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Mark_Aged 08-23-07, 04:40 PM	Okay, up to now, I thought that weapons could only be made out of one material. But it says for Alchemical Silver that it can't be combined with Mithral, Adamantine, or Cold Iron. Does that mean you can make a weapon made of, say, Aurorum and Alchemical Silver?
Spikes01k 08-23-07, 04:50 PM	Alchemists silver is an ointment applied to weapons, not a material. It is supposed to wear off eventually.
Mark_Aged 08-23-07, 04:53 PM	Really? I have very read that anywhere. Where did you hear/read it from?
PhaedrusXY 08-23-07, 04:56 PM	Alchemists silver is an ointment applied to weapons, not a material. It is supposed to wear off eventually.You are confused. You can have a weapon that has alchemical silver permanently bonded to it. Silver, Alchemical A complex process involving metallurgy and alchemy can bond silver to a weapon made of steel so that it bypasses the damage reduction of creatures such as lycanthropes. On a successful attack with a silvered weapon, the wielder takes a -1 penalty on the damage roll (with the usual minimum of 1 point of damage). The alchemical silvering process can’t be applied to nonmetal items, and it doesn’t work on rare metals such as adamantine, cold iron, and mithral. Alchemical silver has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 8.What you are thinking of is this Wonderous Item which temporarily makes a weapon count as silver: Silversheen This substance can be applied to a weapon as a standard action. It will give the weapon the properties of alchemical silver for 1 hour, replacing the properties of any other special material it might have. One vial will coat a single melee weapon or 20 units of ammunition. Faint transmutation; CL 5th; Craft Wondrous Item; Price 250 gp. As far as the OP's question, I'd say that the wording was an oversight. They only mentioned those other three metals because those were the only other three "special" metals in the Core rules (where alchemical silver is found). Technically, it might be possible to add it to other kinds of metals, but I think most DMs would see this as a loophole.
Mark_Aged 08-23-07, 04:59 PM	Okay, thanks for the help.
Spikes01k 08-23-07, 05:04 PM	Most GMs count damage you do over 8 points as damage to the silver. So after you attack a number of times with strong enough hits you need to re-apply the silver to the weapon. Maybe thats just a common house rule I keep on seeing applied with different GMs..?
tarkin 08-23-07, 05:08 PM	As a DM, I would consider Alchemical Silver to be a surface treatment, like all DR it powers so they should not stack. I further would not let it work with anything that increases damage or to hit, as that metal that provides the bonus is not actually touching the target. I would rule it can under no circumstance work with any other metal that is a surface effect such as DR. I could see allowing an Aurorum Alchemical silver. The rejoining makes sense. I would not let work with the wooden equiptment or ice equiptment (from frostburn), cause they are not metal. I would allow you t coat Targath, but that would give you the Resistance bonus only, not let people be vunerable to the metal as well as ignoring DR. I would not let you coat Thinaun with it as it would block contact with the body when it dies. Net net, I would allow Aurorum and a partial powered Targath.
claypigeons 08-23-07, 05:31 PM	I would not let you coat Thinaun with it as it would block contact with the body when it dies. Just one quick thing... I'd allow it to be applied to Thinaun. I just wouldn't let the soul-sucking effect of Thinaun apply. :D
mvincent 08-23-07, 06:19 PM	Most GMs count damage you do over 8 points as damage to the silver.Can you define your use of "most" here?
Grumman 08-24-07, 06:02 AM	Can you define your use of "most" here? "Most", in this case, seems to mean "my". Certainly I would never use this house rule - the silver wouldn't survive the first hit!
KurenaiYami 08-24-07, 06:45 AM	"Most", in this case, seems to mean "my". Certainly I would never use this house rule - the silver wouldn't survive the first hit! QFT. This is just plain not a good idea, especially considering the cost.
runestar 08-24-07, 07:05 AM	Note that there is one precedent in PGTF, which has stats for a battleaxe where half its head is made of adamantine, and the other half from cold iron, thus letting you overcome dr/adamantine or dr/cold iron using the same weapon (by attacking with the appropriate side). Throw in gloves of arcane weaponry and metal based dr is moot to you.:D
war_thog 08-24-07, 07:37 AM	Thats a very specialised circumstance. And its still a silly idea. You couldnt make a battleaxe of cold iron and adamantine. It is made of one piece of metal that is shaped appropriately. The 2 heads are not seperate sections. You can have a DOUBLE AXE with 2 different heads as they are each end of the double weapons but there are rules for that. If you wanted to coat a weapon in silver...... well then its covered in silver isnt it. You could leave your sheath on your weaon.. then its covered in leather. The underlying material doesnt matter. It might seem to work rules wise where you could house rule a "case by case" basis but as mentioned thats working a loophole. Common sense dictates that it only said Adamantine, etc because they were it. All special materials in the core books cant be combined ---> all special materals coming out later should follow this core set rule. And from a practical point of view thinking of a "real life" sort of thing it wouldnt work either. Its just silly.