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Shaudes29 02-18-06, 11:16 AM	I am playign a grapeling monk, and an issue has developed. How many oposed grapel cheaks can i make in a round? Can i flurry to get aditionaL grapel cheaks? Can i make a number of cheaks equal to a full atck action? This is the 1st time we have realy botherd with grapelign in this campain, both me and the DM are unclear on these questions. If latter I am polymorfed into a creature with natural attacks what woudl be the maxamum number of grapel cheaks i coudl get and what penalties would thear be?
Elemmakil 02-18-06, 01:08 PM	In short: you cannot flurry in a grapple. Using natural weapons in a grapple is complex. A monk cannot flurry in a grapple:When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). The special "damage your opponent" action is distinct from an unarmed strike:Damage Your Opponent: While grappling, you can deal damage to your opponent equivalent to an unarmed strike. Make an opposed grapple check in place of an attack. If you win, you deal nonlethal damage as normal for your unarmed strike (1d3 points for Medium attackers or 1d2 points for Small attackers, plus Strength modifiers). If you want to deal lethal damage, you take a –4 penalty on your grapple check.In addition to not ever stating that grappling is an unarmed attack, it actually implies that it is not an 'attack' at all. However, this gets more complicated:Attack Your Opponent: You can make an attack with an unarmed strike, natural weapon, or light weapon against another character you are grappling. You take a –4 penalty on such attacks. You can’t attack with two weapons while grappling, even if both are light weapons.You can take a full attack on a grappled opponent, just like a non-grappled opponent, and in this case you are attacking with unarmed strikes, and can get a flurry of blows. However, you get a -4 penalty, and use normal attacks, not opposed grapple checks. Creatures are even more messy: You can take normal attacks, as per your BAB and not your natural weapons, and use grapple checks. Just calculate out how many attacks per round you get as if using manufactured weapons, and you get that many grapple checks. Keep in mind that, unless you have improved grab, you deal damage as per an unarmed strike, not a your natural weapon. The unarmed strike deals 1d3 damage for a medium creature, resized normally for larger or smaller creatures. The table on page 28 of the 3.5 DMG gives the rules for larger or smaller creatures. Note that with Improved Grab, you can deal damage as with the natural weapon you used to grab. Just like a character using manufactured weapons, a creature can take a full attack, but taking a -4 penalty (this works because natural weapons are always considered to be light weapons).Attack Your Opponent: You can make an attack with an unarmed strike, natural weapon, or light weapon against another character you are grappling. You take a –4 penalty on such attacks. You can’t attack with two weapons while grappling, even if both are light weapons.Some people interpret the bolded line to mean that you cannot attack with more than one natural weapon in a grapple. I don't think that this was the intent of the rule; it looks like it was targetting two-weapon fighters. However, I can't refute it on purely RAW.