming it's a pure cleric). By rolling at the top of the chart, the lich can turn undead with four hitdice more than it's cleric level... That includes itself! Am I interpreting this correctly?
JackoSestcasse 06-30-06, 11:58 AM	Yes. I am pritty sure. Your logic is that of that Einstien guy. >.>
Rulebook 06-30-06, 01:01 PM	i think you'd wind up bolstering yourself instead of rebuking, since you're under your own control (id assume)
ShinAkuma2 06-30-06, 01:58 PM	Ach! I'm far too powerful! I now cower in fear of my own power! ...Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about that.
guru7892 06-30-06, 02:16 PM	i think you'd wind up bolstering yourself instead of rebuking, since you're under your own control (id assume) so if you were charmed or something you could rebuke yourself to regain control?
SolenVlos 06-30-06, 02:32 PM	perhaps you can bolster yourself for bonus against mind-afffecting spells, which you are immune in first place.
__DnD4Life__ 06-30-06, 04:04 PM	well, you quoted it, but ou failed to read the whole thing: You may skip over already turned undead that are still within range, so that you do not waste your turning capacity on them. So, you are able to skip over undead that are turned, so that would make sense if you could skip over undead for other reasons, like being undead yourself. Its freeking common sense!
SolenVlos 06-30-06, 04:25 PM	all praise the undead common sense!!!
AceCalhoon 06-30-06, 04:28 PM	i think you'd wind up bolstering yourself instead of rebuking, since you're under your own control (id assume) As nearly as I can tell, bolstering is an action independent from rebuking (i.e. if you rebuke some undead, you cannot bolster others with the same roll). "An evil cleric may also bolster undead creatures against turning in advance. He makes a turning check as if attempting to rebuke the undead..." So, you are able to skip over undead that are turned, so that would make sense if you could skip over undead for other reasons, like being undead yourself. Its freeking common sense! If the lich has been turned, rebuked, or commanded prior to using his own rebuke/control, this is true. Otherwise, that clause doesn't apply to him (as nearly as I can tell). That line only gives you the ability to skip undead that are currently turned/rebuked. If an undead is not under the effects of turn/rebuke, you must target "the closest turnable undead." For example, if the lich were attacked by two zombies and a vampire, and rolls sufficient turning damage to rebuke the vampire exactly, he can't "skip over" the zombies. He has to target them first, losing his ability to rebuke the vampire. Edit: Changed an unless to an if. It didn't make sense previously.
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