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CrazyCloud 12-09-06, 02:43 PM	I checked SRD and recieved some rather confusing information. It said first that items with multiple different abilities that do take up space on a character's body were (price of most expensive ability) + 1.5(base price of second ability). It also mentioned that items with multiple similar abilities that do not take up space cost (price of most expensive ability) + .75(base price of second most expensive ability) and .5(base price of all other abilities). So what does that mean for items with multiple different abilities that do not take up space on a person's body or an item with multiple similar abilities that do take up space on a character's body?
Thomas_Covenant 12-09-06, 02:59 PM	It's not well worded. The first rule is for most combined items. (Ring of Invisibility combined with Ring of Sustenance, for example) The second rule is almost entirely for staves, but it could also work for some held item that had multiple powers, as long as only one could be used at a time. The different abilities vs. similar abilities is horribly worded, almost worth ignoring.
Nezkrul 12-09-06, 10:12 PM	does it also work for Ioun Stones or are those non-slotted items?
theplaidknight 12-09-06, 10:45 PM	Ioun Stones are indeed non-slotted items.
risner 12-10-06, 08:35 PM	So what does that mean for items with multiple different abilities that do not take up space on a person's body or an item with multiple similar abilities that do take up space on a character's body? MDA = 1.5 times cost. MSA = Items that have connected abilities. E.g. Staff or an item with 1/day of Blah OR Blah2 abilities (different than 1/day Blah and Blah2.) Ignore the opposite cases, they don't change the price. There are MDA that do not take space like rings priced at the same cost. There are MSA that do take space (some wondrous items.) Also, if you do change the slot (from do to don't or don't to do), you may introduce Slot Affinity which may increase the cost 1.5 additional. Two 1.5x costs generally make it 2.0x cost.
concerro 12-11-06, 03:55 AM	I checked SRD and recieved some rather confusing information. It said first that items with multiple different abilities that do take up space on a character's body were (price of most expensive ability) + 1.5(base price of second ability). It also mentioned that items with multiple similar abilities that do not take up space cost (price of most expensive ability) + .75(base price of second most expensive ability) and .5(base price of all other abilities). So what does that mean for items with multiple different abilities that do not take up space on a person's body or an item with multiple similar abilities that do take up space on a character's body? its going to depend on exactly what you want to do and since those are only guidelines the DM will set the final price
Vaelan 12-11-06, 04:03 AM	It also mentioned that items with multiple similar abilities that do not take up space cost (price of most expensive ability) + .75(base price of second most expensive ability) and .5(base price of all other abilities). This guideline is used for items that have multiple abilities that draw from one pool of resources, such as a staff.
Neutronium_Dragon 12-11-06, 05:06 AM	Multiple powers which draw from the same pool of charges is one example. Alternately, though they're uncommon, an item which has multiple powers where only one can be active at a given time also qualifies as "multiple similar powers". One example was an "Hourglass of Fire and Ice", where, depending on which way up you turned it (and thus which way the sand was running), it would provide a boost to either [fire] or [cold] effects, but you couldn't get both benefits at once.
CrazyCloud 12-11-06, 04:51 PM	Ok, so multiple similar abilities means that only one can be in effect at once right? So, let's say I had an item that could either provide +5 to Nat Armor AC or +30 on Escape Artist Skill checks. Would that qualify? And thank you all for being so helpful.
Thomas_Covenant 12-11-06, 05:11 PM	Ok, so multiple similar abilities means that only one can be in effect at once right? So, let's say I had an item that could either provide +5 to Nat Armor AC or +30 on Escape Artist Skill checks. Would that qualify? And thank you all for being so helpful.No, that's the 1.5X for second ability, and a decent example of it. You may well want both AC and Escape Artist when you're being grappled, for example. This is clearly multiple "different" abilities that "do" take up space on the body. Other than staves, you'll find very view items that get that discount, Neutronium_Dragon provided a logical example.
risner 12-11-06, 07:00 PM	So, let's say I had an item that could either provide +5 to Nat Armor AC or +30 on Escape Artist Skill checks. Would that qualify? Unusual, but I would rule that it would qualify. Examples of Similar Wondrous items: Keoghtom’s Ointment (DMG p261) Stone Salve (DMG p267)