Can a scout skirmish a foe that has concealment? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can a scout skirmish a foe that has concealment? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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paradox1995
04-24-07, 02:34 AM Can a scout skirmish a foe that has concealment? The skirmish explination closly mimics the rogues sneak attack. A rogue cannot SA a foe w/ concealment... but I cannot find it anywherer where it says a scout cannot gain skirmish on a concealed foe... Did wizards miss this?
Devlonir
04-24-07, 07:09 AM I do not have my books with me.. but the best to find out is to check for the next phrase in the skirmish ability: "precision based damage"

If it is precision based damage, than cover would stop it from being effective, as mentioned in the FAQ. If it isn't, than you get to use it against creatures with cover.
Necromas
04-24-07, 07:25 AM It is precision based damage.

The same reason you don't get extra skirmish hits when you use normal manyshot.
paradox1995
04-24-07, 12:54 PM thanks for the replys... you mentioned cover... does the same go for concealment?
draconic_swine
04-24-07, 04:24 PM A rogue can't sneak attack a concealed opponent. From the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/rogue.htm#sneakAttack):

A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment or striking the limbs of a creature whose vitals are beyond reach.
Dead_Weasel
04-24-07, 07:08 PM Skirmish states that "the scout must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot."
The Sneak Attack description has this exact same line, which is then followed with the statement that a rogue "cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment."
The phrase precision-based damage is not actually mentioned in either ability. IMO, it is presumed in the description of Skirmish that the first statement invokes the second, since it's corollary that a creature that is concealed cannot be seen well enough to strike at its vitals.
Empiro
04-24-07, 07:15 PM I believe that you CAN sneak attack/skirmish an opponent with cover -- it's concealment that ruins it.
Dead_Weasel
04-24-07, 07:40 PM Cover would really be more of a DM call, since that is an issue of not being able to reach/hit (another prerequisite to make a sneak attack) rather than not being able to see. Since it is not specifically stated that cover prevents sneak attacks, it should not.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
paradox1995 04-24-07, 02:34 AM	Can a scout skirmish a foe that has concealment? The skirmish explination closly mimics the rogues sneak attack. A rogue cannot SA a foe w/ concealment... but I cannot find it anywherer where it says a scout cannot gain skirmish on a concealed foe... Did wizards miss this?
Devlonir 04-24-07, 07:09 AM	I do not have my books with me.. but the best to find out is to check for the next phrase in the skirmish ability: "precision based damage" If it is precision based damage, than cover would stop it from being effective, as mentioned in the FAQ. If it isn't, than you get to use it against creatures with cover.
Necromas 04-24-07, 07:25 AM	It is precision based damage. The same reason you don't get extra skirmish hits when you use normal manyshot.
paradox1995 04-24-07, 12:54 PM	thanks for the replys... you mentioned cover... does the same go for concealment?
draconic_swine 04-24-07, 04:24 PM	A rogue can't sneak attack a concealed opponent. From the SRD (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/rogue.htm#sneakAttack): A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment or striking the limbs of a creature whose vitals are beyond reach.
Dead_Weasel 04-24-07, 07:08 PM	Skirmish states that "the scout must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot." The Sneak Attack description has this exact same line, which is then followed with the statement that a rogue "cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment." The phrase precision-based damage is not actually mentioned in either ability. IMO, it is presumed in the description of Skirmish that the first statement invokes the second, since it's corollary that a creature that is concealed cannot be seen well enough to strike at its vitals.
Empiro 04-24-07, 07:15 PM	I believe that you CAN sneak attack/skirmish an opponent with cover -- it's concealment that ruins it.
Dead_Weasel 04-24-07, 07:40 PM	Cover would really be more of a DM call, since that is an issue of not being able to reach/hit (another prerequisite to make a sneak attack) rather than not being able to see. Since it is not specifically stated that cover prevents sneak attacks, it should not.