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HauptSin 09-01-06, 10:51 AM	Steve comes home from a long day of whatever it is that requires him to carry a Morningstar around, when his cat, Fluffy, attacks for no apparent reason! Match 1 Fluffy gets the drop on Steve, and pounces at him from the table! Ooh, a vicious gash to Steve's left arm, as he tries to defend himself! Steve counters with his morningstar, crushing Fluffy's skull. Poor Fluffy. :weep: Match 2 Steve sees the murderous gleam in Fluffy's eye, and charges at his beloved pet, Morningstar raised. Fluffy manages to dodge the attack, and the weapon smashes into the table. Now in range, Fluffy jumps at Steve's face, clawing and biting. Both claws sink into Steve's face, but he jerks away before Fluffy can bite him, and the cat lands back onto the kitchen table. Steve swings his Morningstar down again, but again Fluffy is too fast, and dodges the attack. Fluffy counters with another viscious lunge and sinks a claw into Steve's cheek, biting the tip of his nose off before landing on the floor. Steve counters with a vicious blow yet again, but this one connects, and sends Fluffy's limp body slamming into the wall. Poor Fluffy. :weep: (Good thing I gave Steve the Toughness feat, otherwise Fluffy would have had him.) Match 3 Steve runs into the room and mashes Fluffy to a gooey pulp, nearly breaking his table in half. Poor Fluffy. :weep: Match 4 Steve gets the drop on Fluffy, who nimbly dodges his attack, and leaps onto Steve's face, sinking both claws into his soft flesh, and biting the top of Steve's lip off. Steve counters, crushing Fluffy's skull. Poor Fluffy. :weep: (Good thing I gave Steve the Toughness feat, otherwise Fluffy would have had him, again.) Match 5 Steve runs into the room, smashing fluffy into the wall. Poor Fluffy. :weep: Ok, so with the Toughness feat, a Commoner stands a pretty damn good chance against a housecat. But without it... So help him [Insert name of Commoner's patron deity here].
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 11:07 AM	Poor Fluffy. :weep:
teemuu 09-01-06, 11:54 AM	I bet 2 fluffys can take him . heh
Seerow 09-01-06, 11:56 AM	What happens when the Commoner has a more common weapon like a Dagger or Quarterstaff instead of a Morning Star (which costs more than an average commoner might have to spare in a lifetime)
FellBlade 09-01-06, 12:00 PM	agreed, the morningstar is an unfair advantage
HauptSin 09-01-06, 12:05 PM	Well, I gave him the hardest-hitting simple one-handed weapon, just for the fun of it. With Fluffy's 2hp, and with Steve's 13 Str giving him a +1 damage bonus, if Steve hits Fluffy with *any* weapon, Fluffy dies. And this is a Human with the crap-stats(13,11,11,10,9,8) and a single level of the DMG's Commoner class, giving him weapon proficiency(Morningstar), and 2 feats(Toughness and Dodge). The Dodge actually didn't help him in any of the matches I ran...
Someone 09-01-06, 12:25 PM	Wouldn't the commoner more likely have stats of 11,11,11,10,10,10 instead of 13,12,11,10,9,8? Because its no longer Steve the commoner, its Steve the bouncer/goon/manual laborer. Not to mention the toughness feat pretty much doubles his hp. As a variant, what if the commoner and/or the cat fought defensively? Or what if the commoner and/or cat started a grapple? The morningstar wouldn't be useful there... Oh, and since the cat was up on a table, wouldn't it get the "higher ground" bonus?
FellBlade 09-01-06, 12:32 PM	try having him fight unarmed
Seerow 09-01-06, 12:34 PM	try having him fight unarmed Nah, commoners get 1 simple weapon proficiency, so they can use a weapon. But a 13 strength commoner with a morning star, as pointed out, isn't really a commoner but a bouncer most likely. He's also far more likely to be a Warrior than a commoner.
kjenks 09-01-06, 12:37 PM	The Monster Manual Errata nerfed Fluffy. The loss of Weapon Finesse means Fluffy now has a full attack of... 2 claws –2 melee (1d2–4) and bite –7 melee (1d3–4) ...instead of... 2 claws +4 melee (1d2–4) and bite –1 melee (1d3–4) So the claws only hit Steve on 12 or higher the bite only hits on 17+. Steve can hit the cat's AC 14 on 13+. Since the cat is Tiny, it must enter Steve's square to attack. So let's look at Steve vs. Fluffy in a little more detail. If Fluffy wins Init, he could move into Steve's square and get one claw attack, inflictin at most 1 HP. Fluffy entering Steve's square provokes an AoO, but since Steve is flat-footed, he doesn't get one (unless he has the Combat Reflexes feat). On Steve's turn, he tries to hit Fluffy then he takes a 5 ft. step back. The 5 ft. step is crucial to Steve's tactics. If Steve hits, Fluffy will take more damage than Steve did because Steve's Str is higher. Next, on Fluffy's turn, Fluffy must enter Steve's square to attack. This provokes an AoO, but this time, Steve is ready for him. Another attack on Fluffy. If Fluffy survives, he could get a full attack. Even if he hits with all three attacks, Fluffy can inflict at most 3 HP of damage. On Steve's next turn, instead of attacking with his weapon, Steve could take a 5 ft. step back then attempt a grapple. Since Steve is not in a square that Fluffy threatens, Fluffy doesn't get to make an AoO in grapple step 1 (per PH, backed up by FAQ). Step 2 will be a little difficult because Steve needs a total attack roll of 14+. Step 3 should be easy since Fluffy takes a -8 on his grapple checks from being Tiny for a total of -12, and after winning, Steve inflicts 1d3+1 nonlethal damage. Step 4 has Steve move back into Fluffy's square to maintain the grapple on Fluffy, if needed. If the grapple fails, Steve still gets to AoO Fluffy when he comes in for his next attack. My money is on Steve, nine fights out of ten. If Steve is unarmed, he still wins about eight fights out of ten. (If he's unarmed, he can't take an AoO since he doesn't threaten Fluffy's square, cutting his effective number of attacks in half. But even one hit with an unarmed strike at 1d3+1 will KO Fluffy.)
FellBlade 09-01-06, 12:47 PM	yes a comoner gets one simple weapon prof, but it dosent mean he will use it, i know how to fire a rifle that dosent mean i carry a .303 to work (if if it was socialy acceptable i probably wouldent bother)
Norsesmithy 09-01-06, 12:57 PM	Sure you wouldn't carry a .303 to work, but how about a knife? Not to mention lots of people do go about their lives armed, I have a conceled carry permit, and carry a .44 MAG everywhere but community college (though If I were to stat myself out, I think I would at least be a warrior, STR 17 humans don't take commoner levels [and yes I can lift 260 lbs over my head])
HauptSin 09-01-06, 01:22 PM	Ok then, 3 rounds of Steve the unarmed uber-Commoner(11,11,11,10,10,10 stats, no Toughness feat, still not wise enough to back away from the angry cat) vs. Fluffy the MM Errata nerf kitty. Match 1 Fluffy gets the jump on Steve, pouncing at his face, scratching his cheek. Steve takes a backhanded swipe at the cat, but Fluffy nimbly dodges. The cat again leaps at Steve, this time from right beneath him, but catches only pants. Steve kicks at the cat, who dodges, leaps, and again catches only clothes. Steve kicks at the cat again, is dodged again, and this time Fluffy makes good with his attack, sinking a claw into Steve's leg. Another kick from Steve, another dodge from Fluffy, and the cat manages to sink a claw into Steve's leg. After more dancing from the two, Fluffy sinks her claws into an artery in Steve's leg, killing him. (Wow, lot of crappy rolls in that match) Match 2 Fluffy leaps at Steve from the table, who swats uselessly at the cat, who lands on the ground at his feet. Fluffy goes all-out, and Steve's head comes off. (Fluffy crit twice on the Full Attack. Even the Bite. O_O ) Match 3 Steve attack the cat. Lots of dancing, eventually Steve knocks Fluffy out and brings him to the Vet Clinic.
FellBlade 09-01-06, 01:39 PM	Sure you wouldn't carry a .303 to work, but how about a knife? Not to mention lots of people do go about their lives armed, I have a conceled carry permit, and carry a .44 MAG everywhere but community college (though If I were to stat myself out, I think I would at least be a warrior, STR 17 humans don't take commoner levels [and yes I can lift 260 lbs over my head]) it must just be that im canadian and carrying wapons is not in our culture But even when i go to ren fares i dont carry a blade (a knife yes) even though i can strut about with a sword (or any other weapon for that matter). in a peacfull place they are just another useless item that i have to truck around Although in steves case (what with having an evil cat) i would want somthing, i just dont understand why he keeps shelling out cash on those "raise dead pet" spells
ShinAkuma2 09-01-06, 02:01 PM	Oh, and since the cat was up on a table, wouldn't it get the "higher ground" bonus? Maybe if Steve was a Halfling. A short halfling.
Seerow 09-01-06, 02:05 PM	Oh, and since the cat was up on a table, wouldn't it get the "higher ground" bonus? Match 2 Fluffy leaps at Steve from the table, who swats uselessly at the cat, who lands on the ground at his feet. Fluffy goes all-out, and Steve's head comes off. (Fluffy crit twice on the Full Attack. Even the Bite. O_O ) Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground! Steve: You underestimate my power! Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve! Steve: *charges* Fluffy: *three critical strikes* Steve: ****
Arvagor 09-01-06, 02:10 PM	The Monster Manual Errata nerfed Fluffy. The loss of Weapon Finesse means Fluffy now has a full attack of... 2 claws –2 melee (1d2–4) and bite –7 melee (1d3–4) ...instead of... 2 claws +4 melee (1d2–4) and bite –1 melee (1d3–4)You're reading the errata incorrectly; Fluffy keeps Weapon Finesse and gains Stealthy as well. So Fluffy's full attack remains: 2 claws +4 melee (1d2–4) and bite –1 melee (1d3–4) (d20srd.org has it right: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm) :cheer: I still put my money on Fluffy :cheer:
Lord_Varos 09-01-06, 02:21 PM	Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground! This cracks me up. Can I put this in my sig?
HauptSin 09-01-06, 02:22 PM	Man, Fluffy freakin' rocks!
boozerker 09-01-06, 02:23 PM	I bet 2 fluffys can take him . heh Flanking bonus. :) try having him fight unarmed That's like having Fluffy fight declawed ;)
Seerow 09-01-06, 02:25 PM	This cracks me up. Can I put this in my sig? Go for it
FellBlade 09-01-06, 02:26 PM	That's like having Fluffy fight declawed ;) hey if it was my cat i would have the evil thing declawed
Lord_Varos 09-01-06, 02:33 PM	I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. If those little animals don't want me to catch them, I'm not catching them. And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? If dogs have NA, humans certainly do.
HauptSin 09-01-06, 02:38 PM	Gotta remember that D&D dogs aren't the poofy little bastards we have running around all over the place. These are big ole' wolf-related dogs, with thick fur, and slightly-tougher-than-ours skin. :p I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. Hide bonus, and... Umm... Size bonus on escaping Grapple checks? >_>
Norsesmithy 09-01-06, 02:42 PM	I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. If those little animals don't want me to catch them, I'm not catching them. And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? If dogs have NA, humans certainly do. That is only because you aren't trying to hurt them, beleive me, if you are fighting a small animal like a weasel or a P/Oed tomcat, that you want to kill, because its savaging your leg, its pretty easy to crush their little bodies. I think they are faster than 30 foot base speed though, or at least can change direction during a run action. Also the natural armour of a dog is its thick coat that softens blows and slows projectiles.
Kimokeo 09-01-06, 02:50 PM	Cats have nine lives. By the time you get to round 10, my bet is on Fluffy. Round 1 Steve: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz Fluffy: Move Silently...crawl under the covers between Steve's legs...claw/claw/claw/claw/bite. Steve: neutered. Fluffy: strange mouse toy - no squeak. Round 2 Steve is looking out the window of his flat as Fluffy approaches Fluffy: Move Silently...Bull Rush. Both go out the window. Steve: Flumph. Dead on the ground. Fluffy: Lands on all four. Done. Round 3 Fluffy: Listen Fluffy: Hide in Shadows Fluffy: Move Silently Fluffy: Sneak Attack Fluffy: Nap
FellBlade 09-01-06, 02:57 PM	what happens if you make fluffy a lv1 rogue?
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 03:02 PM	Fluffy keeps Weapon Finesse and gains Stealthy as well. Fluffy's a friggin' ninja! :cheer: I still put my money on Fluffy :cheer: Yeah baby! Ninja cats FTW!
tarkin 09-01-06, 03:07 PM	Fluffy has a touch of dragon blood in here. 1st level Sorceror. Magic Missiles. Hands down winner, fluffy the Sorceror cat.
Vaalingrade Ashland 09-01-06, 03:15 PM	And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? If dogs have NA, humans certainly do. Also, why does the drooling, subserviant cur have such a high Cha?
Seerow 09-01-06, 03:19 PM	Also, why does the drooling, subserviant cur have such a high Cha? Because everyone except cat lovers love dogs. They didn't get that way by having low charisma.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 03:20 PM	Fluffy has a touch of dragon blood in here. 1st level Sorceror. Magic Missiles. Hands down winner, fluffy the Sorceror cat. Not only that, but ninja too! Fluffy the Sorcerer Ninja Cat!
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 03:23 PM	Because everyone except cat lovers love dogs. I love both. I'm thinking about conducting some grotesque mating experiment so I can have both. At once. In the same body. Oh yeah, baby! Cogs. Or Dats? Whatever. Forget I said anything. EDIT: Or Dots!
Arvagor 09-01-06, 03:27 PM	Fluffy's a friggin' ninja! Yeah baby! Ninja cats FTW!This thread has actually inspired what may be a truly evil encounter for the next low-level adventure I write -- a cat swarm! :evillaugh
FellBlade 09-01-06, 03:28 PM	This thread has actually inspired what may be a truly evil encounter for the next low-level adventure I write -- a cat swarm! :evillaugh awsome that could actualy be a serious encounter and a damn scary one at that
Seerow 09-01-06, 03:32 PM	I love both. I'm thinking about conducting some grotesque mating experiment so I can have both. At once. In the same body. Oh yeah, baby! Cogs. Or Dats? Whatever. Forget I said anything. EDIT: Or Dots! One fine day with a wolf and a bird, a baby was born and it caused a little stir. No pink bunny, no three eyed frog, little lone little whirl, little cat-dog. Cat-Dog, Cat-Dog *insert rest of theme song here*
boozerker 09-01-06, 04:14 PM	Next encounter, the cat is surprised to meet Steve's new big dog.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 04:19 PM	Next encounter, the cat is surprised to meet Steve's new big dog. I think little Fluffy the Lionhearted Cat Ninja Sorcerer can handle a puny dog.
boozerker 09-01-06, 04:31 PM	I think little Fluffy the Lionhearted Cat Ninja Sorcerer can handle a puny dog. That's LOL funny. :)
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 09-01-06, 04:36 PM	One fine day with a wolf and a bird, a baby was born and it caused a little stir. No pink bunny, no three eyed frog, little lone little whirl, little cat-dog. Cat-Dog, Cat-Dog *insert rest of theme song here* Little lone little whirl?
Seerow 09-01-06, 04:52 PM	Little lone little whirl Cut me a break, I haven't heard the song in over 6 years.
FellBlade 09-01-06, 05:04 PM	I think little Fluffy the Lionhearted Cat Ninja Sorcerer can handle a puny dog. i dont know riding dogs are pretty tough and steve himself has won 9 out of ten add the dog in there and the cat is sereously outmatched (flanking anyone)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 05:08 PM	i dont know riding dogs are pretty tough and steve himself has won 9 out of ten add the dog in there and the cat is sereously outmatched (flanking anyone) But you forget that the cat is a Ninja (with a capital n) Sorcerer (with a capital s).
Omega the Powerfull 09-01-06, 05:22 PM	On Steve's turn, he tries to hit Fluffy then he takes a 5 ft. step back. The 5 ft. step is crucial to Steve's tactics. If Steve hits, Fluffy will take more damage than Steve did because Steve's Str is higher. Next, on Fluffy's turn, Fluffy must enter Steve's square to attack. This provokes an AoO, but this time, Steve is ready for him. Another attack on Fluffy. If Fluffy survives, he could get a full attack. Even if he hits with all three attacks, Fluffy can inflict at most 3 HP of damage. Since when 5 ft steps provokes AoO?
Purkake 09-01-06, 05:29 PM	I'm laughing pretty bad here, but shouldn't Fluffy provoke an AoO every time she attacks? She has to enter Steve's square because she is tiny. But against unarmed Steave it shouldn't matter, because he doesn't threaten any squares.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 05:35 PM	Now I've noticed that people refer to Fluffy as 'he' or 'she'. Can we agree on a gender here? If not I shall call Fluffy: Fluffy the Lionhearted Ninja Sorcerer Hermaphroditic Cat.
FellBlade 09-01-06, 05:52 PM	my vote is for "she" so lets stat this p***y out so we have ninja + scorc both classes that a cat could concevibly learn, what about of we make her awakened i say we keep pretty low level seing as how we are facing a riding dog & commoner http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm
__DnD4Life__ 09-01-06, 07:25 PM	Well, the cat may be a sorcerer, but Steve is a wizard, and wins. He has more spells known. :P
Gil Gwath 09-01-06, 07:37 PM	come on, everybody who has a cat at home knows thatthey have at will spell like ability of invisibility and silence. Steve is dead and yet doesn't know it...
The_Normal_Anomaly 09-01-06, 07:49 PM	And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? All I can see in my mind now is a thri-kreen (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/xph_gallery/46026.jpg) house pet. "Click-whir-click-clack""* *Get the ball Shiny! "Click-Click"** **Woof!
SeptimusMagistos 09-01-06, 08:16 PM	Steve grabs Fluffy's tail and tosses it to the dog. The dog eats Fluffy.
MerlintheTuna 09-01-06, 08:32 PM	Since when 5 ft steps provokes AoO? Entering an opponent's square provokes an AoO regardless of the move involved in getting there.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 09:09 PM	Steve grabs Fluffy's tail and tosses it to the dog. The dog eats Fluffy. Now someone seems to lack faith in our special little Fluffy.
Lord_Varos 09-01-06, 10:02 PM	Speaking of class levels, an average cat makes a better Cleric than the average commoner. The cat gets 1 higher DCs on spells and can cast 1 more spell level than the commoner can. Also, I propose a new ability special to the cat: Special Attack: "Mother %#$@!" When a cat strikes any creature with a claw attack, that creature must spend the next round grabbing the wound and saying, "Mother %#$@!". Fortitude DC 38 negates.
Thurbane 09-01-06, 10:20 PM	Fluffy the beserker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a6ZZPLsio
Seerow 09-01-06, 10:22 PM	So what kind of a level adjustment are we looking at for an awakened cat?
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 10:25 PM	Fluffy the beserker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a6ZZPLsio Good god! That cat is crazy! We found our Fluffy!
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 10:25 PM	So what kind of a level adjustment are we looking at for an awakened cat? It's time to call YabaTheWhat. Let's assume above average rolls for Int and average for Cha. Also, I vote for the fractional HD to be omitted from the equation. EDIT: You know what, screw the Awaken spell. Let's break the rules (it's all they're good for anyways).
Seerow 09-01-06, 10:31 PM	Well we have +4 Dex, -6 Strength 4 Natural Attacks Tiny (+2 AC, +2 Attack) 30 ft move speed (significant for a Tiny Creature) +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently +8 racial bonus on Jump, Balance checks. Use their Dex mod instead of their Strength mod for Climb and Jump. I'd peg it at an LA+1 with Favored Class Rogue. Maybe borderline +2, but that would push it towards uselessness.
Lord_Varos 09-01-06, 10:34 PM	This has to stop. Cats should not need to lose a level to be on the same playing field as a human being. Cat melee build contest, anyone? You'd better bet that mine's a vampire.
Seerow 09-01-06, 10:48 PM	No, for a melee build it sucks. But a Cat Wizard, Sorc, or Rogue blows away the human counterpart. ...Actually looking at the stats again, it looks like it has +2 Wis -2 Cha, I'm not sure if that's right or not, but it looks like it is if the standard stats are all 9-11.
Thurbane 09-01-06, 10:51 PM	Viking kittens? http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/
sdragon1984 09-01-06, 10:55 PM	One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born and it caused a little stir. No pink bunny, no three eyed frog, little lone little whirl, little cat-dog. Cat-Dog, Cat-Dog *insert rest of theme song here* been awhile since ive heard the song, so i cant give the proper corrections for "little lone little whirl"*..... id like to request sig'ing the following quotes: "neutered/strange mouse toy" "higher ground" "lionhearted ninja hermaphroditic cat" so if the respective owners to the quotes dont mind, may i sig them? *(arguably, "little lone little whirl" might even be more nonsensical then catdog being the result of a wolf mating with a bird...).
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 11:13 PM	Hey, Steve! Flank this! She gets 28 point buy stats. She also breaks the rules for one reason: She can. She's a munchkin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchkin_%28cat%29). Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+16 plus 2d12+8 (51 hp) Initiative: +4 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares) Armor Class: 22 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural), touch 16, flat-footed 22 Base Attack/Grapple: +5/-9 Attack: Claw +9 melee (1d4+1) Full Attack: 2 claws +9 melee (1d4+1) plus rake and bite +7 melee (1d4) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+2, sneak attack +2d6 Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +8, Ref +7, Will +4 Abilities: Str 12, Dex 16, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +9, Climb +12, Hide +13*, Intimidate +7, Jump +16, Listen +7, Move Silently +13, Spot +7 Feats: Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Multiattack, Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 5 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — Skills Cats have a +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently checks and a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks. Cats have a +8 racial bonus on Balance checks. They use their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier for Climb and Jump checks. *In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus rises to +8. Fluffy while raging (which lasts 9 rounds; just enough to kill Steve and that stupid dog of his): Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+20 plus 2d12+10 (63 hp) Initiative: +4 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares) Armor Class: 20 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural, -2 rage), touch 14, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple: +5/-9 Attack: Claw +11 melee (1d4+3) Full Attack: 2 claws +11 melee (1d4+3) and bite +9 melee (1d4+1) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+6, sneak attack +2d6 Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +9, Ref +8, Will +6 Abilities: Str 16, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +10, Climb +13, Hide +14*, Intimidate +7, Jump +17, Listen +6, Move Silently +14, Spot +6 Feats: Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Multiattack, Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 5 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — She'll kill us all! EDIT: Oh, and if you find any flaws (outside of the blatant cheating, of course) in the stats, let me know, so I can ignore them in favor of power.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 11:14 PM	"lionhearted ninja hermaphroditic cat" You have my permission.
Nitrokitty 09-01-06, 11:26 PM	This thread has actually inspired what may be a truly evil encounter for the next low-level adventure I write -- a cat swarm! :evillaugh Now add the Hive Mind template and you've got yourself one nasty encounter.
StruckingFuggle 09-01-06, 11:27 PM	Anyone want to stat up a housecat swarm? ...and maybe a swarm of vampire kitties? :E
Nitrokitty 09-01-06, 11:40 PM	I will as soon as I find the Swarm and Hive Mind templates.
Thurbane 09-01-06, 11:41 PM	What was than cat-monster from back in 1E that kept getting stronger each time you killed it, until it's 9th (and final) life? It started out the size of a housecat and ended up as big as a lion. I think it was in the original Fiend Folio...was it guardian familiar?
Arvagor 09-01-06, 11:41 PM	Vestigial_Thumb, some suggestions... I work at an animal shelter that has 500+ cats in it... They definitely get the Rake (Ex) special ability, and you should make a note that Fluffy can use the Improved Grab ability on creatures larger than her. Having been on the receiving end of both of the attacks mentioned above, I say that Fluffy also has some form of Improved Grapple on top of the Improved Grab ability...* They sometimes get Frightful Presence as well. (Go ahead! Watch the video link Thurbane posted earlier!) * Yeah, you try pulling a cat off your arm after it's sunk its teeth and two sets of claws into you...
Vestigial_Thumb 09-01-06, 11:50 PM	I work at an animal shelter that has 500+ cats in it... I have two cats that when put together equal about 500 cats. They sometimes get Frightful Presence as well. (Go ahead! Watch the video link Thurbane posted earlier!) I did. How do you think I got the idea for putting levels of Barbarian in there? * Yeah, you try pulling a cat off your arm after it's sunk its teeth and two sets of claws into you... One of mine does it if your arm is not completely exposed. She seems to recognize bare skin as part of your body, but as soon as something covers it... let's just say I haven't worn a sweater in the house for two years. BTW, that same cat fell out a window. Twice. Over a period of two days. 3rd story (she's such an idiot :rofl: Poor thing).
Arvagor 09-01-06, 11:56 PM	I did. How do you think I got the idea for putting levels of Barbarian in there?No, I meant the actual Frightful Presence (Ex) ability -- http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#frightfulPresence Would you want to **** with that cat?!? ;)
JulesCARV 09-02-06, 12:02 AM	Cats don't make good sorcerers or clerics. They can't use any spells with somatic components, and I think verbal components are dubious too. A level 6 cat druid with natural spell might do it, but cat's true strength lies in psionics. A cat ardent or psychic warrior would be pretty tough, with the wisdom bonuses and the component-free manifestation.
kjenks 09-02-06, 12:23 AM	You're reading the errata incorrectly; Fluffy keeps Weapon Finesse and gains Stealthy as well. So Fluffy's full attack remains: 2 claws +4 melee (1d2–4) and bite –1 melee (1d3–4) (d20srd.org has it right: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm) :cheer: I still put my money on Fluffy :cheer: Blink, blink. You're right!
Norsesmithy 09-02-06, 12:27 AM	So you are making a level six Cat rogue4 barbarian 2? You should make a Level 6 dog Paladin 2, Sorceror 4 and have them fight, or on second thought maybe just straight Paladin 6.
Thurbane 09-02-06, 12:31 AM	Maybe some levels of Ranger, favored enemy Human? I have a friend whos a veterinarian, and he says he'd much rather deal with a cranky rottweiller or bull terrier than an angry cat. Something like 90% of the injuries he gets at work come from cats. One of his coworkers once had an eyelid severed by a cats claw. :eek:
ShinAkuma2 09-02-06, 12:37 AM	been awhile since ive heard the song, so i cant give the proper corrections for "little lone little whirl"*..... ...No three-eyed frog, it was a feline-canine, a little Cat-Dog. Cat-Dog, Cat-Dog, Alone in the world was a little Cat-Dog. God, I hated that show.
Guardian of Flames 09-02-06, 01:51 AM	I seem to recall a tale where a party always thought twice about venturing into back alleys because they lost a sorceror and almost a rogue to a roving swarm of stray cats.
Norsesmithy 09-02-06, 01:52 AM	Beau, Collie Paladin Size/Type: medium animal Hit Dice: 6d10+18 (53 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares) Armor Class: 21 (+3 Dex, +4 natural, +4 masterwork chainshirt barding), touch 13, flat-footed 18 Base Attack/Grapple: +6/+10 Attack: bite +10 melee (1d8+4) Full Attack: bite +10 melee (1d8+4) Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft. Special Attacks: Trip attack (If Beau hits with a bite attack, he can attempt to trip the opponent (+1 check modifier) as a free action without making a touch attack or provoking an attack of opportunity. If the attempt fails, the opponent cannot react to trip Beau.); Smite Evil 2/day, Power attack Special Qualities: Lowlight vision, Scent, Aura of Good, Divine grace, Lay on hands, Aura of Courage, Divine health, turn undead, special mount, Remove disease 1/week, Code of Conduct Saves: Fort +9, Ref +6, Will +3 Abilities: Str 18, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 2, Wis 10, Cha 12 Skills: Jump +9, Listen+4, Spot +4, Swim +4, Survival+0* Feats: Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Power Attack, Run, Track (racial feat) Environment: Steve’s barn Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 5 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — Skills Beau has a +4 racial bonus on Jump checks. *Beau has a +4 racial bonus on Survival checks when tracking by scent. I gave Beau full HP on his first dice, Ala a PC. Questions: Where is your cat getting +6 natural armor? And he is closer to 38 point buy; no DM is going to let you have a bonus more than one point for going lower than 8 on a stat. Were Beau such a Munchkin he would perhaps look better on paper. Almost forgot, Beau can call on his Paladin mount, Steve’s prize stallion, for backup, when he locates Fluffy. Jeriah Size/Type: Large Animal Hit Dice: 6d8+18 (42 hp) Initiative: +1 Speed: 50 ft. (10 squares) Armor Class: 18 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +8 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 17 Base Attack/Grapple: +4/+12 Attack: Hoof +7 melee (1d6+4) Full Attack: 2 hooves +7 melee (1d8+4) and bite +2 melee (1d4+2) Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft. Special Attacks: — Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent, improved evasion, share saving throws, empathetic link Saves: Fort +9, Ref +7, Will +3 Abilities: Str 19, Dex 13, Con 17, Int 6, Wis 13, Cha 6 Skills: Listen +5, Spot +4 Feats: Endurance, Run, Improved Natural Attack (hoof) Environment: Steve’s barn Organization: Domesticated Challenge Rating: — Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — We'll get that CE kitty.
Draegun Fury 09-02-06, 02:22 AM	I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. If those little animals don't want me to catch them, I'm not catching them. And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? If dogs have NA, humans certainly do. Because we're not talking about modern breeds of dogs, some of which can reach over 3 ft. tall at the shoulder! No no, we are talking about ancient Medieval breeds of dos like the boarhounds, or the ancestors of English Mastiffs. Some of which stood over 4 ft tall at the shoulder! That means that when standing on ALL FOURS! these dogs could look a man in the eyes!!!! I think the fact that they are noted to have heavy bones, and thick hides, as well as large masses of muscles around their necks and other vital areas, warrant a small degree of Natural Armor. If you want a slight idea of how big medieval dogs (and the doggies in the MM are), have a look at this little puppie known as Zorba (http://www.flickr.com/photos/darcheek/7122946/). Note Zorba is "only" 3 ft. tall at the shoulders, whereas the medieval dogs are even bigger! Cheers.
boozerker 09-02-06, 02:25 AM	OK, this thread is becoming ridiculous. It's obvious that Fluffy is male and the dog too. :P
Lord_Varos 09-02-06, 02:44 AM	To Draegun Fury: Wow. Got it. +1 Natural Armor it is. I don't think cats should have a racial modifier to Wisdom. Sure, they are good at observing their environment, but the other side of Wisdom is reacting to it. I will walk directly toward a cat, intent on going past it, and it will see me and look right at me. It then proceeds to sit there as I plow right into it. Not only will it usually not move, but sometimes it moves in stupid, unpredictable patterns right as I near it. I used to dance and prance around trying to avoid it while it freaks, but now I just try not to kick it while I go through. And on top of that, I can smell its dooky two stories up, through one closed and one open door and around a balcony. Bloody cats.
Arkan_Shadesfire 09-02-06, 04:06 AM	Oh my god, I laughed so hard reading this I hurt my ribs! (Crashing my bike in a 10' ditch last week may also have somehting to do with that.) Have any of you played the 1st level adventure "A Dark and Stormy Knight"? I was giving it a run through to play test a few new houserules of mine, and the first encounter is a rat swarm that is suprisingly dangerous... (The cleric got dropped to 1 hp) ...if it had been a swarm of feral cats instead, I would have had a total party kill on my hands! :rofl: >pictures the ECL 2 Tiefling Barbarian being torn to shreds by a swarm of fluffy kittens<
Lord Lorac Silvanos 09-02-06, 05:22 AM	Well we have +4 Dex, -6 Strength 4 Natural Attacks Tiny (+2 AC, +2 Attack) 30 ft move speed (significant for a Tiny Creature) +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently +8 racial bonus on Jump, Balance checks. Use their Dex mod instead of their Strength mod for Climb and Jump. I'd peg it at an LA+1 with Favored Class Rogue. Maybe borderline +2, but that would push it towards uselessness. The base Cat has the following ability adjustments: STR: -8 DEX: +4 WIS: +2 CHA: -4 INT: Animal
Vestigial_Thumb 09-02-06, 10:43 AM	Questions: Where is your cat getting +6 natural armor? She got most of the abilities from the Feral template, which I gave her. It was just for more blatant rulebreaking. And he is closer to 38 point buy; no DM is going to let you have a bonus more than one point for going lower than 8 on a stat. No, she had 28 point buy. The stats were modified from being a cat and from the Feral template, which is actually better for animals (the Int penalty from Feral can only take you down to 2). Were Beau such a Munchkin he would perhaps look better on paper. Beau can only be half-munchkin. Cat-dog. Do you want my grotesque breeding technology so Beau can be a munchkin? A creature that has class levels that it can't have and a template that can't be added. Sounds munchkinny to me. But it's Fluffy. It's the Chuck Norris of cats. I say 'it' because Fluffy's a hermaphrodite.
HauptSin 09-02-06, 10:50 AM	I will walk directly toward a cat, intent on going past it, and it will see me and look right at me. It then proceeds to sit there as I plow right into it. Not only will it usually not move, but sometimes it moves in stupid, unpredictable patterns right as I near it. I used to dance and prance around trying to avoid it while it freaks, but now I just try not to kick it while I go through. It is only a clever ploy, to trick you into thinking it's a stupid, harmless animal. Then, in the middle of the night...
ornitholestes 09-02-06, 12:07 PM	I would like to see fluffy the Swordsage. . .
Vestigial_Thumb 09-02-06, 12:19 PM	I would like to see fluffy the Swordsage. . . That would require more twinkery. I'd make Fluffy focus on Tiger Claw and Shadow Hand styles. Would that be okay? Anyways, I'm going out for a while. You can expect a Martial Adept Fluffy soon, though.
SeptimusMagistos 09-02-06, 12:37 PM	Could we please get back to Fluffy vs. Steve combats? Otherwise this needs to go to another forum.
greatamericanfolkhero 09-02-06, 01:15 PM	I seem to recall a tale where a party always thought twice about venturing into back alleys because they lost a sorceror and almost a rogue to a roving swarm of stray cats. It's the reason my players won't start a game at anything less than level 2. Personally I laugh at the fact that a petting zoo is a decent challenge for a level one party.
Funny 09-02-06, 03:00 PM	Wait a minute...maybe Fluffy is actually a familiar? Steve walks into his hut to find Fluffy, his adorable white kitty, glaring at him with an evil glint in her eye. She hisses, then leaps at him, fangs bared and claws stretching for his throat. Surprised, but not panicking, Steve calmly raises his trusty work knife just as the cat connects...OMG! SHOCKING TOUCH! It's a thundercat!!!
ornitholestes 09-02-06, 04:14 PM	Here we go, built using the common array (13,12,11,10,9,8). Though ludicrous, I believe the build is legal. Steve: Cat Killer Size/Type: Medium Humanoid (Human) Hit Dice: 1D4 (2 HP) Initiative: +5 Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares) Armor Class: 13 (+1 Dex, +2 Leather), touch 11, flat-footed 12 Base Attack/Grapple: +0/+1 Action Points: 3 (Heroic Spirit) Attack: Short Spear +1 melee (1D6+1) or Short Spear +1 ranged (1D6 +1) Full Attack: Short Spear +1 melee (1D6+1) or Short Spear +1 ranged (1D6 +1) Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft. Special Attacks: — Special Qualities: — Saves: Fort +0, Ref +1, Will -1 Abilities: Str 13, Dex 12, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 Skills: Concentration +2, Listen +4, Spot +4 Feats: Improved Initiative, Heroic Spirit (ECS) Environment: Cottage Organization: Single Challenge Rating: 1/2 Advancement: by character class Level Adjustment: — Steve stands grimly on the path facing his house. He knows that this day his courage and determination will be tested, and if he fails his very life hangs in the balance. For months, he has prepared for the challenge. Training in a cave with an insane monk he has sharpened his and steeled his heart . Steve firmly clutches the spear in his hand and adjusts the leather armor on his chest. He is destitute now, spending every cent on the battle gear that adorns him, but he knows that sacrifice was worth it – a warrior is only as good as the tools he carries. Steve takes a deep breath and focuses himself, Fluffy has slain his brother Steve, his father Steve, and his father Steve before him. It is time to face his destiny. . . Breakdown of Tactics: First, Steve burns an action point on his listen check (avg. 18) statistically, he should beat Fluffy’s move silently (avg. 16.5). He should win a little over half the time. Initiative is vitally important, a few lucky shots and Steve is down for the count. He burns another action point on initiative (avg 19) verses Fluffy’s (avg 12.5). Steve wins 75% of the time. Assuming he wins Steve charges a flat-footed Fluffy (AC 12) using his last action point. Steve’s average attack roll should be 17 (10.5 average D20 roll + 3.5 average D6 roll, +1, +2 for the charge), meaning he hits about 75% of the time. One solid hit will end Fluffy’s nightmarish existance. Of course if Steve does fail on the attack he is a sitting duck. . . I think I did my math correctly, but it has been quite a while sense I took statistics.
scienceman47 09-02-06, 06:56 PM	It's the reason my players won't start a game at anything less than level 2. Personally I laugh at the fact that a petting zoo is a decent challenge for a level one party. Is it an evil petting zoo?
AJ53 09-02-06, 11:37 PM	Is it an evil petting zoo? You, sir, made my day. And to be honest, playing an awakened cat is seeming more and more like a good idea <_<
kamikazewind 09-03-06, 12:40 AM	I have a cat just like that. he has like a +3 atk so my arm is messed up. but luckliy for me im a 3 monk/3 fighter. so his claws are nothing for my mighty feet of fury (tae kwon do) but still my cat is just as evil as fluffy. now how about a house cat vs a dog?
PhaedrusXY 09-03-06, 12:51 AM	Jesus... this is the best freakin' thread EVAR! :rofl: :heehee
Vestigial_Thumb 09-03-06, 10:04 AM	Jesus... this is the best freakin' thread EVAR! :rofl: :heehee I know! :dancin:
HauptSin 09-03-06, 11:33 AM	Possibly a 20th level Monk? (http://killbillchuck.ytmnd.com/)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-03-06, 02:28 PM	Possibly a 20th level Monk? (http://killbillchuck.ytmnd.com/) I think Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee are too goodhearted to hurt poor Fluffy. Fluffy also respects Chuck and Bruce's martial skills, and will not attack them either. Fluffy is their friend. Not Steve's.
hiryuu 09-03-06, 03:05 PM	I've seen a guy mauled by a cat before. It was not pretty. He somehow thought he'd just go outside and kill the cats making all the noise in the neighborhood, managed to smack one with a monkey wrench, but the other one, when he cornered it, jumped on his face. I remember the ambulance hauling him away: his left ear was missing, most of the flesh on the right side of his face was gone, he didn't have a lower lip, and his left eye had some serious damage, as well as most of his arms where he had tried to block his throat from the animal's attacks. Then, if I remeber right, he got into legal trouble for trying to beat a cat to death with a monkey wrench. Let this be a lesson: do not corner feral cats.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-03-06, 04:39 PM	I've seen a guy mauled by a cat before. It was not pretty. He somehow thought he'd just go outside and kill the cats making all the noise in the neighborhood, managed to smack one with a monkey wrench, but the other one, when he cornered it, jumped on his face. I remember the ambulance hauling him away: his left ear was missing, most of the flesh on the right side of his face was gone, he didn't have a lower lip, and his left eye had some serious damage, as well as most of his arms where he had tried to block his throat from the animal's attacks. That sounds like the work of Fluffy. Same Modus Operandi. Same kind of damage. Then, if I remeber right, he got into legal trouble for trying to beat a cat to death with a monkey wrench. Let this be a lesson: do not corner feral cats. Fluffy = Feral Cat. Don't mess with Fluffy. At all! She's got PETA on her side. And the police.
Caliborn 09-03-06, 04:44 PM	He let himself get into such a position where the cat would have easy access to his face? That's just dumb. Not that I have, but if you're going to go kill something smaller than you but still relatively dangerous you take a shovel or a sizable stick, something with reach, not a little knife or wrench that forces you to put your precious organs and bits in the danger zone. I mean seriously, it's just common sense.
hiryuu 09-03-06, 04:47 PM	He let himself get into such a position where the cat would have easy access to his face? That's just dumb. Not that I have, but if you're going to go kill something smaller than you but still relatively dangerous you take a shovel or a sizable stick, something with reach, not a little knife or wrench that forces you to put your precious organs and bits in the danger zone. I mean seriously, it's just common sense. Hmm. You mean, something a low-level character with no combat experience might do? Besides, it didn't have easy access to his face; it cleared almost five feet of distance from the ground to get to him. Heck, I've fought boar before (hint: don't), and I know how dangerous small animals are. That doesn't mean everyone does or can defend themselves against them.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-03-06, 04:50 PM	Heck, I've fought boar before (hint: don't), and I know how dangerous small animals are. I once had to fend off a crazy cat. It was hell on both body and soul. I think I'll write a guide on how to successfully fight Fluffy, or any crazy/wild/feral cat.
Caliborn 09-03-06, 04:59 PM	I'm a low level character with no combat experience. And believe me, I'll be taking your advice about the boar. As far as I'm concerned five feet from cat to face is too close when the thing is a ****** off stray, unless he was really short he'd have to be standing right over it. If you're good enough with a stick/shovel to be able to hit it reliably then do that from as far away as you can, otherwise use projectiles or give it up as a bad job. Do not engage them on their own terms, that is a nono.
boozerker 09-03-06, 05:00 PM	Yeah, nasty cats are... nasty. :) Regular house-cats you might get away with that shovel strategy, but some alley cats are dangerously quick and feral when threatened. In other words: Fluffy. There's this funny tale of a pit bull yelping down the street at full speed with a hissing cat on its back, claws sunk in and hair standing on end. You know, Fluffy.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-03-06, 05:14 PM	I found a cat that is not Fluffy. http://home.tiscali.be/joke1/Neju4/cat-dog.jpg Fluffy would never put up with this.
boozerker 09-03-06, 05:30 PM	That's Fluffy's familiar ...and fun-toy. Fluffy's gotta unwind sometimes, you know ;)
Caliborn 09-03-06, 06:50 PM	I, well...I don't really know how to respond to a picture of a dog ******* a cat, other than to stop looking at it that is.
Norsesmithy 09-03-06, 06:55 PM	I had to deal with a feral tomcat once, He had been fighing our cats, and had nearly killed the one, I cornered him in the barn with a hockey stick, he rushed me and I swung but only dealt him a glancing blow. He latched on my leg, and when I tried to grab him, he shifted to my arm. So I used my other hand to grab his neck, which I then snapped with my thumb. He weighed 18 lbs, and was like 30 inches long, not including his head and tail. I almost needed stitches. (though the sweat shirt and blue jeans were ruined by the rips and blood)
Caliborn 09-03-06, 07:03 PM	Now that I think about it cats really should get a Rake or Rend ability, or both. More likely Rake.
Braids 09-03-06, 07:07 PM	This thread has actually inspired what may be a truly evil encounter for the next low-level adventure I write -- a cat swarm! :evillaugh Somewhere on the forums there is a Kitten Swarm...I was planning to use it in a campaign where some evil cat god was trhying to exterminate the elves.
bhu 09-03-06, 07:12 PM	i once had to have 6 stitches put in my left knee because of a ticked off Siamese. And I can verify that yes, cats do very much rake. And have you all seen Fluffy's cousin Pinky? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR_LHlFwlhk
boozerker 09-03-06, 07:29 PM	Somewhere on the forums there is a Kitten Swarm...I was planning to use it in a campaign where some evil cat god was trhying to exterminate the elves. A swarm of kittens.. how cute! :D
boozerker 09-03-06, 07:47 PM	...Having gathered a legion of followers, Fluffy unleashed the hellish swarm of cats... but having underestimated Steve, was foiled by his swarming balls of yarn.Swarm played with swarm, and Steve walked around to strike at Fluffy, now mouth-agape flatfooted. i once had to have 6 stitches put in my left knee because of a ticked off Siamese. And I can verify that yes, cats do very much rake. And have you all seen Fluffy's cousin Pinky? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR_LHlFwlhk That's comical when he went to extract the cat from his leg. :rofl:
Gil Gwath 09-03-06, 08:05 PM	i really think i have to share how my cat like to play with me and my group... :) http://thumb1.webshots.com/t/54/154/3/21/9/2347321090090443261yRbnNw_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2347321090090443261yRbnNw) http://thumb1.webshots.com/t/46/46/4/70/72/2458470720090443261GKBCOI_th.jpg (http://community.webshots.com/photo/2458470720090443261GKBCOI) [click for opening them]
CedricBrooks 09-03-06, 08:12 PM	Somewhere on the forums there is a Kitten Swarm...I was planning to use it in a campaign where some evil cat god was trhying to exterminate the elves. That's not evil, that's a public service.
hiryuu 09-03-06, 08:42 PM	Somewhere on the forums there is a Kitten Swarm...I was planning to use it in a campaign where some evil cat god was trhying to exterminate the elves. A swarm of kittens attacked lower Alrethia today. No one was seriously injured, though several balls of yarn lost their lives and several maidens were overcome with cuteness. They are currently undergoing treatment, and are expected to recover and return to their families within the week.
Dolomite 09-03-06, 10:03 PM	Wait a minute...maybe Fluffy is actually a familiar? Steve walks into his hut to find Fluffy, his adorable white kitty, glaring at him with an evil glint in her eye. She hisses, then leaps at him, fangs bared and claws stretching for his throat. Surprised, but not panicking, Steve calmly raises his trusty work knife just as the cat connects...OMG! SHOCKING TOUCH! It's a thundercat!!! MUST....NOT.....SAY IT!!! EURRRRGH!!!!! DAMN YOU!!! I MUST SAY IT!! THUNDER! THUNDER! THUNDERCATS HOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Feel the Magic!! Hear the Meow!! Thundercats are loose!!! I feel so wrong for even typing this, but strangely cleansed:confused:
Dolomite 09-03-06, 10:07 PM	You know now we have to make a Magic weapon for Fluffy right? I think the commoner is gonna have to go for some level training now.
Donraj 09-03-06, 11:31 PM	Somewhere on the forums there is a Kitten Swarm...I was planning to use it in a campaign where some evil cat god was trhying to exterminate the elves. I'll do you one better. In my up-coming campaign the elven lands have suddenly begun being plagued by a new race of around a hundred true-breeding half-green dragon cats.
__DnD4Life__ 09-03-06, 11:44 PM	I've seen a guy mauled by a cat before. It was not pretty. He somehow thought he'd just go outside and kill the cats making all the noise in the neighborhood, managed to smack one with a monkey wrench, but the other one, when he cornered it, jumped on his face. I remember the ambulance hauling him away: his left ear was missing, most of the flesh on the right side of his face was gone, he didn't have a lower lip, and his left eye had some serious damage, as well as most of his arms where he had tried to block his throat from the animal's attacks. Then, if I remeber right, he got into legal trouble for trying to beat a cat to death with a monkey wrench. Let this be a lesson: do not corner feral cats. Nice! Good thing that guy got legal action, or he woulda probly gotten some other action involving a monkey wrench and his face....
Melayl 09-04-06, 03:04 AM	Heh. Fluffy reminds me of 2 of my cousin's 3 cats...When Ralph went outside, you never knew what might end up dead on the doorstep (I fully expected to get a call someday saying Ralph had killed the mailman). That being said, this is the funnies freakin' thread on the boards!
Lord Lorac Silvanos 09-04-06, 03:50 AM	I tried making a Cat Swarm. It is not based on Fluffy, but rather on the normal cat variety. I put it together rather quickly so there might be errors. Suggestions for changes are of course also welcome. Tiny Animal (Swarm) Hit Dice: 6d8 (27 hp) Initiative: +6 Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares) Armor Class: 14 (+2 size, +2 Dex), touch 14, flat-footed 12 Base Attack/Grapple: +4/– Attack: Swarm (2d6) Full Attack: Swarm (2d6) Space/Reach: 10 ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Distraction Special Qualities: Half damage from bludgeoning, slashing and piercing, low-light vision, scent, swarm traits Saves: Fort +5, Ref +7, Will +3 Abilities: Str 3, Dex 15, Con 10, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 7 Skills: Balance +10, Climb +6, Hide +16X, Jump +10, Listen +5, Move Silently +8, Spot +5 Feats: Alertness, Improved Initiative, Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Temperate plains, Urban Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 2 Treasure: None Alignment: Always neutral Advancement: None Level Adjustment: — _ Combat Cats prefer to sneak up on their prey. They surround and attack any warm-blooded prey that enters its territory. A swarm deals 2d6 points of damage to any creature whose space it occupies at the end of its move. _ Distraction (Ex): Any living creature that begins its turn with a swarm in its square must succeed on a DC 13 Fortitude save or be nauseated for 1 round. The save DC is Constitution-based. _ Skills: Cat swarms have a +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently checks and a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks. Cats have a +8 racial bonus on Balance checks. They use their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier for Climb and Jump checks. X: In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus rises to +8.
guru7892 09-04-06, 03:53 AM	Proof Fluffy is a heartless ninja (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Et0nlSdPc)
boozerker 09-04-06, 04:26 AM	Lord Lorac Silvanos, far as I can tell your cat swarm looks great. Maybe give them a weakness against water? :)
syrinth 09-04-06, 04:46 AM	Blast it all to the Nine Hells! Now I so want to play a cat Telepath Thrallherd >.<
anki 09-04-06, 05:40 AM	This thread is sick...in a good way!hehe Since we are talking about cats with murderous streaks... Me and my buddy were playing Icewind Dale II.We tought up a nice tactic:he would a sorceror and would be a rogue and that the whole party.The plan was he would stack up area affecting spells like fireball and web my rogue would run into the enemy ranks so they would be concetraded on me while the sorc cast fireball.I would evade,there monsters wouldn't.It was cool while we were killing the goblins,but not for long... When we got the old lady's house filled with a dozen or so cats we said to each other:"Hey lets kill these cats!we would get about 20 XP for them,which is about a goblins worth.This is going to be easy!" ...Yeah right... So worked out a quick plan.I hid and sneak attacked one while the sorc positioned himself and cast mage armour.So we did...I stabbed the kitty dealing enough damage to make him explode in a bloody gory splash.As we expected the rest of the cats would turn from neutral to hostile.And so they did.And to our horror,seeing there friends bloody demise,they ganged up on the sorc.He tried to cast magic missile but the cats AoO him and before he could finish his spell the cats finished him of.They didn't deal much damage,about 1-2,but to a 1st level sorc thats too much.As I watched my friend get butchered by not-so-cute-and-friendly cats,I decided to run the hell away!But before i could succeed on running through the door the cats beat me to it.Having tasted blood,they where out for more,specificly my blood...So i charged the cats with my short sword and dagger armed and ready.I managed to stabb and kill 2 of them but,using the all to good tactic,they surrounded me and before i knew it my rogue recieved to painfull criticals,making him drop to floor while the enraged cats clawed him to death... ...Suffering utter hummiliation by our defeat,even if we could load the game again we decide we don't want to play this game anymore...Ever! :raincloud
Lord Lorac Silvanos 09-04-06, 08:16 AM	Lord Lorac Silvanos, far as I can tell your cat swarm looks great. Thank you.:) Maybe give them a weakness against water? :) They already have a poor swim modifier (-4 for 3 STR), which probably will serve to keep them out of water. Now we all know that their real weakness is distraction from balls of yarn:P
savant_warlord13 09-04-06, 04:59 PM	Well, I gave him the hardest-hitting simple one-handed weapon, just for the fun of it. With Fluffy's 2hp, and with Steve's 13 Str giving him a +1 damage bonus, if Steve hits Fluffy with *any* weapon, Fluffy dies. And this is a Human with the crap-stats(13,11,11,10,9,8) and a single level of the DMG's Commoner class, giving him weapon proficiency(Morningstar), and 2 feats(Toughness and Dodge). The Dodge actually didn't help him in any of the matches I ran... Steve's 13 strength gives him an unfair advantage. He should have all 10s and 11s. He should also have a club, rather than a morningstar.
bhu 09-04-06, 05:25 PM	This thread has reminded me of a creature Im working on for my Comedy campaign. Anyone interested in a Were Kitten template?:D
savant_warlord13 09-04-06, 05:27 PM	My cat: Ultra Cat CR 17 Tiny Magical Beast Init +10; Senses Listen , Spot , Darkvision 90 ft Languages Common, Sylvan ---------------------------------------------------------- AC 52, touch 46, flat-footed 42 (+2 size, +10 dex, +6 natural, +12 insight, +12 luck) hp 56 (2 HD); DR 10/epic, [Fast Healing] 20 Immune Resist Fire 10, Cold 10 SR 40 Fort +21, Ref +23, Will +19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Speed 90 ft Melee 2 battleaxes +23 melee (1d4+25 plus 1d6 fire or 2d10 fire on a critical hit) and 2 claws +17 melee (1d2+22) Space 2 1/2 ft; Reach 0 ft Base Atk +0; Grp +21 Atk Options Weapon Finesse, Superior 2 weapon fighting Special Actions Spell-Like abilities Combat Gear 2 +1 flaming burst mouthpick battleaxes ---------------------------------------------------------- Abilities Str 18, Dex 30, Con 27, Int 17, Wis 27, Cha 22 Feats Stealthy, Weapon Finesse (B), Combat Reflexes (B), Improved Initiative (B) Advancement by character class Possessions 2 +1 flaming burst mouthpick battleaxes, backpack with 3d4 diamonds and 12d2 platinum pieces. ---------------------------------------------------------- Spell-Like Abilities 3/day- Greater Dispel Magic, Haste, See Invisibility (CL 15) Superior 2 Weapon Fighting No penalties for fighting with two weapons
Vestigial_Thumb 09-04-06, 05:36 PM	My cat: Super Cat CR 15 Tiny Magical Beast Init +10; Senses Listen , Spot Languages Common, Sylvan ---------------------------------------------------------- AC 51, touch 46, flat-footed 41 (+2 size, +10 dex, +5 natural, +12 insight, +12 luck) hp 23 (1/2 HD); DR 10/epic, [Fast Healing] 20 Immune Resist Fire 10, Cold 10 SR 40 Fort +19, Ref +22, Will +18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Speed 90 ft Melee Greataxe +28 melee (1d8+20 plus 1d6 fire or 2d10 fire on a critical hit) and 2 claws +22 melee (1d2+20) Space 2 1/2 ft; Reach 0 ft Base Atk +0; Grp +21 Atk Options Weapon Finesse Special Actions Spell-Like abilities Combat Gear +1 flaming burst mouthpick greataxe ---------------------------------------------------------- Abilities Str 18, Dex 30, Con 25, Int 17, Wis 27, Cha 22 Feats Stealthy, Weapon Finesse (B) Advancement by character class Possessions +1 flaming burst mouthpick greataxe, backpack with 3d4 diamonds and 12d2 platinum pieces. ---------------------------------------------------------- Spell-Like Abilities 3/day Greater Dispel Magic, Haste, See Invisibility (CL 15) Attacks assume Weapon Finesse Upstage me, will ya? :P
FellBlade 09-06-06, 11:02 AM	aww when i left poor fluffy on friday she was just a poor abused house cat and now she has blosomed into a lethal killing machene! good work guys ps: how do i put pictures on my post (if i can i will post a pic of my verry own killing machene)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-06-06, 11:55 AM	ps: how do i put pictures on my post (if i can i will post a pic of my verry own killing machene) [IMG][ /IMG] Without the space, of course. First, right-click on the picture and click "view image". Enter that link.
FellBlade 09-06-06, 12:21 PM	all i have is a pic on my computer, not a link to one on the internet, a .jpg if you will
Omega the Powerfull 09-06-06, 12:31 PM	Entering an opponent's square provokes an AoO regardless of the move involved in getting there. PH page 137. - 5 ft steps don't provoke AoO
__DnD4Life__ 09-06-06, 12:41 PM	all i have is a pic on my computer, not a link to one on the internet, a .jpg if you will load it onto one of the many image loading sites on the net. Such as imageshack. PH page 137. - 5 ft steps don't provoke AoOthat rule is overruled, since you ALWAYS provoke from someone when entering their square. Unless they are unable to deliver the AoO of course. The 5 ft step sometimes provokes too.
FellBlade 09-06-06, 01:03 PM	BOOM!! CAT OF DOOM http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/948/pictureorvideo013kr8.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictureorvideo013kr8.jpg) Woe to all who oppose the dread cat...Chosen of Hextor!!!
epifreak 09-06-06, 04:59 PM	BOOM!! CAT OF DOOM http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/948/pictureorvideo013kr8.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictureorvideo013kr8.jpg) Woe to all who oppose the dread cat...Chosen of Hextor!!! That's it!? You ***! I soiled my armor I was so scared.
FellBlade 09-06-06, 05:18 PM	That's it!? You ***! I soiled my armor I was so scared. and rightfully so, she has 1/8th of a hitdice!! & natural weapons!
__DnD4Life__ 09-06-06, 06:10 PM	So, now the question is, Can a housecat tangle with a dog and win? Im pretty sure a commoner can kill a dog, so maybe the cat can too?
hat 09-06-06, 06:32 PM	Sure you wouldn't carry a .303 to work, but how about a knife? Not to mention lots of people do go about their lives armed, I have a conceled carry permit, and carry a .44 MAG everywhere but community college (though If I were to stat myself out, I think I would at least be a warrior, STR 17 humans don't take commoner levels [and yes I can lift 260 lbs over my head]) Is it just me or is does this seem really odd. Do you have the fold outs from "Guns and Ammo" magazine all over your walls? Maybe it's just because I don't live in the USA :confused:
scienceman47 09-06-06, 06:45 PM	Thats the reason hat. People in america occasionally carry arms, without being batshit crazy. Not all of us mind you, but some.
Norsesmithy 09-06-06, 07:03 PM	Is it just me or is does this seem really odd. Do you have the fold outs from "Guns and Ammo" magazine all over your walls? Maybe it's just because I don't live in the USA :confused: Silly, "Guns and Ammo" doesn't have fold-outs. I live in an area where guns out number people, violent crime is practically nonexistent, 'cause you know that if you mug someone you will get shot by a by-stander, because it's even money that more than half of the old ladies and disinterested youth that you could count on to ignore you, or maybe just stand there looking shocked, in say New York or LA, have a gun on their person and will not hesitate to shoot a criminal. This is, IMO, almost a perfect situation. One of the many reasons I carry a gun is that, when I was 14, I was mugged by a baseball bat wielding crackhead, in Boston, and no-one tried to stop him or even tried to help me as I lay bleeding on the ground. It wasn't until I stood up that anyone tried to help me. If I see that happening to some one else, I want to stop it, with lethal force if necessary. In Minnesota, if I have reasonable suspicion that someone in my house is committing a felony, I can kill him with no legal reprocussions. Breaking and entering is a felony. So if you are in my house without my permission, your life is legally forfeit.
CedricBrooks 09-06-06, 07:03 PM	Thats the reason hat. People in america occasionally carry arms, without being batshit crazy. Not all of us mind you, but some. Most actually, and if you listen to anti-gun facists, every cop's shot him self in the foot at least twice. On topic, I've read of a bobcat taking down a deer, basicly jumped on it's back, claw the heck out of it with it's back feet and gnawed a hole in it's side, Cougar's do the same thing, weird how a 100lbs. cat can take a 650lbs. buck. Hunting rates appenatly vary on the cougar, anywhere from 1 in 10 to 9 out of 10, Forest Cats of North America is a good book, and has some really great photos.
CedricBrooks 09-06-06, 07:07 PM	In Minnesota, if I have reasonable suspicion that someone in my house has committed a felony, I can kill him with no legal reprocussions. Breaking and entering is a felony. So if you are in my house without my permission, your life is legally forfeit. Damn well the way it should be, none of this crap of sueing because I'm a moron and fell on your butcher knife when I fell threw the skylight on my way to take your TV. If someone's willing to break into someone's home and take their stuff, who knows what they are going to do if they get caught, if they are willing to break into a house, they are proably willing to take your life.
Norsesmithy 09-06-06, 07:41 PM	Most actually, and if you listen to anti-gun facists, every cop's shot him self in the foot at least twice. On topic, I've read of a bobcat taking down a deer, basicly jumped on it's back, claw the heck out of it with it's back feet and gnawed a hole in it's side, Cougar's do the same thing, weird how a 100lbs. cat can take a 650lbs. buck. Hunting rates appenatly vary on the cougar, anywhere from 1 in 10 to 9 out of 10, Forest Cats of North America is a good book, and has some really great photos. Where are you going to find a 650 lb buck? White tail only get to around 250 lbs, and cougars tend to leave deer alone that out weigh-them, only going for deer smaller than they are. Now an Elk can reach 650 lbs, but they are called bulls, not bucks, and cougars only prey on old and sick or young and weak Elk. Now wolves on the other-hand, will team together, so around 500 lbs of wolves can take down 1500 lbs of bull moose, or rarely 2500 lbs of bison, but that is pretty rare. A starving cougar, like exist in many areas in California will often attack animals that outweigh them, but the ones who chose a 150 lb deer often get injured, and the ones who attack 150 lb people learn most of us make easy prey, and eat bicyclists. And what is a "Hunting Rate"?
CedricBrooks 09-06-06, 08:00 PM	Where are you going to find a 650 lb buck? White tail only get to around 250 lbs, and cougars tend to leave deer alone that out weigh-them, only going for deer smaller than they are. Now an Elk can reach 650 lbs, but they are called bulls, not bucks, and cougars only prey on old and sick or young and weak Elk. Now wolves on the other-hand, will team together, so around 500 lbs of wolves can take down 1500 lbs of bull moose, or rarely 2500 lbs of bison, but that is pretty rare. A starving cougar, like exist in many areas in California will often attack animals that outweigh them, but the ones who chose a 150 lb deer often get injured, and the ones who attack 150 lb people learn most of us make easy prey, and eat bicyclists. And what is a "Hunting Rate"? I'm pulling from memory, it was proably elk it was talking about, I'm not a hunter and don't have much intrest in it, I love guns, just don't like shooting living things, don't shoot what your not going to eat and all that so I'm not up on all that and I've only read one of my Cougar books. And no, Cougars don't take the sick and weak, they take want's out by it's self, if thats the sick and weak then so be it. that cat can run at around 45 miles per hour, and can leap onto their back and go for the neck before it knows it, and yeah, bad hunters do end up dead, but they are mostly ambush/stalker types, the perfect rogue really. The hunting rate was poorly worded, but depending on the cougar's skill, such as a really good hunter, mostly likely a female that's had cubs, could be as good as to get a big meal 9 times out of 10, males tend to be like 1 out of ten, if I read it right. I got two other books I haven't read yet but the one I did read is Forest Cats of North America written by Jerry Kobalenko, and was worth the money just for the pictures. your more likely to be hit by lighting then be attacked by a cougar, most attacks seem to be ones that either trigger instinct like bending over and exposing the neck, or just a case of screwing up, like attacking a horse with out realising that there's a person riding it.
Norsesmithy 09-06-06, 10:02 PM	I have never heard a story of a cougar killing a full grown healthy elk. I have, however, seen a dead cougar that was trampled to death by a 350 lb cow elk, in Montana, and a man who I trust was eye witness to the big cat's demise. That cat weighed 180 lbs, and was well fed, but decided to try for the cow elk's calf. No predator, in predator prey studies is ever sucessful on more than a third of hunts (and the animals who are this successful are generally pack hunters like wolves and hyenas, not solitary hunters like tigers and cougars), and a mother feeding cubs tends to be less sucessful in the hunt than an unattached individual predator, especially if the mother is a lone hunter. No solitary hunter, baring very little predators, ever goes after (healthy) game animals bigger than itself, the risk of injury is far to great. A wolf that gets a leg broken by an elk or deer often survives because his packmates will care for him and keep him fed, despite his (temporary) inability to hunt, a solitary predator like a cougar has no one to take care of him during a recovery period after an injury, and they most often starve before healing. In a prey predator relationship study I read out of Idaho, the dietary habits of 8 cougars were monitored over 18 months, 50% of the prey (by weight!)eaten by the 8 cats were small animals like hares. 50% by weight, imagine the number of hares it takes to equal the weight of an average mule deer (it is something like 50). The largest prey animal taken in the 18 month study was a 240 lb mule deer doe (that was evidently crippled by a fall) taken by a 220 lb male cougar. An unarmed human can sucessfully fight off a cougar of equivilant weight maybe 75% of the time, baring being struck on the neck straight off the bat (call that a "Critical Hit" on the part of the cougar).
CedricBrooks 09-06-06, 10:35 PM	I'll post more when I learn more, I proably won't get to the other books untill the end of the week, but males in this book are souposed to range about 145 to 165lbs. I do know that only in the desert is there any witness to anything a cougar does, they are basicly ghosts other wise, with only tracks and their leftovers to find out, but there is at least one case of tracks showing a cougar taking down a full grown buck(yes I mean deer this time) for a full 50 yards the cougar was on it's back. You just don't find a cougar with out treeing it or it's out in the open like a desert. Your right about them getting hurt doing it to, there's been one cougar found to have impaled it's neck while chasing a deer, another one broke it's neck cause it was riding on the side of an elk and the elk ran it into a tree. It's a hard gamble, but the digestive system doesn't hold up to hares, it's to big and wastes to much on stuff like that, Hares are the Lynx and Bobcat food anyway. Besides, if a bobcat can take a deer, a cougar can take an elk, Cats are the best killer nature ever made. Not to be rude, but I'm not going to post again untill I read my other books, just in case this one was written by a fanboy type or just got bad information, great pictures though, but I'm going to lay off just incase, so I can save grace if this guy's wrong ya'know?
Norsesmithy 09-06-06, 11:00 PM	Thats cool man, I know that lots of times, when it comes to big predators, many "Scholastic" sources are conjecture based on third hand tales, or fanboi hyperbole wrapped up in a convicing and very literate shell, I have fallen victum to it as well.
hat 09-07-06, 01:54 AM	Silly, "Guns and Ammo" doesn't have fold-outs. I live in an area where guns out number people, violent crime is practically nonexistent, 'cause you know that if you mug someone you will get shot by a by-stander, because it's even money that more than half of the old ladies and disinterested youth that you could count on to ignore you, or maybe just stand there looking shocked, in say New York or LA, have a gun on their person and will not hesitate to shoot a criminal. This is, IMO, almost a perfect situation. One of the many reasons I carry a gun is that, when I was 14, I was mugged by a baseball bat wielding crackhead, in Boston, and no-one tried to stop him or even tried to help me as I lay bleeding on the ground. It wasn't until I stood up that anyone tried to help me. If I see that happening to some one else, I want to stop it, with lethal force if necessary. In Minnesota, if I have reasonable suspicion that someone in my house is committing a felony, I can kill him with no legal reprocussions. Breaking and entering is a felony. So if you are in my house without my permission, your life is legally forfeit. We are all entitled to our own opinions. No offence intended, I guess I just don't agree with yours. I don't believe that owning a gun or carrying a gun necessarily protects people from violent crime. Indeed, carrying a gun doesn't mean that a baseball bat wielding crackhead won't sneak up behind you or jump out of an alley and mug you again before you have time to react. I also don't like the idea of my fellow law abiding citizens walking around the streets armed with weapons. Judgement is a funny thing, and I don't like the idea of entrusting armed civilians to make the right judgement call at a moments notice or in stressful situations. However, as I said, I don't mean to offend and you can take my comments as you will, especially as I'm one of those gun hating anti-gun types.
Thurbane 09-07-06, 03:42 AM	Hmm, from cats vs. commoners to gun control in the USA today...talk about offtopic...:rolleyes: (As a topic I've debated rather extensively on more appropriate forums, I can tell you that this is one of those deabtes where neither side will ever make the slightest dent in the other sides' opinion).
hat 09-07-06, 03:45 AM	Hmm, from cats vs. commoners to gun control in the USA today...talk about offtopic...:rolleyes: (As a topic I've debated rather extensively on more appropriate forums, I can tell you that this is one of those deabtes where neither side will ever make the slightest dent in the other sides' opinion). Off topic...what do you mean??? Can't you see the connection?
Thurbane 09-07-06, 04:52 AM	Ah, so the commoner has an arquebus? That's an exotic weapon proficiency, right? SO his other feat should be Rapid Reload...or is it Point Blank Shot? :D
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 10:41 AM	It's on topic! It's implying the legality of sneak attacking fluffly with a ranged weapon! Really though, cat's haven't changed at all expect in size and personality, very effective hunters, even the calmest domestic cat will walk in with a bird and eat it right on the worst thing it could. Then give you a "I caught it! Aren't you proud of me!" look, I think a cat a few thousand years ago proably would have been really scarcy actually, considering canned cat food hadn't been invented yet, poor fully, no chicken and gravy. And on the off topic thing, you right about it going nowhere, Which is why I propose the other side to move away and leave me alone.:)
Lord Lorac Silvanos 09-07-06, 11:03 AM	Really though, cat's haven't changed at all expect in size and personality, very effective hunters, even the calmest domestic cat will walk in with a bird and eat it right on the worst thing it could. Then give you a "I caught it! Aren't you proud of me!" look, I think a cat a few thousand years ago proably would have been really scarcy actually, considering canned cat food hadn't been invented yet, poor fully, no chicken and gravy. I have trained mine to only eat game in the bathroom so it is easy to clean up ;)
FellBlade 09-07-06, 11:15 AM	Silly, "Guns and Ammo" doesn't have fold-outs. I live in an area where guns out number people, violent crime is practically nonexistent, 'cause you know that if you mug someone you will get shot by a by-stander, because it's even money that more than half of the old ladies and disinterested youth that you could count on to ignore you, or maybe just stand there looking shocked, in say New York or LA, have a gun on their person and will not hesitate to shoot a criminal. This is, IMO, almost a perfect situation. One of the many reasons I carry a gun is that, when I was 14, I was mugged by a baseball bat wielding crackhead, in Boston, and no-one tried to stop him or even tried to help me as I lay bleeding on the ground. It wasn't until I stood up that anyone tried to help me. If I see that happening to some one else, I want to stop it, with lethal force if necessary. In Minnesota, if I have reasonable suspicion that someone in my house is committing a felony, I can kill him with no legal reprocussions. Breaking and entering is a felony. So if you are in my house without my permission, your life is legally forfeit. FALSE, FALSE & FALSE, you are either verry disilusioned or an outright liar An unarmed human can sucessfully fight off a cougar of equivilant weight maybe 75% of the time, baring being struck on the neck straight off the bat (call that a "Critical Hit" on the part of the cougar). AND FALSE!
scienceman47 09-07-06, 11:34 AM	Enough of you people and your guns. Do not respond, do not say anything, even if you are the rightest right to ever right. Now we talk of cats. Heres a cat here, that was just too extreme to put in ToB. I think it might be what fluffy may look like, in the future. http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/tob_gallery/99717.jpg Clearly the fluffy will have forsaken depth perception for the sake of looking creepy as hell. (btw, fluffy is the white one, thats not a... tower.)
FellBlade 09-07-06, 01:44 PM	i duno mine is still much more awe inspiring
__DnD4Life__ 09-07-06, 01:55 PM	i duno mine is still much more awe inspiring agreed. That cat looks evil.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 03:00 PM	Why exactly is Fluffly evil? Maybe he was just getting back at Steve for kicking him to many times, Maybe he's taken up the cause of good, and petitioned the Cat lord for some help or something? Teach Steve to be skimping the money from Fluffy's Chicken and gravy for a cow. Now my Cedric, nice little guy, doesn't talk much, make for a good LG fighter type, hmm, I need to go back and look for how to post images....
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 03:15 PM	http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5697/hpim0843tj9.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim0843tj9.jpg) Ha, Good Kitty, he'll grow up and put Paladin's to shame for their selfish and greedy ways :).
boozerker 09-07-06, 03:20 PM	Clearly the fluffy will have forsaken depth perception for the sake of looking creepy as hell. That cat is awesome! (btw, fluffy is the white one, thats not a... tower.) Not a tower.. it's not related to the dreaded gazebo (http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/98/Jul/gazebo.html), is it? :)
savant_warlord13 09-07-06, 03:24 PM	No, I meant the actual Frightful Presence (Ex) ability -- http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#frightfulPresence Would you want to **** with that cat?!? ;) Purple Worms don't have frightful presence, but some cats do?
hiryuu 09-07-06, 03:38 PM	FALSE, FALSE & FALSE, you are either verry disilusioned or an outright liar I don't know where you live, but where I grew up, we had less crime than the rich neighborhood, because anytime someone broke into a house on our block, there was a chance he'd get shot. And yes, in most of the US, it's prefectly legal to do whatever you want to anyone in your house who happens to be uninvited and not attended by an invited guest. Just as much as you have the right to "uninvite" someone at any time and remove them by nonlethal means (but see below). Heck, I currently live in Florida, where it's okay to kill someone if you have reasonable suspicion that someone is threatening you, and I haven't seen a rise in violent crime in the slightest since that ruling came back into the books. If anything, I've seen fewer violent crimes and more vandalism, since it's less likely you'll get shot for carrying a spray paint can. Anyway, as someone who has fought animals before, I can tell you that I don't want to get near big cats with a ten-foot spear, most especially because animals seem to be able to instinctively aim for your squishier parts and your face. However, I also know that if you stand up and clap your hands over your head while shouting, large predators have a tendency to back down, which most likely will work with large cats who aren't actively hunting you (hint: do not try this with wolves that are in packs and are already closing in; you're better off ramming your hand down their throat and grabbing the base of their tongue. They start yipping and trying to get away, and the rest usually back down).
FellBlade 09-07-06, 03:38 PM	http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5697/hpim0843tj9.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim0843tj9.jpg) Ha, Good Kitty, he'll grow up and put Paladin's to shame for their selfish and greedy ways :). VS BOOM!! CAT OF DOOM http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/948/pictureorvideo013kr8.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictureorvideo013kr8.jpg) Woe to all who oppose the dread cat...Chosen of Hextor!!! "Bring it!!" no one can stand up to my BBEG cat
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 03:41 PM	VS "Bring it!!" Mine wins, he even has a cape.
FellBlade 09-07-06, 03:47 PM	remember she is a BBEG cat she will always get away at the last moment due to dm intervention:evillaugh
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 03:54 PM	Which makes mine the hero, who at the end of the story wins anyway? :)
FellBlade 09-07-06, 04:11 PM	not as long as mine is still around to plot evil MUHAHAHAHAHA!
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 04:13 PM	Right, that's when the series stops making money right?:)
FellBlade 09-07-06, 04:15 PM	thats usualy how it goes
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 04:17 PM	well that was a little bit of a let down on the ending....:weep:
FellBlade 09-07-06, 04:18 PM	oh i forgot something....ahem....Muhahahah!:evillaug h
Norsesmithy 09-07-06, 04:26 PM	FALSE, FALSE & FALSE, you are either verry disilusioned or an outright liar AND FALSE! You are injecting your opinion into a discussion of fact. It is a fact that in my area, their are fewer than 1 murders a decade, rape and armed robbery are just as rare. So it is true that my area has an extraordinarily low violent crime rate. It is also a fact that a resident of Minnesota can legally kill, without warning, any individual that he has reasonable suspicion ios committing, or is planning to commit a felony, if that individual is in the residents house. This is a legal reality, and not up for debate. For a 9th grade sociology project, we used scientific surveying methods (with a pool of three thousand participants, vs twenty thousand residents in thirty miles of our school) to determine that guns outnumber people in our school district almost two too one. This is an indisputable fact. I believe that my situation is ideal, because everyone knows everyone else, neighbors get to gether on weekends for cookouts, we all support each other in the case of a sickness or death in the family, and you don't have to lockyour door at night, because there hasn't been a home invasion robbery in over 50 years. This is MY OPINION, and thus CANNOT be judged true or false, but I think you will agree that it would be nice to live in an area where you would trust your neighbor with the PIN number for your ATM card, and he wouldn't abuse that trust (Note this is a figure of speech known as a Hyperbole, I wouldnt actually give out my ATM card pin #). Finally, less than 1/4 of all cougar attacks are fatal, mainly because the human suceeds in driving the big cat off. This is also a fact. So you are WRONG on all counts and should think before posting. Finally, I think the word you were looking for is Delusional, as disillusioned would mean that upon seeing a truth I would rather not admit, I started to feel bad about my world veiw. Instead, I have seen the truth, it confirms what I thought, and that brings me joy and strength, Not disillusionment. Now can we stay on topic?
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 04:34 PM	For the gun topic, how about starting another thread for it? Concealed weapons and the laws about them are possably a good thing to think about when in a D&D city after all. And I know what you mean about where you live and stuff, I live in small town, it annoys me to no end when city people tell me how to live my life because this is the way it is, when really, nobody bats an eye about the shotgun hanging in the window of a truck on school property during hunting season. By the way, which is better, Cedric or the black ugly BBEG cat?
FellBlade 09-07-06, 04:57 PM	how about whomever cares can look up these facts for themselves they can look up the actual murder rate in Minnesota and you can look up the laws on murder in ones own house in said city and the fact that their is alot of misinformation rolling around (mostly so people can talk about being tough and cool while fighting mountan lions and carrying weapons in their "utopian" *cough* highest death by firearm*cough* country) i am done, and i appologise for my un-gentlemanly words but one thing i cant stand is false truths
bhu 09-07-06, 05:02 PM	Most actually, and if you listen to anti-gun facists, every cop's shot him self in the foot at least twice. On topic, I've read of a bobcat taking down a deer, basicly jumped on it's back, claw the heck out of it with it's back feet and gnawed a hole in it's side, Cougar's do the same thing, weird how a 100lbs. cat can take a 650lbs. buck. Hunting rates appenatly vary on the cougar, anywhere from 1 in 10 to 9 out of 10, Forest Cats of North America is a good book, and has some really great photos. Theres a video on You Tube somewhere of a squirrel attacking a deer....
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 05:04 PM	how about whomever cares can look up these facts for themselves they can look up the actual murder rate in Minnesota and you can look up the laws on murder in ones own house in said city and the fact that their is alot of misinformation rolling around (mostly so people can talk about being tough and cool while fighting mountan lions and carrying weapons in their "utopian" *cough* highest death by firearm*cough* country) i am done, and i appologise for my un-gentlemanly words but one thing i cant stand is false truths I don't live in Minnesota, but it sounds like I live in an area alot like his, we got alot of people from cities that come down and hunt, and honestly, they don't want to actually hunt, they just want to shoot things, so there goes your dog, your cats, and you if your wondering around, cause they don't care about trespassing, and they really don't care what they shoot. It just goes as another lying statistic. I'm not defending him, but I'm also pointing out morons are morons, and they always screw things up for the 99% of the population that ain't doing a damn thing wrong.
FellBlade 09-07-06, 05:05 PM	Theres a video on You Tube somewhere of a squirrel attacking a deer.... that makes me remember somewhere on utube, i saw a house cat jump out of a bush scare a small bear and chase it!
Vestigial_Thumb 09-07-06, 05:41 PM	http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/4822/picture013qe8.jpg Admittedly, they kinda look like they're stoned. However, which would you rather face: an angry cat, or an angry drug-addicted cat. Or maybe two angry, drug-adicted cats would be more appropriate. http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9071/picture021ea5.jpg Now this one requires a bit more imagination. I'll need you to imagine an epic battle in the background and that their eyes are open. My cats win because they're twins.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-07-06, 05:45 PM	that makes me remember somewhere on utube, i saw a house cat jump out of a bush scare a small bear and chase it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49QYRMH-IdQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNVOET4ip7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5D1G2DCYU All of these cats are crazy. The first one has the bear-chasing scene.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 05:45 PM	Some how I knew this would boil down into a "look how cute my cat is!" when I followed suit, but mine still wins, he has a cape!
FellBlade 09-07-06, 05:48 PM	http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9071/picture021ea5.jpg AWWWWWW!:dancin:
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 05:53 PM	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49QYRMH-IdQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNVOET4ip7w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um5D1G2DCYU All of these cats are crazy. The first one has the bear-chasing scene. I Live with a lot of cats, funny how they have seemed to do over half of those first two videos, Watched over 5 of them jump into the tub, jump into a wal, jump in the glass door, chase dogs off, circle the table on it's back..... etc etc, Cedric just turns the touch lights on when he comes into a room and turns them off when he leaves.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-07-06, 05:53 PM	Some how I knew this would boil down into a "look how cute my cat is!" when I followed suit, but mine still wins, he has a cape! Cats are cute. They're crazy, but they're cute.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 05:54 PM	Cats are cute. They're crazy, but they're cute. Now the question is, are they crazy on their own or did we make them that way?:confused:
hiryuu 09-07-06, 06:02 PM	how about whomever cares can look up these facts for themselves they can look up the actual murder rate in Minnesota and you can look up the laws on murder in ones own house in said city and the fact that their is alot of misinformation rolling around (mostly so people can talk about being tough and cool while fighting mountan lions and carrying weapons in their "utopian" *cough* highest death by firearm*cough* country) i am done, and i appologise for my un-gentlemanly words but one thing i cant stand is false truths If you can tell where anybody said the US was utopian, I'll start listening. I've never touched a gun in my life, and I'm not going to start, but one thing I will do is not allow them to take them away from people who legally and rightfully own them, because once you do that, only the poeple who are interested in using them against other people will have them. If you outlaw anything, only the outlaws will have it. Look up the prohibition sometime, America's great experiment against drinking, when some miserbale sweatheads thought they'd press their moral values on everybody. See how well that worked? It single-handedly spawned organized crime in America. Of course there's going to be more firearm-related deaths in a place where firearms are legal, just like there's going to be more elecrocution related accidents at a power plant. Proximity = inflated numbers. The problem is that when you outlaw firearms, only the outlaws have firearms. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8490506794163083426&q=********+gun+control) This means you can't truly control what's going in or out of the outlaw population, that's why they're outlaws, while leaving normal folks out in the cold with nothing but local weapons to defend themselves. We have firearms in our country because our founding fathers decided that should a revolution come again and our government turn against us, we could adequately defend ourselves. Can you imagine what an invading army might think if they land on US soil and discover one out of every two people isn't going to just roll over when they move into town? Heck, in Florida, you don't have to register for a permit to buy handguns, shotguns, or rifles, and you really only need permits to conceal a firearm. There's a check when you purchase them, and a three day wait regardless, but that's about it, and we're hardly a cesspool of murder and terror. Also, if someone comes into my house, uninvited, I am legally obligated to let him to whatever the heck he wants until the police show up, at which point he is long gone and my family and I are dead and bleeding on the floor? I don't think so, bucko. No dice. That guy may not be a dead man, but he's losing parts of himself. I've never fought a cougar. Never wanted to. And it's not cool. Fun, maybe, but not cool. I know I've only wound up fighting animals because I was hungry or desperate (when your idea of camping is you, the woods, and a knife, you will come into conflict with wildlife if you want to or not, and you will always be hungry, tired, scared, injured, and dirty; I only brought it up because it was relevant to the discussion, which was fluffy vs. the commoner, and I'd like to get back to it).
FellBlade 09-07-06, 06:09 PM	listen i am not against firearm ownership or the usa and i am not saying that norsesmithy's neighbours are any thing but peacful citizens what i am saying is when people say things just so they can sound cool and tough, it usualy means their full of it I have a conceled carry permit, and carry a .44 MAG everywhere but community college (though If I were to stat myself out, I think I would at least be a warrior, STR 17 humans don't take commoner levels [and yes I can lift 260 lbs over my head]):uh-huh:
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 06:17 PM	listen i am not against firearm ownership or the usa and i am not saying that norsesmithy's neihbours are any thing but peacful citizens what i am saying is when people say things just so they can sound cool and tough, it usualy means their full of it Basicly, you decided that he was trying to sound like a badass and have been trying to disprove it? Man, I'm not taking sides here, everyone's basicly said they have the same feeling's about guns, Can we just drop it or start a thread about conceled weapons and take it there? The thread is about cats vs commoners, and right now it's Gun laws and "Look, my cute cat!" the latter's actually somewhat on topic. By the way, my cat wins, he has her support! :) http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6308/pscatlorday5.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pscatlorday5.jpg) Tony DiTerlizzi's art from a 2nd edition Planescape book I feel in love with when My cousin showed it to me. only ever played 3rd, just recently got the 3.0 MM and Savage speices.
hiryuu 09-07-06, 06:23 PM	By the way, my cat wins, he has her support! :) http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6308/pscatlorday5.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pscatlorday5.jpg) Tony DiTerlizzi's art from a 2nd edition Planescape book I feel in love with when My cousin showed it to me. only ever played 3rd, just recently got the 3.0 MM and Savage speices. That cat wins. All I have is this. I guess I lose. http://www.nazro.net/photos/freya2.jpg
epifreak 09-07-06, 07:08 PM	All I have is this. I guess I lose. http://www.nazro.net/photos/freya2.jpg I dunno, note the tongue stuck out. This cat is openly mocking those who might underestimate it. The cat clearly has rogue levels, and has beaten your sense motive to look innocuous. I on the other hand can see through this thinly veiled ploy. Your cat is a true killer.
Seerow 09-07-06, 07:22 PM	I dunno, note the tongue stuck out. This cat is openly mocking those who might underestimate it. The cat clearly has rogue levels, and has beaten your sense motive to look innocuous. I on the other hand can see through this thinly veiled ploy. Your cat is a true killer. Please, you give it far too much credit. It's OBVIOUSLY licking its lips of the blood from the commoner he just finished eating.
SeptimusMagistos 09-07-06, 08:37 PM	I demand more Fluffy vs. Steve matches!
Norsesmithy 09-07-06, 10:06 PM	listen i am not against firearm ownership or the usa and i am not saying that norsesmithy's neighbours are any thing but peacful citizens what i am saying is when people say things just so they can sound cool and tough, it usualy means their full of it :uh-huh: So you assume because I purport to be stronger than you, that I must be lying? I would much prefer it if you would instead judge what I write by the content therein. I don't know anyone on this board and have no one to impress. I only included that little bit as it would give, perhaps, an insight to my ability to fight off an angry house cat, so it was pertinent to the thread. The .44 mag is my carry gun mainly for the purposes of intimidation, if I were to carry, say, a gun in .25 apc, the odds of me making it through the stand-off with out having to fire would be greatly decreased. I am a big guy, I am a strong guy, I own a big gun. How does this affect my credibility? It shouldn't, unless I am trying to empathise with pencil-necked 105 lb pacifist geeks, or if I am talking about what it is like to be big and powerful with a big gun. Those are the only two situations where you need to consider that little blurb right there. Do your research, please. Law research can be difficult and tedious, but that shouldn't be an excuse for uninformed yelling.
Seerow 09-07-06, 10:19 PM	So you assume because I purport to be stronger than you, that I must be lying? I would much prefer it if you would instead judge what I write by the content therein. I don't know anyone on this board and have no one to impress. I only included that little bit as it would give, perhaps, an insight to my ability to fight off an angry house cat, so it was pertinent to the thread. The .44 mag is my carry gun mainly for the purposes of intimidation, if I were to carry, say, a gun in .25 apc, the odds of me making it through the stand-off with out having to fire would be greatly decreased. I am a big guy, I am a strong guy, I own a big gun. How does this affect my credibility? It shouldn't, unless I am trying to empathise with pencil-necked 105 lb pacifist geeks, or if I am talking about what it is like to be big and powerful with a big gun. Those are the only two situations where you need to consider that little blurb right there. Do your research, please. Law research can be difficult and tedious, but that shouldn't be an excuse for uninformed yelling. Of course we all know what they say about the guys with big muscles and their big guns....
scienceman47 09-07-06, 10:32 PM	Look, I dont give a flying **** whether you recoil to guns like they were kryptonite or you want to find a way to replace your head with two pistols ducktaped together. You know better, you KNOW BETTER than to hijack a thread with your entrenched political beliefs, especially one that has nothing to do with guns, on a board dedicated to a game that has nothing to do with guns. So, children, you should probably either return to the subject of cats slaughtering commoners by the truckload or any related tangent, or leave. Your choice.
Seerow 09-07-06, 10:33 PM	technically he didn't hijack it. He brought it up in response to somebody else saying that commoners shouldn't generally carry weapons. From there it was people responding and thus prolonging the issue that hijacked the thread. In other words, everyone involved is responsible, not just him, or one side or the other.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 10:39 PM	But it's gone from a discussion to what seems to be just a ******* contest, and I've been wondering if it needs reported before it gets worse, It's not one or the other's fault, I help helped with it as well, but it's going no where, and it's going into the realm of bad feelings, not to mention this it has nothing to do with cats or commoners. Personally, I'd like to see how Steve fairs as an elf, I'd do it but all I have is 3.0 books,(just recently got the MM and SS, so for 3 years I just had the PHB) and that'll just start another off topic argument. Great thread, but the bad feelings need to go.
Seerow 09-07-06, 10:41 PM	Steve as an elf dies much faster. Seriously, he now has 3 HP maximum, even with 1 higher AC, Fluffy hits on a what... 7 or more? (+4 vs AC11) Now, Steve as a halfling, or maybe even a Kobold(not sure on that).... now you're getting somewhere.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 10:43 PM	See that was the point, I like Cats better then people, they geneally look at you funny and do their own thing leaving you to yours. So Go Fluffy! Get him for not inventing Friskies!
syrinth 09-07-06, 10:49 PM	Well I can't let the cat competition go without entering mine into the fray Glare of Death! (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall037tp2.jpg) Glare of Death 2! (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wall035pd9.jpg) He's trying to sneak up on me! (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=meeko031qn8.jpg) He's evil I tell you, and he's planning to kill me O.o
scienceman47 09-07-06, 10:51 PM	Gnomes have the best chance versus cats. +1 AC from size, and +2 con for big happy HP. And a classless cat will die if hit, and wouldnt ya know it but the gnome gets +1 to hit for size. This tapers off until dire tigers eat gnome commoners as a matter of course. And obviously a classy cat wins, because of all the benefits a class level brings. And how about cats equiped with limes worn on the head? Supposedly helmets and headbands increase mental faculties or grant ranged attacks. So, clearly either the cat became intelligent enough to be displeased by the presence of a lime on its head, or was furrowing his cat like brow to fire a beam of light. But the odds of a lvl 1 cat affording a magical lime helmet are nil, so like so much chili, the limes only for flavor.
hiryuu 09-07-06, 10:53 PM	Steve as an elf dies much faster. Seriously, he now has 3 HP maximum, even with 1 higher AC, Fluffy hits on a what... 7 or more? (+4 vs AC11) Now, Steve as a halfling, or maybe even a Kobold(not sure on that).... now you're getting somewhere. What if Steve was a dwaaf. No, not a dwarf, a dwaaf! An axe-carrying, beer swilling, dwaaf who wears full plate even if he doesn't have the proficiency? Or a gnome? Or even if he was *gasp* level 2!
Norsesmithy 09-07-06, 10:56 PM	LOL, cat slaying gnomes. I think that is just perfect.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 10:57 PM	Then we got to turn Fluffy from Fluffy to Catbo,Inspired by Rambo, From the book not the movie, the cat's got to kill over 3 people and blow up a few gas stations before it gets it in the end with a sucker shot from dying Sherrif.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 10:58 PM	LOL, cat slaying gnomes. I think that is just perfect. Funny, I was always told they where nature loving, by the way, whatever happened to David the Gnome?
Norsesmithy 09-07-06, 11:01 PM	Nature loving gnomes totally hate cats, what with the cat's persecution of small burrowing animals (with which gnomes have a special bond) and songbirds. Edit: LOL seerow, if you want to go all freudian on me, I also have a big sword, and wear ties as part of my work attire. No sports cars though.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 11:06 PM	Right, because gnomes must appeantly think like druids and Park rangers, predators can't eat with out destorying everything, so they kill off all the predators, and watch as the wildlife eat the land into something akin to Sherman's march to the sea, which dies off as the plants fight back, not to mention die off, then what they ment to protect to begin with staves and dies off, what a cycle huh? Why "Nature lovers" will never get hunting banned. edit: How did I manage to get the top posts on the 6 though 8? I think David the Gnome even saved the cat that tryed to eat him, now there's a nice guy.
KurenaiYami 09-07-06, 11:06 PM	One fine day with a wolf and a bird, a baby was born and it caused a little stir. No pink bunny, no three eyed frog, little lone little whirl, little cat-dog. Cat-Dog, Cat-Dog *insert rest of theme song here* No no no. One fine day with a woof and a purr, a baby was born and it caused a little stir. No pink bunny, no three-eyed frog, a feline, canine, little catdog. Catdog~. Catdog~. Out on the road or back in town, all kinda critters live in catdog town. Try to live together...try to get along, gotta live together and sing this song. Catdog~. Catdog~ Alone in the world was a little catdog. Then I believe there was an actual meow and a bark, but this is unconfirmed.
Vrellum 09-07-06, 11:10 PM	Hmm, a human is generally too big and strong for a house cat to kill. A cat might scratch the heck out of a human and give him some pretty bad bite wounds, but actually killing him... Not likely. Heavy clothing would be sufficient to stop most of the cats attacks. But DnD isn't reality and in DnD a commoner is in a lot of trouble when facing off against a ticked off house cat. Too bad, I'll be rooting for Steve anyway.
CedricBrooks 09-07-06, 11:21 PM	Maybe that's all Fluffy needs is to really hurt Steve, let the infection do the rest.:smirk:
scienceman47 09-07-06, 11:30 PM	Right, because gnomes must appeantly think like druids and Park rangers, predators can't eat with out destorying everything, so they kill off all the predators, and watch as the wildlife eat the land into something akin to Sherman's march to the sea, which dies off as the plants fight back, not to mention die off, then what they ment to protect to begin with staves and dies off, what a cycle huh? Why "Nature lovers" will never get hunting banned. edit: How did I manage to get the top posts on the 6 though 8? I think David the Gnome even saved the cat that tryed to eat him, now there's a nice guy. David the gnome is deadlier than any cat, but he took a vow of nonviolence. He spends most of his time defeating trolls. Its a damn high level cat that can take on david.
KurenaiYami 09-07-06, 11:38 PM	David the gnome is deadlier than any cat, but he took a vow of nonviolence. He spends most of his time defeating trolls. Its a damn high level cat that can take on david. He took a vow of nonviolence, but we all know Trolls don't count as people.
scienceman47 09-07-06, 11:44 PM	Remember, it doesnt count as killing if you trick them into staying outside until sunrise where they turn into stone.
epifreak 09-08-06, 12:02 AM	Maybe that's all Fluffy needs is to really hurt Steve, let the infection do the rest.:smirk: *Guitar riff plays* Cat scratch fever!
The_One_True_Boris 09-08-06, 12:55 AM	Steve just needs to lure a few strays to hang out with Fluffy, let feline distemper do the rest. On a sadder note, this post was inspired by an actual outbreak of feline distemper in a household with a lot of cats.
boozerker 09-08-06, 02:00 AM	Already posted about hippies earlier today over here (http://community.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10012630&postcount=22) and here (http://community.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10016405&postcount=26). Right, because gnomes must appeantly think like druids and Park rangers, predators can't eat with out destorying everything, so they kill off all the predators, and watch as the wildlife eat the land into something akin to Sherman's march to the sea, which dies off as the plants fight back, not to mention die off, then what they ment to protect to begin with staves and dies off, what a cycle huh? Why "Nature lovers" will never get hunting banned. Not to start more arguments, but that's a misconception. There is a huge difference between animal lovers and nature lovers. Many hunters love nature, and so do animal lovers but you get my point? Because if not, I'm not arguing further anyway :) It's probably Big Oil and waste dumpers (etc) promoting that nature lovers = "please don't hunt Fluffy" misconception.
boozerker 09-08-06, 02:09 AM	Hmm, a human is generally too big and strong for a house cat to kill. A cat might scratch the heck out of a human and give him some pretty bad bite wounds, but actually killing him... Not likely. Heavy clothing would be sufficient to stop most of the cats attacks. Fluffy is insulted at the above and the below. Thinks you'll be the one in trouble :P But DnD isn't reality and in DnD a commoner is in a lot of trouble when facing off against a ticked off house cat. Too bad, I'll be rooting for Steve anyway. Too bad, I'll be rooting for Steve anyway.
__DnD4Life__ 09-08-06, 04:59 AM	Maybe it is a samurai pizza cat?
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 11:12 AM	Then we got to turn Fluffy from Fluffy to Catbo,Inspired by Rambo, From the book not the movie, the cat's got to kill over 3 people and blow up a few gas stations before it gets it in the end with a sucker shot from dying Sherrif. I'd like to bring all of your attentions to my new and improved Fluffy: Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+16 plus 2d12+8 plus 5d8+20 (93 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares), Climb 40 ft. Armor Class: 22 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural), touch 16, flat-footed 22 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/-4 Attack: Claw +14 melee (1d4+1) Full Attack: 2 claws +14 melee (1d4+1) plus rake and bite +12 melee (1d4) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+2, sneak attack +2d6, sudden strike +3d6 Special Qualities: Concealment in natural environments (25%) (taken instead of armored ease), darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, stealthy movement, team initiative bonus +5, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +9, Ref +11, Will +5 Abilities: Str 12, Dex 17, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +9, Climb +12, Hide +18*, Intimidate +7, Jump +16, Listen +7, Move Silently +18, Spot +7 Feats: Dodge, Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Mobility, Multiattack, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 10 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — Skills Cats have a +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently checks and a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks. Cats have a +8 racial bonus on Balance checks. They use their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier for Climb and Jump checks. *In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus rises to +8. Fluffy while raging (which lasts 9 rounds; just enough to kill Steve and that stupid dog of his): Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+24 plus 2d12+12 + 5d8+30 (115 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares), Climb 40 ft. Armor Class: 20 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural, -2 rage), touch 14, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/-9 Attack: Claw +13 melee (1d4+3) Full Attack: 2 claws +13 melee (1d4+3) and bite +11 melee (1d4+1) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+6, sneak attack +2d6, sudden strike +3d6 Special Qualities: Concealment in natural environments (25%) (taken instead of armored ease), darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, stealthy movement, team initiative bonus +5, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +11, Ref +11, Will +7 Abilities: Str 16, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +10, Climb +13, Hide +14*, Intimidate +7, Jump +17, Listen +6, Move Silently +14, Spot +6 Feats: Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Multiattack, Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 10 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — You may wonder why I just keep adding levels... The only reason I can give is that Fluffy is awesome and only keeps getting more awesome. Maybe that's all Fluffy needs is to really hurt Steve, let the infection do the rest.:smirk: I don't think Fluffy would choose this option. Brute force is much cooler. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/463733.stm)
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 11:22 AM	Already posted about hippies earlier today over here (http://community.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10012630&postcount=22) and here (http://community.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10016405&postcount=26). Not to start more arguments, but that's a misconception. There is a huge difference between animal lovers and nature lovers. Many hunters love nature, and so do animal lovers but you get my point? Because if not, I'm not arguing further anyway :) It's probably Big Oil and waste dumpers (etc) promoting that nature lovers = "please don't hunt Fluffy" misconception. I didn't that post or this post to start a fight either, But I'm not sure if it's the NWF or the Humane society that sent me a card with a list of things to do to help animals, stoping Rodeo and banning hunting was two of them, in most areas you don't have enough predators, so deer and others eat all the plants to death, which is bad, and if the Predators actually catch up, you have them all in our back yards when the population of food goes back down, so there goes fluffy... So leaving everything the hell alone and pretending like it's all good is actualy worse then shooting a few of them. We've had a big deer population this year, and for once, the cars didn't dent their numbers. And the point was that people have some really weird ideas about how nature works and all that, there is no balance, and there's actually more wildlife today then when Jamestown was founded. And the new fluffy looks sweet, need to give him some special ablity where he doesn't have to go into Steves space though, or something equivlent to that stupid cat jumping on my head from the fridge. Cat's hurt when they jump onto you back to.
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 11:26 AM	Damn VT, make me feel bad for saying that now. That sucks, but I should have known that it's actually happened.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 12:06 PM	but I should have known that it's actually happened. Yeah, what hasn't happened already? (I'm not being sarcastic)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 12:07 PM	And the new fluffy looks sweet, need to give him some special ablity where he doesn't have to go into Steves space though, or something equivlent to that stupid cat jumping on my head from the fridge. Cat's hurt when they jump onto you back to. Mmmm... yes. A Tiger Claw Maneuver could work. I'll get on a variant Fluffy soon, but for now I'll be watching Slither.
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 12:11 PM	Yeah, what hasn't happened already? (I'm not being sarcastic) Aliens from outer space invading? An Honest Politatiain(God I can't spell). A decent Cat race that is based off the Cat it's ment to be based off and not some weird thing?
boozerker 09-08-06, 12:54 PM	...in most areas you don't have enough predators, so deer and others eat all the plants to death, which is bad, and if the Predators actually catch up, you have them all in our back yards when the population of food goes back down, so there goes fluffy... So leaving everything the hell alone and pretending like it's all good is actualy worse then shooting a few of them. We've had a big deer population this year, and for once, the cars didn't dent their numbers. And the point was that people have some really weird ideas about how nature works and all that, there is no balance, and there's actually more wildlife today then when Jamestown was founded. CedricBrooks, all the above I learned from environmentalists, except your last sentence. It's all about balance. Sure there's some misguided people who don't take that into account, and those are the ones you hear about (could be industrial moles inside -- planting wacky "truths" to discredit their efforts), but maybe Fluffy will take care of them :) The environmentalists who don't act wacky aren't seen because they're everyday people like you and me, and blend in quietly
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 01:10 PM	I actually heard the balance thing from a Biology student, Freelancer for the New WOD books Chris something or other, off the White Wolf forums, I stoped going there and reading their books mostly because the anti-human crap gave me nightmares. One of these days maybe I'll actually find a game to play in, be it D&D or FS. His point was people shouldn't not try saving all of it, it's just they are stupid in what they say, Humantiy isn't some pyscho fluffy killer, bent to destory nature, in fact, the damage we caused hasn't even dented that of bactiea that destoryed 99.9% of life just by producing oxygen. Honestly, I plan on making another thread when I come back from work Sunday morning. I'll put it in the races section because it'll be another "appeal of the catraces thread" but this will fit better there. As this is still off topic, and I feel bad for it. What Fluffy needs is claws of Stevebane +5. And I just plain need the Catlord herself.:D Wonder if anyone's tryed making Animal lord offspring like I've seen somewhere on the net for 2nd edition?
boozerker 09-08-06, 02:18 PM	What about giving Fluffy a spider-climb ability, like climbing upside down on ceilings and able to still scatter quickly and run up walls?
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 03:13 PM	What about giving Fluffy a spider-climb ability, like climbing upside down on ceilings and able to still scatter quickly and run up walls? I'd like to do it within the scope of the rules for once. Any suggestions?
boozerker 09-08-06, 03:25 PM	I'd like to do it within the scope of the rules for once. Any suggestions? Not a real pro at statting creatures here, but you could give it a racial ability that mimicks the spider climb spell. Maybe earned at 3rd level or whatever, who knows. Someone will drop by sooner or later and help fit the new stats onto Fluffy :)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 03:46 PM	Not a real pro at statting creatures here, but you could give it a racial ability that mimicks the spider climb spell. Maybe earned at 3rd level or whatever, who knows. Someone will drop by sooner or later and help fit the new stats onto Fluffy :) How's about I just give her a Climb speed equal to her base land speed (49 ft. because of the Feral template). I just can't resist breaking the rules.
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 04:05 PM	Cats can run 90miles per hour, but when I seen that video of those kittens kimbing wallpaper they wheren't equal to 90 miles per hour.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 05:12 PM	Cats can run 90miles per hour, but when I seen that video of those kittens kimbing wallpaper they wheren't equal to 90 miles per hour. I don't care. :) EDIT: Now that I think about it, I don't think you can run with your Climb speed anyways. And wallpaper isn't that easy to climb. Ever seen a cat run up a tree?
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 05:13 PM	I don't care. :) Well, you have that right, it's really rude, and you hurt my feelings, but you have that right.:weep:
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 05:15 PM	Well, you have that right, it's really rude, and you hurt my feelings, but you have that right.:weep: Damn my rights!
CedricBrooks 09-08-06, 05:18 PM	I think I need to add a Fluffy commission to my already long line of art commissions, question is, should it be Fluffy VS. Steve, or Good Kitty VS. Bad Kitty with Sleeping kittys "watching"?
FellBlade 09-08-06, 05:27 PM	Kitten of goodnes & purity http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5697/hpim0843tj9.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim0843tj9.jpg) VS Dread cat of hextor http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/948/pictureorvideo013kr8.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pictureorvideo013kr8.jpg)
__DnD4Life__ 09-08-06, 05:38 PM	Cats can run 90miles per hour, but when I seen that video of those kittens kimbing wallpaper they wheren't equal to 90 miles per hour. Agreed. Give them climb as a move action, equal to half their speed, which would be an amazing 45ft. That is still 27 miles/hr. Or, for us cool people, 43.452288 km/hr.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-08-06, 05:51 PM	Agreed. Give them climb as a move action, equal to half their speed, which would be an amazing 45ft. That is still 27 miles/hr. Or, for us cool people, 43.452288 km/hr. Or even cooler, 12.07008 m/s. I don't think she can run with her Climb speed anyways, so what's the issue?
CedricBrooks 09-09-06, 04:31 PM	I think the issue is that it REALLY hurts when Fluffy suceeds in her headbutt charge attack against your shin.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-09-06, 04:36 PM	I think the issue is that it REALLY hurts when Fluffy suceeds in her headbutt charge attack against your shin. Actually, that has happened to me. Look at the pictures I posted of my cats. The brownish one headbutted me the other day when she was chasing a RC car. The greyish one (the princess) scratched my face just yesterday when I was putting her back down on the floor from a session of flying around the living room (no, she was not scared). Oh, I have to tell y'all their names: Alpha and Beta (!), previously being #1 and #2 (yes, I'm incredibly imaginative when it comes to names).
CedricBrooks 09-09-06, 04:41 PM	Right, it's why I said it, it happens alot to me, not to mention them falling off the fridge onto my face. I've had two cats fighting each other both smacking my legs(each one got the one the other didn't get) I had to set down for that one, but they just ran off like nothing happened. Course, for all that, they are still quite frail and I didn't mean to, but I broke one's leg by tossing it off the counter many years ago. I didn't mean to, it's claw appeantly caught in the carpet and twisted it, kinda like that one Quarterback that broke his ankle cause he's cleats got stuck in the ground, that sucked cause it was just the coin toss, Why I know that is odd cause I don't like sports.....
savant_warlord13 09-09-06, 06:03 PM	No predator, in predator prey studies is ever sucessful on more than a third of hunts (and the animals who are this successful are generally pack hunters like wolves and hyenas, not solitary hunters like tigers and cougars), and a mother feeding cubs tends to be less sucessful in the hunt than an unattached individual predator, especially if the mother is a lone hunter. This is not true. Some location based ambush predators have a nearly 90% success rate. However, such predators have much fewer oppurtunities to attack prey.
savant_warlord13 09-09-06, 06:07 PM	It's on topic! It's implying the legality of sneak attacking fluffly with a ranged weapon! Really though, cat's haven't changed at all expect in size and personality, very effective hunters, even the calmest domestic cat will walk in with a bird and eat it right on the worst thing it could. Then give you a "I caught it! Aren't you proud of me!" look, I think a cat a few thousand years ago proably would have been really scarcy actually, considering canned cat food hadn't been invented yet, poor fully, no chicken and gravy. And on the off topic thing, you right about it going nowhere, Which is why I propose the other side to move away and leave me alone.:) First of all, why would Joe commoner shoot his cat if the cat hasn't attacked him yet? Secondly, Joe commoner does not have any ability even remotely resembling sneak attack.
savant_warlord13 09-09-06, 06:20 PM	I Live with a lot of cats, funny how they have seemed to do over half of those first two videos, Watched over 5 of them jump into the tub, jump into a wal, jump in the glass door, chase dogs off, circle the table on it's back..... etc etc, Cedric just turns the touch lights on when he comes into a room and turns them off when he leaves. Wow, your lucky. My cat only turns on the lights when he comes in, he never turns them out. You should see the electric bill.
savant_warlord13 09-09-06, 06:27 PM	Gnomes have the best chance versus cats. +1 AC from size, and +2 con for big happy HP. And a classless cat will die if hit, and wouldnt ya know it but the gnome gets +1 to hit for size. This tapers off until dire tigers eat gnome commoners as a matter of course. And obviously a classy cat wins, because of all the benefits a class level brings. And how about cats equiped with limes worn on the head? Supposedly helmets and headbands increase mental faculties or grant ranged attacks. So, clearly either the cat became intelligent enough to be displeased by the presence of a lime on its head, or was furrowing his cat like brow to fire a beam of light. But the odds of a lvl 1 cat affording a magical lime helmet are nil, so like so much chili, the limes only for flavor. A classic example of the effects of barbituates.
The_One_True_Boris 09-09-06, 07:11 PM	Dude, quadruple post!
savant_warlord13 09-09-06, 07:49 PM	Dude, quadruple post! This is the first time anyone has ever had an issue with it, and I've octuple posted before. This is what happens when you read through a long thread.
Norsesmithy 09-09-06, 09:20 PM	You totally need to Edit, instead of N-posting, though. And in your response to my post, could you please point me to some sources? I would love to read those studies.
savant_warlord13 09-09-06, 09:22 PM	You totally need to Edit, instead of N-posting, though. And in your response to my post, could you please point me to some sources? I would love to read those studies. Can't remember sources. Not looking them up for you.
Norsesmithy 09-09-06, 09:48 PM	Then I will, unfortunately, be forced to not beleive your numbers, and maintain my current belief.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-09-06, 10:06 PM	Secondly, Joe commoner does not have any ability even remotely resembling sneak attack. This is the only problem I have that I saw from your multitude of posts (# of posts isn't an issue). His name is Steve. :)
scienceman47 09-09-06, 10:48 PM	A classic example of the effects of barbituates. What, youve never heard of limecat?
Thurbane 09-09-06, 10:55 PM	This is the first time anyone has ever had an issue with it, and I've octuple posted before. This is what happens when you read through a long thread. That's what the edit button is for. ;)
CedricBrooks 09-10-06, 07:34 AM	Ok, with the lights he's only done it once, so I wrote something a little diffrent, nothing wrong with that right? I forgot the 97.3 radio commerical for a country concert coming up around here, but appeantly they are letting anyone named Steve into the concert or the party afterwards, not sure, but they are letting them in for free. Must have had an weird preditiction that Steve was going to get it. And to Savant,(damn reminds me I need to get back to my Wiz7 game) Maybe Fluffy is defending and Steve is being the jerk, Gotta get rid of that damn cat kinda guy, and second, Sneak attack doesn't always refer to the rogue ablity, it's not unheard of for words or phases to have many meanings.
CedricBrooks 09-10-06, 07:50 AM	Then I will, unfortunately, be forced to not beleive your numbers, and maintain my current belief. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=10039700#post10039700 The Thread I promised for that argument, sheilded by the only thin veil I could think of.
SolkaTruesilver 09-10-06, 06:36 PM	I have found the perfect way for Steve to beat easily Fluffy: He is a gardener. He has "Profession: Gardener" skill maxed out. He cultivate Catnip, 'cause he knows there is a crazy cat around. Now, Fluffy has to succeed on a fortitude save DC 25 when he comes around Steve with his poach of Catnip, or being immediatly to hug it, lick it, smell it, trying to eat it, for about 2d4 minutes. Well ennough for Steve to make a Cou de Grace against the poor defenceless Fluffy.
CedricBrooks 09-10-06, 06:58 PM	That might work if catnip actually had an effect on cats...
Vrellum 09-10-06, 07:09 PM	The sensitivity to catnip is inherited. Some cats it affects strongly others ignore it. Lets all hope fluffy is in the sensitive group!!!
CedricBrooks 09-10-06, 07:11 PM	Our cats tend to think of it as the plague actually, only one cat in my life have I ever seen even go near something that claimed to have catnip.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-10-06, 07:15 PM	Lets all hope fluffy is in the sensitive group!!! Let's not. Fluffy should kill Steve and then run into the woods to start a new life as a bear hunter.
aotrscommander 09-10-06, 07:16 PM	I have found the perfect way for Steve to beat easily Fluffy: He is a gardener. He has "Profession: Gardener" skill maxed out. He cultivate Catnip, 'cause he knows there is a crazy cat around. Now, Fluffy has to succeed on a fortitude save DC 25 when he comes around Steve with his poach of Catnip, or being immediatly to hug it, lick it, smell it, trying to eat it, for about 2d4 minutes. Well ennough for Steve to make a Cou de Grace against the poor defenceless Fluffy. Gardener =/= Commoner. The Garderner Class abilties are as follows (though not all are gained at level 1): proficient in all Simple and Horticultural Weapons, gain DR 5/Bludeoning or Slashing, gain Poison Use with respect to Plant and Vermin related toxins, gain +4 bonus to attack and damage Plant and Vermin creatures and a further +4 attack and damage bonus against Pest creatures. The following types of creatures are classified as Pests for the purpose of the Gardener special abilities: Moles, Dogs (especially *****es), Ants, Bees, Birds, Leatherjackets, Worms, Fungi and People Who Interupt The Gardener During His Break Or Fail To Obey The Please Keep Off The Grass Sign.
joseccb 09-10-06, 08:42 PM	DON'T UNDERSTIMATE FLUFFY!!! She is the favorite of Cat Lord! So watch out commoners, if you kill fluffy, cat lord himself (CR 39) will come and teach you the feline way.
CedricBrooks 09-10-06, 08:44 PM	DON'T UNDERSTIMATE FLUFFY!!! He is the favorite of Cat Lord! So watch out commoners, if you kill fluffy, cat lord himself (CR 39) will come and teach you the feline way. When has she become a he? hell, I posted her pic in this thread already........
joseccb 09-10-06, 08:48 PM	hehehe ok now fixed, sorry I haven't read the whole post :D However don't dare to attack fluffy!!
CedricBrooks 09-10-06, 08:51 PM	Actually I was just wondering if something's changed along the way, I don't keep up with all the books, have no need for them and they aren't as fun to read as Fading Suns. I know pic is from Tony DiTerlizzi work in a 2nd edition planescape book. Be dumb to change it, to me anyway.
syrinth 09-10-06, 11:29 PM	I vote that we officially stat up Fluffy and nominate him for board god status :D and by stat up I mean prepare him for ascension... lol Assuming people agree with me :P I'd say: Portfolio: Stealth, Death, Cats Domains: Destruction, Cats, Death Any thoughts? Run Steve run, a demi-god hounds(cats?) you!
boozerker 09-11-06, 03:02 AM	Our cats tend to think of it as the plague actually, only one cat in my life have I ever seen even go near something that claimed to have catnip. Try real catnip leaves.
scienceman47 09-11-06, 03:31 AM	Assuming Steve can get a hold of catnip, it probably doesnt have a high save. So he is betting his money on a cat failing its will save. And the stuff might not even work. Thats bad odds I would say. But if it works... thats nice. Be sure that fluffy fails her will save.
SolkaTruesilver 09-11-06, 08:35 AM	Not a will save, but a fortitude one. Poison and drug = Fortitude So Fluffy would be at a disadvantage. I don't think his Fort save is real high, right? (But it's true that catnip doesn't affect 100% of the feline population. Let's always make a % check when a feline is first expose to the drug. If he rolls below 30, he is forever immune. If he rolls over... Poor Fluffy...)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-11-06, 11:17 AM	Fluffy was never a 'he'. Here's Fluffy. These are officially approves stats. They break the rules, but Fluffy is a cat. Cats break rules. Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+16 plus 2d12+8 plus 5d8+20 (93 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares), Climb 40 ft. Armor Class: 22 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural), touch 16, flat-footed 22 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/-4 Attack: Claw +14 melee (1d4+1) Full Attack: 2 claws +14 melee (1d4+1) plus rake and bite +12 melee (1d4) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+2, sneak attack +2d6, sudden strike +3d6 Special Qualities: Concealment in natural environments (25%) (taken instead of armored ease), darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, stealthy movement, team initiative bonus +5, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +9, Ref +11, Will +5 Abilities: Str 12, Dex 17, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +9, Climb +12, Hide +18*, Intimidate +7, Jump +16, Listen +7, Move Silently +18, Spot +7 Feats: Dodge, Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Mobility, Multiattack, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 10 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — Skills Cats have a +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently checks and a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks. Cats have a +8 racial bonus on Balance checks. They use their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier for Climb and Jump checks. *In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus rises to +8. Fluffy while raging (which lasts 9 rounds; just enough to kill Steve and that stupid dog of his): Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+24 plus 2d12+12 + 5d8+30 (115 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares), Climb 40 ft. Armor Class: 20 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural, -2 rage), touch 14, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/-9 Attack: Claw +13 melee (1d4+3) Full Attack: 2 claws +13 melee (1d4+3) and bite +11 melee (1d4+1) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+6, sneak attack +2d6, sudden strike +3d6 Special Qualities: Concealment in natural environments (25%) (taken instead of armored ease), darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, stealthy movement, team initiative bonus +5, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +11, Ref +11, Will +7 Abilities: Str 16, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +10, Climb +13, Hide +14*, Intimidate +7, Jump +17, Listen +6, Move Silently +14, Spot +6 Feats: Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Multiattack, Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 10 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: —
bhu 09-11-06, 08:37 PM	Hey look, its Fluffy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a6ZZPLsio
CedricBrooks 09-11-06, 08:40 PM	Hey look, its Fluffy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a6ZZPLsio Been posted already, although yours actually gave me sound, I've heard a cat say No on America's funniest home videos,(and he was getting a bath while doing it) but I have never heard nothing like that. Now I know why Fluffy hates Steve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Fg6KFcOsU
Vestigial_Thumb 09-11-06, 08:46 PM	Hey look, its Fluffy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a6ZZPLsio Ahh, the warcry... Now I remember why I love cats, and why they love me. Love for brutality brings us together.
Sier_laBeguileuse 09-14-06, 02:30 AM	How did this thread last this long? Also, why did I read all of it? These are more important questions.
scienceman47 09-14-06, 03:31 AM	There can be a lotta drama on these boards. Sometimes, you just gotta unwind and muse over a grown man with morningstar getting full on blood geyser slaughtered by a common housecat. Its both silly, and violent!
CedricBrooks 09-14-06, 12:29 PM	Hey, got a rough sketch of knight kitty vs Ninja cat of hextor (aka) fluffy. Hope you enjoy, drawn by Jenni Chasteen at http://jeneni.whatthegeek.com/ Gotta give her credit for her work, and besides, this is how she trys to make part of a living. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/821/kittyfightsketchey2.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittyfightsketchey2.jpg)
FellBlade 09-14-06, 01:43 PM	nice!
Vestigial_Thumb 09-16-06, 02:00 PM	Charge to 50,000 Volts... Clear!
__DnD4Life__ 09-16-06, 04:28 PM	Charge to 50,000 Volts... Clear! your gunna need more than that. Try about 150,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,002v.
CedricBrooks 09-16-06, 04:31 PM	bah, only one comment and the thread is dead, makes me wonder if I should have her do my other stuff before it.
bhu 09-16-06, 07:26 PM	Knight Kitty is the cutest of Kitties ever :D
Always-Late 09-16-06, 08:04 PM	Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not scary. And what's smaller than cats? Squirrels! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm)
__DnD4Life__ 09-17-06, 04:16 AM	Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not scary. And what's smaller than cats? Squirrels! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm) kittens
bhu 09-17-06, 02:21 PM	The Great You Tube Kitties Collection :D Cats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWej4ZbrbbM Cats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o49CHaT5Y0g Pinky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eht-kEzq88w Cat fighting a Dog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO3jk72MgW0 Kitties Emerging http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9C9OW8nNBs cutest video ever Cat Herding http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8STdOEBORp0 Sleepy Kitty Making Biscuits http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Hjpa5TXes Sleepy Kitten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp1m_RBPeo8 Funny Cats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLt2OQl1Qdc Funny Cats 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkT7A3jegBc Found a Stray Kitten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbPVX_YEk68 Really Expensive Cat Toy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YNhs-RSs4 Raff and Shay Fighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYwettZ9zac Cat vs Hippo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC_yD3Opx8E Scuba Diving Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwCEnFhr6gw Jack the Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcSzqa4cLs Computer Attack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeN091mUWe4 Kitty Attack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioOnADEnM8o Cat and Dog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZLSragFpmQ DD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLhTs37pm6A Kyoshi’s First Climb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jamVGtLllM Cat hates new collar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QbUM2LqEr8 Ultimate Cat Fighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTjxcf3uvi0 Puppy vs kitty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8LXQZ9Mwh0 Kittens are Growing Up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2IyY2TkwrQ Kitten Fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uu9Fx5bLhk Kitty Laser Confusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKsTRpHJYy8 Manx Cat and Kitten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHI9vW793Is Kittens 12 weken http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJujVblgT1A Kitty Kitty Kitty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKL-mHnd1OM Mew Mew Mew http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY_gqACjKZQ Kitten Fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tFkrjAFcIA Crazy Kittens Attack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2klM-CBoPiA Kitten Wars 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgMRhCyxW6k Kitten and Rabbit Punch #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSpS4_wHjYU Cat Provokes Vacuum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXotGy7dVSc Oh So Cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffTtkivi02I Swift Abysinnians Presents http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Da-EXJqG-Q Cat vs Cleaner http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBJ7qUPzSI Kittys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7KBdbNfBPY Kitten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDOSY2WcT6o Kitties Confused http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9PEvurk1yk Kitten Playtime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeIbaHAktDw Kitten Brigade http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rzijqix_Iw Wild Crazy Kittens on the Loose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrBnapHpG4 Unique Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MtisL78vHI Cat giving his friend a massage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1wmtwlr2U0 Selfish Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wicCHEpJpow Kitten Fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE1XcMRR6xg New Members of the Family http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75f1aY2fwMA Kitty Soccer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDNXWjnHOnU Japanese Kitties http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEUpM2FWBG4 Scary Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3a6ZZPLsio Crazy Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-ugAYbGRo Had paw removed and now has robotic wheelchair! Squirrel Stealing Nuts From Cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr43dslAzvY Funny Cats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj8XC-x4sn0 Kittens Playing Fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYYAanJVys
SolkaTruesilver 09-17-06, 07:31 PM	you are my new god...:eek:
Vestigial_Thumb 09-17-06, 07:37 PM	your gunna need more than that. Try about 150,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,002v. Seems like I don't. I'll try that next time this thread "dies", though. ;)
boozerker 09-17-06, 10:26 PM	you are my new god...:eek:Who, Fluffy? bhu? And what domains do they grant you? :)
__DnD4Life__ 09-17-06, 10:45 PM	Who, Fluffy? bhu? And what domains do they grant you? :) I belive it gives him the nature domain, as well as the cat scratch fever domain...
PhilosopherDirtbike 09-18-06, 12:29 AM	it must just be that im canadian and carrying wapons is not in our culture But even when i go to ren fares i dont carry a blade (a knife yes) even though i can strut about with a sword (or any other weapon for that matter). in a peacfull place they are just another useless item that i have to truck around Wow, you can carry a sword around? In the States you actually need a lisence to carry those around and you can't get a lisence without a good reason. As for this battle, this is interesting. I never liked the old rules for housecats, since one could take out a commoner relatively easily, and outside of movies I don't think a house cat has ever killed anyone under the age of 70 or over the age of 2.
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 12:36 AM	Wow, you can carry a sword around? In the States you actually need a lisence to carry those around and you can't get a lisence without a good reason. As for this battle, this is interesting. I never liked the old rules for housecats, since one could take out a commoner relatively easily, and outside of movies I don't think a house cat has ever killed anyone under the age of 70 or over the age of 2. First, depends on the state. second, that's what htis thread is making fun of..... Never heard of a cat killing anyone out side of myths, but I have heard of them killing/warning of rattlesnakes that got into the house somehow and protected the baby so the parents could arrive. Pets can get really protective over young children.
PhilosopherDirtbike 09-18-06, 12:44 AM	I did hear a story of an elderly woman who was found half eaten by the dozens of stray cats she kept who had apparently died from tripping over one of them and hitting her head. I am sure it wasn't *technically* because the cat maliciously made a trip attempt against her, I imagine it counts for the sake of conversation. As for the sword: I am sure there are but a sword really has no purpose outside of decoration, practice, and killing other people. A pistol or rifle can at least be used as tools for hunting. I wasn't trying to argue it, just surprised at the revalation is all
PhilosopherDirtbike 09-18-06, 12:48 AM	...full on blood geyser slaughtered... Greatest combat adjective/verb combonation EVER
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 12:53 AM	I think it counts that animals will eat what they can find when they are hungry, I'm guessing she fell and like most older people wasn't found untill the mail started piling up? My cousin used to carry a katanna around in his truck,(which would count as hidden how he had it and would be screwed if it was found.) for "self defense", quotes meaning he thought it would make his thin frame bad ass. Little point of having one for Self defense though, considering there's so many things that do the job better, Swords are sharp toys that I end up hurting my self with... on Christmas day no less..... fluffy a god? No way, I'm still got to elevate the Cat lord to god hood, hopefull I'll get a game where I can make the attempt, now if I could only get a rogue/fighter cross to work.
scienceman47 09-18-06, 01:02 AM	Greatest combat adjective/verb combonation EVER I appreciate the compliment.
__DnD4Life__ 09-18-06, 03:06 AM	hey vestigial, how about statting up a cat with DR? Maybe DR5 or something.
epifreak 09-18-06, 03:22 AM	Just because it's small doesn't mean it's not scary. And what's smaller than cats? Squirrels! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm) Which I find funny, as I've been toying with the idea of using the old tamer of beasts PrC to throw squirrel swarms at my PCs. I think I calculated something like 250-ish squirrels on a 20th level build.
FellBlade 09-18-06, 11:05 AM	Wow, you can carry a sword around? In the States you actually need a lisence to carry those around and you can't get a lisence without a good reason. 1. there is no such thing as a "sword lisence" 2. without good reason? implying that you can think of a good reason to carry a sword around? (beacuse i cant) 3. yes anyone can carry a sword around when they are on private property (such as a mideval festaval) and the host of course allows it 4. and of course anyone can transport a weapon (ive tried, i was stopped, the cop said "cool")
Vestigial_Thumb 09-18-06, 02:36 PM	hey vestigial, how about statting up a cat with DR? Maybe DR5 or something. Not that it's not a good idea or anything, but does Fluffy really need Damage Reduction?
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 03:12 PM	1. there is no such thing as a "sword lisence" 2. without good reason? implying that you can think of a good reason to carry a sword around? (beacuse i cant) 3. yes anyone can carry a sword around when they are on private property (such as a mideval festaval) and the host of course allows it 4. and of course anyone can transport a weapon (ive tried, i was stopped, the cop said "cool") Right, there is no such thing as a "sword lisence", there are concealed weapons permits, a sword is a weapon, if it's hidden, then it's concealed, get over it, I think in the state of Iowa it's under a 3 inch blade that you can pack with out a permit. Won't swear to it though. Really man, just get over it, your getting high strung over small stuff, happens to us all, look at those freaks that get all **** over Rogue and all that, just ain't worth it. And yes, Fluffy needs DR, he's bad ass remember, he has taken Class levels in Bad ass MF'er. He boils his kobolds in the local water god just to prove it.
FellBlade 09-18-06, 03:26 PM	i am just answering your question, seeing as how i omited the fact that i was refering to a costumed event on private land in my original statement
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 03:29 PM	i am just answering your question, seeing as how i omited the fact that i was refering to a costumed event on private land in my original statement Didn't ask anything, and I read that when I replyed to you, it's still irrelevent to weither or not you need a permit in the US to carry a sword. That and the way you post about it gives to me a really high strung and hateful feel, couse that is likely just me, but we don't need to go though this again.
FellBlade 09-18-06, 03:40 PM	i appolgise if that is the tone you received...and no we dont need to go through this again
epifreak 09-18-06, 04:45 PM	Okay, now we've covered guns and swords. What weapon debate shall we hit next? I'm all for hearing about the legalities of carrying a glaive around.
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 04:48 PM	Okay, now we've covered guns and swords. What weapon debate shall we hit next? I'm all for hearing about the legalities of carrying a glaive around. Cute, real cute, Not remotely helpfull in stoping it, and in fact is actually encourging it, but cute....
HauptSin 09-18-06, 05:23 PM	I think I'm going to have to stat up Fluffy with Divine Ranks after I've slept. Rank 10 sound reasonable? That would put her on par with Bahamut, Tiamat, or Vecna.
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 05:25 PM	That would put her on par with Bahamut, Tiamat, or Vecna. Make sure that its AT THE SAME TIME. :D
HauptSin 09-18-06, 05:30 PM	Fine then, Divine Rank 21. Epic Divine-ness!
epifreak 09-18-06, 05:37 PM	Why stop there? I'm for divine rank 37; it's a nice round number.
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 05:44 PM	Why stop there? I'm for divine rank 37; it's a nice round number. Can't be to round if I can count 6 points on it, 3 for 3 and 3 for 7.
HauptSin 09-18-06, 06:23 PM	But that would make Fluffy some sort of Overdeity. I don't think she's ready for that just yet. I mean, she's only the Supreme Overlord of Feline Kind.
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 06:27 PM	For now.
bhu 09-18-06, 07:47 PM	Who, Fluffy? bhu? And what domains do they grant you? :) I dont know about Fluffy but I personally grant the following Domains: Giant Monsters, Small Furry Things, Comedy, and Masked Wrasslin. As a domain ability you get to see the 1 or 2 gig of overcuteness pics ive saved off the web :D
epifreak 09-18-06, 08:54 PM	Cute, real cute, Not remotely helpfull in stoping it, and in fact is actually encourging it, but cute.... I slow down to look at car wrecks too.
__DnD4Life__ 09-18-06, 09:58 PM	Not that it's not a good idea or anything, but does Fluffy really need Damage Reduction? Divine rank, not damage reduction. If it was damage reduction, I would have written DR5/X. and it would have been alot higher than 5. Maybe DR=HP. That sounds good. :D but, i belive Epifreek is on it. DR 37 doesnt sound like alot. We need to to be able to have it fight a Mortiverse (http://boards1.wizards.com/leaving.php?destination=http://www.enworld.org/showpost.php%3Fp%3D2873260%26amp%3Bpostc ount%3D1) and kill it in one round....and thats with it losing initiative.
CedricBrooks 09-18-06, 10:01 PM	Since when does Fluffy lose initiative?
scienceman47 09-18-06, 10:55 PM	When fluffy fights the god of travels. Flalarnagargon.
syrinth 09-18-06, 11:28 PM	About time you guys decided to follow my plan lol :D
Vestigial_Thumb 09-19-06, 03:03 PM	When fluffy fights the god of travels. Flalarnagargon. But she will never lose higher ground. That's her unique Salient Divine Ability: Sneaky Cat: Fluffy is always treated as having higher ground, and behind cover. Fluffy is treated as if she was flanking her opponents. Furthermore, her enemies are treated as prone for purposes of her melee attacks.
__DnD4Life__ 09-19-06, 03:08 PM	But she will never lose higher ground. That's her unique Salient Divine Ability: Sneaky Cat: Fluffy is always treated as having higher ground, and behind cover. Fluffy is treated as if she was flanking her opponents. Furthermore, her enemies are treated as prone for purposes of her melee attacks. also, she NEVER takes damage from falling. And, that isnt a DSA it is a cat ability. Total immunity to falling damage. If not that, then a +∞ to saves vs falling.
CedricBrooks 09-19-06, 03:18 PM	Funny, there was a video on MSN saying how they where confused about cats falling from high places took less damage from those falling from much lower heights.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-19-06, 03:40 PM	also, she NEVER takes damage from falling. That's a given.
HauptSin 09-19-06, 05:00 PM	Funny, there was a video on MSN saying how they where confused about cats falling from high places took less damage from those falling from much lower heights. More time to calculate and plan their landings. :p Now, could "Cat" be considered an alignment? I think Fluffy is above all concepts of morality, even that of Neutrality.
CedricBrooks 09-19-06, 05:01 PM	I think Cat could be considered a way a life.
__DnD4Life__ 09-19-06, 08:44 PM	More time to calculate and plan their landings. :p Now, could "Cat" be considered an alignment? I think Fluffy is above all concepts of morality, even that of Neutrality. No, its more apathy. They just dont care, unless it bugs them. Then, they sick fluffy on you.
boozerker 09-20-06, 01:04 AM	Considering how powerful we've all made Fluffy, Steve must be pretty tough for having won a few battles against the cat.* *See first page.
CedricBrooks 09-20-06, 02:27 AM	No, fluffy was just bored.
__DnD4Life__ 09-20-06, 02:36 AM	Considering how powerful we've all made Fluffy, Steve must be pretty tough for having won a few battles against the cat.* *See first page. It was finalized that fluffy woud have won no matter what. A commoner that weak cannot kill a cat. Cuz this cat has DR 37
muddpop 09-21-06, 04:02 PM	I see everyone is discussing Fluffy vs Steve and the dog but, that is not her real opposition. Ever wonder how she started on Steve...? Two words: Vorpal Bunny. She killed his father and is now on the run. She fears the bunny. Everyone fears the bunny. FEAR THE BUNNY!!!!
FellBlade 09-21-06, 04:27 PM	[RecoilInHoror]Yaghh!!:gah:[/RecoilInHorror]
CedricBrooks 09-21-06, 04:35 PM	I see everyone is discussing Fluffy vs Steve and the dog but, that is not her real opposition. Ever wonder how she started on Steve...? Two words: Vorpal Bunny. She killed his father and is now on the run. She fears the bunny. Everyone fears the bunny. FEAR THE BUNNY!!!! Your kidding right? Bunny is just as much Fluffy prey as commoners, you must be under a spell or something.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-21-06, 05:12 PM	Your kidding right? Bunny is just as much Fluffy prey as commoners, you must be under a spell or something. Yeah seriously. Fluffy eats bunnies. All bunnies. And Fluffy is a she. I will never accept any other interpretation of her gender.
boozerker 09-21-06, 05:42 PM	Bunny is destined for a throne of world conquest, on a dinner platter delivered to Fluffy.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-21-06, 06:16 PM	[RecoilInHoror]Yaghh!!:gah:[/RecoilInHorror] Fear not, for Fluffy is thy friend and shall protect thee till thy dying day! I'll protect you too, though I won't be as effective as Fluffy.
muddpop 09-21-06, 08:50 PM	Naaa... I give fluffy her props but the bunny is the bunny, man. He killed paladins. PALADINS MAN in as many seconds. It took a hand grenade to kill him. A lawful and good holy device. It took an artifect. Think about that. A greater diety had to step in to put him down and still he may be out there.... some where. ploting and planning. hes a half-fiend half-dragon bunny with vorpal teeth. Even Fluffy would be hard pressed to defeat him. He aint Steve...
__DnD4Life__ 09-21-06, 09:47 PM	Naaa... I give fluffy her props but the bunny is the bunny, man. He killed paladins. PALADINS MAN in as many seconds. It took a hand grenade to kill him. A lawful and good holy device. It took an artifect. Think about that. A greater diety had to step in to put him down and still he may be out there.... some where. ploting and planning. hes a half-fiend half-dragon bunny with vorpal teeth. Even Fluffy would be hard pressed to defeat him. He aint Steve... half feind, half dragon? Pshaw! Fluffy is a god. An over-diety too. That beats bunny by +∞ points. DR37 and DR37/- is another 2 points, so bunny is toast. Of course bunny aint steve, unless someone casted true res on Steve.
muddpop 09-21-06, 10:18 PM	Say what you will but, bunny would still eat fluffy. she would die a quick pointy death. and yes half fiend half dragon, unless you can think of something else that would make him so vile. Or maybe.... He's a jilted lover seeking revenge. Who knows with bunny. The bunny's mind is not for the likes of me to know. No one knows the mind of bunny.
muddpop 09-21-06, 10:19 PM	oh and by the way vorpal dont care if you got damage reduction 1,000,000/- cause vorpal dont care about damage so :P
boozerker 09-21-06, 10:31 PM	Fluffy is a god. An over-diety too. That beats bunny by +∞ points. Fluffy created Bunny. She could un-create Bunny in a wink. ;) <-- like that
Krompt 09-21-06, 10:37 PM	I have a wee little story of Fluffy versus Steve, I used this in my campaign(Fluffy vs Steve..Fluffy crited on all 3 of his attacks in the full attack..Steve was petting Fluffy at the time and Fluffy got a Surprise round in)....My story doesnt end there My PLayers were so shocked by this cat killing a Commoner, that they decided to kill the cat. Long Story short...Fluffy the Cat before his death KILLED 3 OUT OF THE 4 PCS! Fluffy the Cat now has 4 more kills to his belt everyone, including 3 PCs. And All the PCs were level 8, and Fluffy was using the stats from the Monster Manual for a Housecat (no feral no nothing)...he just..kept rolling 20s infront of the entire party
__DnD4Life__ 09-21-06, 10:56 PM	I have a wee little story of Fluffy versus Steve, I used this in my campaign(Fluffy vs Steve..Fluffy crited on all 3 of his attacks in the full attack..Steve was petting Fluffy at the time and Fluffy got a Surprise round in)....My story doesnt end there My PLayers were so shocked by this cat killing a Commoner, that they decided to kill the cat. Long Story short...Fluffy the Cat before his death KILLED 3 OUT OF THE 4 PCS! Fluffy the Cat now has 4 more kills to his belt everyone, including 3 PCs. And All the PCs were level 8, and Fluffy was using the stats from the Monster Manual for a Housecat (no feral no nothing)...he just..kept rolling 20s infront of the entire party I shall re-iterate: Fluffy is a GOD
boozerker 09-21-06, 11:01 PM	All the PCs were level 8, and Fluffy was using the stats from the Monster Manual for a Housecat (no feral no nothing)...he just..kept rolling 20s infront of the entire party Fluffy reaches across fans-dimensional space and fixes the dice.
__DnD4Life__ 09-21-06, 11:02 PM	...and pokes pun-pun's scaly hide before pun-pun even rolls initiative, and leaves. Long live the duo-player-made-overdieties! Pun-Pun and Fluffy!
Krompt 09-21-06, 11:04 PM	I mean it literally..he must have...3 rounds in a row he rolled 3 20s in 3 attacks each (First Claw Attack, 20, confirm, 20, Hit again to see if instant death, 20. Second Claw Attack, 20, confirm, 20, hit again to see if instant death, 20. Bite, 20, confirm 20, hit again to see if instant death, 20.) He rolled amazingly well on Init too!
__DnD4Life__ 09-21-06, 11:05 PM	I mean it literally..he must have...3 rounds in a row he rolled 3 20s in 3 attacks each (First Claw Attack, 20, confirm, 20, Hit again to see if instant death, 20. Second Claw Attack, 20, confirm, 20, hit again to see if instant death, 20. Bite, 20, confirm 20, hit again to see if instant death, 20.) He rolled amazingly well on Init too! I want your dice....maybe ill get luckier with rolls...:P
Krompt 09-21-06, 11:06 PM	Send Fluffy after them, he got all 20s on his attacks against Steve too!!!!! I say this because the rest of the night I rolled horribly (everything below 10s) untill I said Fluffy and BAM 20
muddpop 09-21-06, 11:09 PM	Ahhhh.... But rember, gods can be killed too. and the bunny is the personification of primal agression. LONG LIVE THE BUNNY!!!!!!!! DEATH TO THE CLAWLESS KITTEN GOD!!!!!!!!:evillaugh
boozerker 09-21-06, 11:18 PM	I mean it literally..he must have...3 rounds in a row he rolled 3 20s in 3 attacks each... 333 the number of the cat beast :smirk:
CedricBrooks 09-22-06, 08:34 AM	I think he's been sent by Pelor, who's jealous, and wants to steal Fluffy's power, I mean come on, my pet cats could kill bunny, and Fluffy is an overdeity, the abyss is only around cause Fluffy doesn't feel like wasting the energy to get rid of it.
FellBlade 09-22-06, 10:44 AM	I agree with "Thumb" Fluffy is a she Oh nay, you did nay listen to me ohhh its jus a lile bunny rabbit eh?
HauptSin 09-22-06, 10:49 AM	Indeed, Fluffy is a She. This can be considered canon*. :p Though one could also argue that Fluffy transcends the mortal concepts of "gender". But even in such cases, Fluffy is to be referred to as 'She'. *Consider it retconning.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-22-06, 11:25 AM	Fluffy created Bunny. She could un-create Bunny in a wink. ;) <-- like that And I created Fluffy (mechanically). Therefore I'm bunny's grandpa. I challenge bunny to a game of chess. She needs to learn it. And Hauptsin seems to be bunny's grandma (no "special hugs" were initiated to create either entity). Hauptsin, bake some cookies for bunny. We must see to it that she not be aggressive towards her own mother.
Krompt 09-22-06, 07:18 PM	Anything in which the sex is undeterminded or impossible (a statue, a ship, a plane) they are generally referred to as "She", There for because no body wants to get close enought to Fluffy to determine the Sex..Fluffy is by Default a "She", not having to be a female but just referred to as She (as are the characters classes in the PHB), well I suppose one of my Players can tell the Sex since Fluffy ATE his characters' head
CedricBrooks 09-23-06, 10:57 AM	http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7942/kittyfightimcug2.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittyfightimcug2.jpg)
Vestigial_Thumb 09-23-06, 12:29 PM	http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7942/kittyfightimcug2.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittyfightimcug2.jpg) OMGTEHBATTLE!!!11!!!cos(0)
CedricBrooks 09-23-06, 12:30 PM	OMGTEHBATTLE!!!11!!!cos(0) That a good thing or a bad thing?:confused: edit: Funny, it changed on me.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-23-06, 01:00 PM	That a good thing or a bad thing?:confused: Mmmm... Both.
CedricBrooks 09-23-06, 01:01 PM	Right........... no clear answers for me, I'm a bad boy.....:weep:
__DnD4Life__ 09-23-06, 03:33 PM	Sooo...cant let this thread die....must come up with discussion.... What should Fluffy's DSA be?
Vestigial_Thumb 09-23-06, 04:15 PM	What should Fluffy's DSA be? This: Sneaky Cat: Fluffy is always treated as having higher ground, invisible, and behind cover. Fluffy is treated as if she was flanking her opponents. Furthermore, her enemies are treated as prone for purposes of her melee attacks. That's like a further +5 on attack rolls and -4 to her opponent's AC, for an effective total of +9. That's psychotic.
Vestigial_Thumb 09-23-06, 04:21 PM	I'd like you to meet Fluffy version 1.02 (raving psychopath cat version). Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+16 plus 2d12+8 plus 5d8+20 (93 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares), Climb 40 ft. Armor Class: 22 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural), touch 16, flat-footed 22 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/-4 Attack: Claw +18 melee (1d4+1) Full Attack: 2 claws +18 melee (1d4+1) plus rake and bite +16 melee (1d4) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+2, sneak attack +2d6, sudden strike +3d6 Special Qualities: Concealment in natural environments (25%) (taken instead of armored ease), darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, sneaky cat, stealthy movement, team initiative bonus +5, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +9, Ref +11, Will +5 Abilities: Str 12, Dex 17, Con 18, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +9, Climb +12, Hide +18*, Intimidate +7, Jump +16, Listen +7, Move Silently +18, Spot +7 Feats: Dodge, Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Mobility, Multiattack, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 10 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — Skills Cats have a +4 racial bonus on Climb, Hide, and Move Silently checks and a +8 racial bonus on Jump checks. Cats have a +8 racial bonus on Balance checks. They use their Dexterity modifier instead of their Strength modifier for Climb and Jump checks. *In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, the Hide bonus rises to +8. Fluffy while raging (which lasts 9 rounds; just enough to kill Steve and that stupid dog of his): Size/Type: Tiny Animal Hit Dice: 4d6+24 plus 2d12+12 + 5d8+30 (115 hp) Initiative: +3 Speed: 50 ft. (6 squares), Climb 40 ft. Armor Class: 20 (+2 size, +4 Dex, +6 natural, -2 rage), touch 14, flat-footed 20 Base Attack/Grapple: +10/-9 Attack: Claw +20 melee (1d4+3) Full Attack: 2 claws +20 melee (1d4+3) and bite +18 melee (1d4+1) Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft. Special Attacks: Improved grab (can grapple foes of any size), pounce, rage 1/day, rake 2d4+6, sneak attack +2d6, sudden strike +3d6 Special Qualities: Concealment in natural environments (25%) (taken instead of armored ease), darkvision 60 ft., evasion, fast healing 3, improved uncanny dodge, illiteracy, low-light vision, scent, sneaky cat, stealthy movement, team initiative bonus +5, trapfinding, trap sense +1 Saves: Fort +11, Ref +11, Will +7 Abilities: Str 16, Dex 16, Con 22, Int 2, Wis 16, Cha 6 Skills: Balance +10, Climb +13, Hide +14*, Intimidate +7, Jump +17, Listen +6, Move Silently +14, Spot +6 Feats: Improved Natural Attack (Bite), Multiattack, Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB Environment: Steve’s kitchen Organization: Solitary Challenge Rating: 10 Advancement: — Level Adjustment: — Sneaky Cat: Fluffy is always treated as having higher ground, invisible, and behind cover. Fluffy is treated as if she was flanking her opponents. Furthermore, her enemies are treated as prone for purposes of her melee attacks
CedricBrooks 09-23-06, 04:28 PM	Fluffy while raging (which lasts 9 rounds; just enough to kill everyone and everything): That's better.
Nephlite 09-23-06, 04:39 PM	also, she NEVER takes damage from falling. And, that isnt a DSA it is a cat ability. Total immunity to falling damage. If not that, then a +∞ to saves vs falling. Fluffy is actually psionic and has the psi-like ability of Catfall with manifester of 3x HD so effectively ignores fall damage (up to 330 feet, but how often do you fall more) and always lands on feet.
bhu 09-23-06, 04:45 PM	http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7942/kittyfightimcug2.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittyfightimcug2.jpg) Nice. We must have them statted up someday :D
AaronDireBear 09-23-06, 05:43 PM	Can a cat even damage something with a roll like 1d2-4? That seems like 0 damage every time!
__DnD4Life__ 09-23-06, 06:10 PM	Can a cat even damage something with a roll like 1d2-4? That seems like 0 damage every time! melee attacks always have at least 1 damage. So, that would be the same as 1 damage. Vestigial, why does fluffy only have 16 dex? There are 1st level elves with more dex than that. I would think 24 would be a nicer number. Hell, 37 is a well rounded number too.
Nephlite 09-23-06, 07:16 PM	melee attacks always have at least 1 damage. So, that would be the same as 1 damage. Vestigial, why does fluffy only have 16 dex? There are 1st level elves with more dex than that. I would think 24 would be a nicer number. Hell, 37 is a well rounded number too. Because defeating something is more impressive with stats within human limits.
grelna 09-23-06, 07:59 PM	I ran a GURPs adventure years ago in which the party was hired to smuggle a cartful of sedated cats into a city infested with intelligent rats. The idea was that all personal ownership of cats had been revoked as they were being used to keep the rats out of the city granaries, but that the rich and powerful of the city still wanted home protection. Anyway, the party saw this huge one-eyed orange tabby lying by the fireside at one of the roadside inns and decided to drug its food and catnap it. Later, they heard disturbing sounds coming from within the cart under the fake cargo, and upon investigation discovered that the cat had woken and was chewing its way to freedom. It had already chewed through several of the other cats... As soon as the covering was removed it attacked and the party was in a nasty fight for survival. Eventually one of them managed to cast a Glue spell that held it in place and they were set to kill it. I think it was at this point that it spoke and told them that its master was already on his way and would be most upset if anything had happened to it. Turned out it was a minor demonic familiar. The funny thing is that aside from speech I didn't upgrade it all that much from a regular cat. Fluffy's cousin, maybe?
CedricBrooks 09-24-06, 07:22 AM	Because defeating something is more impressive with stats within human limits. You don't defeat Fluffy, you don't even slightly annoy her.
Arkan_Shadesfire 09-24-06, 12:46 PM	I think he meant it was more impressive for fluffy to be defeating things without relying on superhuman ability scores. :rolleyes:
CedricBrooks 09-24-06, 12:51 PM	Somebody's missed the point of the last few pages.....
Vestigial_Thumb 09-25-06, 08:08 PM	Why... won't... you... LIVE!?
CedricBrooks 09-25-06, 08:10 PM	because people don't want to wade though 13 pages?
__DnD4Life__ 09-25-06, 08:34 PM	because people don't want to wade though 13 pages? hmm...well, it reads 8 on my computer. Why doesnt someone stat up fluffy as a god? I would do it, but I have no clue how to.
HauptSin 09-26-06, 06:32 AM	I'm sorta working on it, but it's a lot of work. And I really don't feel like typing out the descriptions for all of Her different Salient Divine Abilities... And it's all, like, Copyrighted and all. :p But here's the basic gist of it: Fluffy is, naturally, an Overdeity. Alignment of 'True Cat', often called simply 'Cat'. She has Divine Rank whatever-the-hell-She-feels-like, and at least 50 Character Levels. Usually 20 in Monk, 20 in Rogue, and 10 in Assassin, but this She can change at will, seeing as she's an Overdeity. If She wants some spell, She'll just generally True Shapechange into a form that has access to said spell, or add some Sorceror levels to herself.
bhu 09-26-06, 07:34 PM	In my defense I'm sometimes only going on 2 or 3 hours of sleep when peeking at the boards.
d24478667 09-30-06, 07:27 PM	:bump: this thread is hilarious
CedricBrooks 09-30-06, 08:39 PM	hmm, I'll name the magic items in my commission. +5 Washcloth Cape of Cute and cuddlyness, gives a +20 cuteness bonus to AC and DR/Fluffy, It increases the weilder's cuteness to an unheard of level, making it almost unbearable to strike him. +10 Sheild of Cedric the Kittyheart(yeah, that's based off Richard the lionhearts banner by the way) Gives both a +10 Shield bonus and a +10 cuteness bonus stackable with the Washcloth cape. +100 Katana of Brokenness, see all katana threads Side note, if the Katana and the Sheild meet in combat, a tiny kitten will let a fart that will clear a large room of all people and even other animals.(Been there done that..... it's scary)
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-01-06, 04:02 AM	been awhile since ive heard the song, so i cant give the proper corrections for "little lone little whirl"*..... id like to request sig'ing the following quotes: "neutered/strange mouse toy" "higher ground" "lionhearted ninja hermaphroditic cat" so if the respective owners to the quotes dont mind, may i sig them? *(arguably, "little lone little whirl" might even be more nonsensical then catdog being the result of a wolf mating with a bird...). I am really sorry I know this isn't really important but the song actually goes "One fine day with a woof and a pir a baby was boarn and it causd a little ster. No blue bunny no three eyed frog alone in the world is a little cat dog"
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-01-06, 04:12 AM	What was than cat-monster from back in 1E that kept getting stronger each time you killed it, until it's 9th (and final) life? It started out the size of a housecat and ended up as big as a lion. I think it was in the original Fiend Folio...was it guardian familiar? IF SOME ONE FINDS IT PLEASSSSS!!!!!! POSTE IT I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED TO THROW IT AGAINST MY FIRST LEVEL PLAYERS NEXT WEEK.
bhu 10-02-06, 09:49 AM	Cuteness bonuses :eek: ...... I must use these somehow :evillaugh
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-03-06, 03:11 AM	SO pritty mutch Fluffy has killed steve most of the time. so now letts look at it if fluffy was a goast huntter cat and steve was a goast now on top of this I read a nough to read that steave suposedly had a riding dog. I here by name him Spike. (short for Spike Tigger Pngo IV*the fourth*) now as that I heard people assume that Spike was paliden like in nature I will asume that he would not like goasts and will there for be fighting on Fluffys side of this for a change. Now just so that we are all clear here are the stats of goast hunter Fluffy, goast Steve, and Spike our k9 frend. Goast hunter cat: Tiny magical beast 5hp. 30ft. 20ft.climb A.C.:18 B.A.B./Grap.: +1/-10 Attack: Claw +8 melee (1d4-3) Full Attack: 2Claw +8 melee (1d4-3), and bite: (1d3-4) Special Attacks: Ghost touch, manifest ghost, negative energy resistance Special Qualities: Spwll-like abilities (At Will: detect undead, hide from undead (save D.C.: 12); 1s./day: - lesser restoration, remove fear, all spells are cast as if the cat was a 1st. level cleric. Saves: Fort +2, Ref.: +7, Will: +1 Avilities: Str.:5, Dex.:20, Con.:11, Int.:3, Wwis.:12, Cha.:12 Skills: Balance:+13, Climb:+9, Hide:+17, Jump:+10, Listen:+3, Move Silently:+9, Spot:+3 Feats: Wweapon Finesse Goastly Steve: Goast: 9hp. Speed: fly:30ft.(perfect) A.C.:+12 Attacks: light mace (1d6+1,ethereal targets only) Full Attack: (1d6+1, ethereal targets only) Special Attacks: Corruptiong touch: melee: +1: (1d6) Save DC.: Fort.:+11, Manifestation, Telekenises Special Qualitys: Rajuvination, Turnresistance: +4 Abilities: Str.:13, Con.:N.A., Dex.:12, Int.:10, Wis.:9, Cha.:12 Saves: Fort.: Immune, Ref.:+1, Will:-9 Skills: Listen:+8, Hide:+8, Search:+8, Spot:+8, Profecion (farming):+4, Knowlage(Nature):+4, Handel Animal:+4, Feats: Tuffnes, combat reflexes O.K. so the Goast Steve has a few extra hp. because of the tuffnes feet he gained in life. also I only gaive him one of the goast special attacks due to the fact that Steve was only a commoner (and I gave him one of the weekest ones for the same one). finally Spike: Riding Dog: Medium Animal 13h.p. Initiative:+2 Speed:40ft. Armor Class: 16(+2Dex., +4natural), touch 12, flat-footed 14 Base Attack/Grapple: +1 / +3 Attack: Bite:+3 melee (1d6+3) Full Attack: Bite:+3 melee (1d6+3) Space/reach: 5ft./5ft. Special Attacks: - Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent Saves: Fort.:+5, Fef.:+5, Will:+1 Abilities:Str.:15, Dex.:15, Con.:15, Int.:2, Wwis.:12, Cha.:6 Skills: Jump:+8, Listen:+5, Spot:+5, Swim:+3, Survival:+1, Feats: Alertness, Track ok now that thats out of the way LETS DO IT TO IT!!!: So our hero fluffy is sitting there ontop of the pantry enjoying a nice cat nap out of the way of her rival Spike when all of threw the kitchen wall comes Steve only he's all see threw and stuff. Steve starts to say FLUFFY FLUFFY I AM BACK FOR YOU. YOU KILLED MY FATHER MY BROTHER AND M.... but just as he's just getting in to his expalanitory rant Fluffys goast hunting instinkts kick in and she leaps from the pantery... She lands a good solid hit right threw steve's chest landing on the floor right infront of the Steve goast Steve swears as he sudenly is throwen in to corporality and finds that he is leaking a small amount of protoplasum. Steve hungraly retaliats lashing out with his light mace. his unresting anger drives his mace true right on top of fluffys head. Fluffy screeches in pain as her brains are (saddly) splattered acrouse the floor. sommoned by the nois Steves old trusty companion Spike rushes in Steve smiles "SPIKE here boy Come here, good boy Spike good..." but spike is interupted by the doges browling and barking. "SPIKE its me Steve." but Spike sences the Evil undead taint that now infests steaves soule and lashes out. Steve jumps to the side but Spike just manages to sink his teeth into the undead protoplasmic flesh of his former owner. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH skreems Steve and again lashess out at his ex-pets O to wide. Spike trys again but is not able to land his second attempt to stave off this the effliction to nature. Steve laphs at his ex-pet and causes a candleobora to flying acrause the room and into poor Spike. a glancing blow but it renders a yawl from our hero. Angered by the attack he lunges for Steve again, but unfortunatly for him, it is a well known proverb that anger is a weapon only to ones enemy a saying which proves true for our frend spike as steve lunges at his now off ballance K9, with his light mace; delivering a solid blow to the dogs body. nocked even farther off balance Spike neanders back twored steve and vainly attempts to snap at him but comming noware even close. now thinking he has the upper hand Goastly Steave lunges at his off ballance dog. but lucky for us our new frend Spike manages to regain his barings just in time and dodges the attack. Having regained just anough ballance spike manages to land a bite right on the Goastly Steves ex-neck. Steve yells NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! as his goastly essence disperses into the etherreal nothingness of the non-afterlife never to be seen again. So there we have it with a little luck a goast hunter cat and a riding dog can beat a first level commoners goast. so to make it clear what happend here was that Fluffy rowled 7 on the check to see how long the goast would be stuck fully corporial. then Steve scored a crit on his attach against Fluffy killing her almost instantly. in the end Spike was taken down to 4 hp. and eventually steve was dispursed however due to the fact that Steve only scored a 15 on his reconstitution check, his pets did infact cause the now and forever end of Steve. Oh additionaly fluffy won initiative in the first round. and the dog won initiative when it came into the picture
Vestigial_Thumb 10-03-06, 08:55 PM	Tsk tsk tsk. Your version of Fluffy is clearly inferior to mine. *Pushes chest up, puts hands on hip, looks towards the sky and laughs throatily*
grelna 10-03-06, 09:15 PM	Fluffy, AKA Scratch Fury, Destroyer of Worlds (http://www.pvponline.com/article/2910/tue-oct-03)!
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-04-06, 04:09 PM	Tsk tsk tsk. Your version of Fluffy is clearly inferior to mine. *Pushes chest up, puts hands on hip, looks towards the sky and laughs throatily* yes but mine is acruate and i didnt have to cheat
__DnD4Life__ 10-04-06, 07:11 PM	yes but mine is acruate and i didnt have to cheat Whaddya mean cheat? If rules get in fluffy's way, she uses one of her DSA of alter reality (at will) and changes the rules. And, fluffy got that DSA through the rules. No rules breakage there. No sir.
Telhuine 10-04-06, 07:44 PM	Does Fluffy have no vulnerabilities? Maybe make Fluffy susceptible to distractions by balls of yarn?
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 10-04-06, 07:50 PM	Whaddya mean cheat? If rules get in fluffy's way, she uses one of her DSA of alter reality (at will) and changes the rules. And, fluffy got that DSA through the rules. No rules breakage there. No sir. what are DSAs??? also the goast hunter cat is not a custom creature it is a monster from the monster ensiclopidea printed by mongoose publishing
__DnD4Life__ 10-04-06, 08:07 PM	DSA: Divine salient abilities. It is like SLAs for gods.
boozerker 10-04-06, 08:11 PM	DSA: Divine salient abilities. It is like SLAs for gods. What are SLAs? Does Fluffy have no vulnerabilities? Maybe make Fluffy susceptible to distractions by balls of yarn? Yeah, make Fluffy have an ridiculously simple weakness.
__DnD4Life__ 10-04-06, 08:35 PM	SLA: Spell like abilities. like DSAs, except for ordinary people.
Vestigial_Thumb 10-04-06, 08:38 PM	Yeah, make Fluffy have an ridiculously simple weakness. Wait a minute... was that sarcasm? I think this thread, coupled with that Elf-Greatsword thread have ruined my ability to perceive cynicism.
boozerker 10-04-06, 09:43 PM	Not sarcasm. Humor. It'd be like Superman's kryptonite, except it doesn't weaken or destroy, but just makes Fluffy drop everything to be playful at inopportune times. For a god of such immense power, Fluffy just can't resist.
Chrono Nexus 10-04-06, 09:47 PM	Not sarcasm. Humor. It'd be like Superman's kryptonite, except it doesn't weaken or destroy, but just makes Fluffy drop everything to be playful at inopportune times. For a god of such immense power, Fluffy just can't resist. Ball of yarn, or a ball of rope.
Vestigial_Thumb 10-11-06, 05:43 PM	Come on, wake up. Wake u-u-u-up.
bhu 10-11-06, 07:13 PM	Anyone seen the character competition in the Players forum? Wanna enter fluffy? :D
Vestigial_Thumb 10-11-06, 08:01 PM	Anyone seen the character competition in the Players forum? Wanna enter fluffy? :D I don't know. She breaks an awful lot of rules. That's okay, of course, anywhere but in competitions, apparently. Seems people don't like being upstaged by a cat.
CedricBrooks 10-11-06, 10:37 PM	People don't like being upstaged by cats because cats do it all the time, it just gets tiring after awhile and all.
bhu 10-12-06, 06:56 PM	I asked if playing an awakened cat was okay and they said yes with the proviso that since the Awaken spell doesnt give an LA adjustment it would be up to the judges as to its acceptibility. FLuffy will be 2 Hit Dice due to Awaken (rounded down from 2 1/2 HD). So thta leaves working out a Cats level adjustment. A cat gets: Tiny Size 30 Move 2 claws (1d2) and 1 bite (1d3) 0' Reach Low light Vison, Scent -8 Str, +4 Dex, +2 Wis and a Cha of 7+1d3 +4 Racial Bonus on Climb, Hide (+8 in heavy undergrowth), and Move Silently Checks, +8 Racial Bonus to Jump and Balance checks I cant think that anyoone would give this more than an LA +1. So that leaves 9 or 10 levels in classes.
bhu 10-14-06, 09:18 PM	By the way, I guess its canon that Fluffy is a her. What breed though? Siamese? Russian Blue?
Vestigial_Thumb 10-14-06, 10:00 PM	By the way, I guess its canon that Fluffy is a her. Yes. What breed though? Siamese? Russian Blue? Domestic lynx-patterned torbie, though, only a few white spots can be found. She's mostly orange, with quite a few gray-black spots.
Kresalak 10-14-06, 10:04 PM	I asked if playing an awakened cat was okay and they said yes with the proviso that since the Awaken spell doesnt give an LA adjustment it would be up to the judges as to its acceptibility. FLuffy will be 2 Hit Dice due to Awaken (rounded down from 2 1/2 HD). So thta leaves working out a Cats level adjustment. A cat gets: Tiny Size 30 Move 2 claws (1d2) and 1 bite (1d3) 0' Reach Low light Vison, Scent -8 Str, +4 Dex, +2 Wis and a Cha of 7+1d3 +4 Racial Bonus on Climb, Hide (+8 in heavy undergrowth), and Move Silently Checks, +8 Racial Bonus to Jump and Balance checks I cant think that anyoone would give this more than an LA +1. So that leaves 9 or 10 levels in classes. Awakened animals have LA +0 because of the extra 2 HD. Also, this image is relevant to the thread. http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l284/Cielingcat/Looongcat.jpg
Vestigial_Thumb 10-14-06, 10:37 PM	That seems to be Fluffy's Japanese cousin Atsuko Takefusa. Fluffy's not really on good terms with him, though. On his last visit, he stole ruined her noodles by hiding in them. Then he got himself entangled in her house.
Plothos 10-15-06, 01:43 AM	I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. If those little animals don't want me to catch them, I'm not catching them. And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? If dogs have NA, humans certainly do.Nah, they either outrun you with their monk speed bonus, or else hide behind the couch and force you into a squeeze situation, hurting your to-hit roll, or if you get a hand on them they use their massive escape artist to beat your feeble grapple attempts. :D
boozerker 10-15-06, 10:01 PM	I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. If those little animals don't want me to catch them, I'm not catching them. That's because cats have little trouble escaping commoners. The OP naming this Cat vs. Commoner isn't just coincidence ;)
teenageghostcouncil 11-03-06, 07:41 PM	The character I made that is a cat could easily defeat a commoner, with his tiny longbow, and his evil powas
Vestigial_Thumb 11-03-06, 08:37 PM	The character I made that is a cat could easily defeat a commoner, with his tiny longbow, and his evil powas Oh yes. Cats always dominate combat.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-03-06, 08:43 PM	the realy frightning thing is that cats are as often social animals as not, that means if a commener is walking down fish ally one day and happens to have some catnip he is pretty much doomed. I wonder how many a scraching post has.
teenageghostcouncil 11-03-06, 09:04 PM	the realy frightning thing is that cats are as often social animals as not, that means if a commener is walking down fish ally one day and happens to have some catnip he is pretty much doomed. I wonder how many a scraching post has. how many what? Hit Points?
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-03-06, 09:08 PM	how many what? Hit Points? whoops sorry, like you said it was hit points.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-03-06, 09:19 PM	whoops sorry, like you said it was hit points. Scratch posts have incredibly high hardness to reduce the damage that cats can do to it. Not that using it as a weapon works or anything.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-03-06, 09:22 PM	Scratch posts have incredibly high hardness to reduce the damage that cats can do to it. Not that using it as a weapon works or anything. if only I could have armor made of scratching posts.......but hold on what if it attracts cats?:eek: I will just have to train a team of cats loyal to me to act as gaurds.
teenageghostcouncil 11-03-06, 09:30 PM	I will just have to train a team of cats loyal to me to act as gaurds. if you do that, then all the commoners named steve would be dead, and we dont want that
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-03-06, 09:58 PM	if you do that, then all the commoners named steve would be dead, and we dont want that not all, just all the ones who dare to oppose me. hear that steves, I've got your numbers:P
teenageghostcouncil 11-03-06, 11:43 PM	not all, just all the ones who dare to oppose me. hear that steves, I've got your numbers:P they are quivering
Ashheart 11-06-06, 05:02 AM	This thread is just reminding me about my familiar: a Grimalkin (mm2) with about as many class levels as the other PC's. And you bet they were afraid to eat any fish after they had seen her (my familiar) beat up the party paladin without using up half her HP..... CATS RULE!
Magon 11-06-06, 05:09 PM	i want an fluffy vs. steve fights. without fluffy binge raging OR have cllas lvl OR DvR. he dont need it, his pure coolnes is anoth to let him win :D
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-06-06, 08:10 PM	I think now we need some fights with bigger groups (Fluffy's pals Tiger and Boots vs. what ever rabble Steave can find to help him)
fiendkiller 11-06-06, 08:26 PM	Let's look at this again. this time, Steve is unarmed. Please pardon my lack of rules for D&D. Steve walks into a house. Fluffy lunges at his arm, ripping his shirt and drawing some blood. Steve picks the cat up. CHOOSE YOUR OWN FINISH!!!! 1. Steve hurls Fluffy across the room, killing him. 2. Steve breaks Fluffy's neck, killing him. 3. Steve brings his knee up into Fluffy's back, killing him. 4. Steve says "Bad Fluffy!" and sets him down. 5.Steve says "Hi Fluffy!" and sets him down. fiendkiller
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-06-06, 08:30 PM	Let's look at this again. this time, Steve is unarmed. Please pardon my lack of rules for D&D. Steve walks into a house. Fluffy lunges at his arm, ripping his shirt and drawing some blood. Steve picks the cat up. CHOOSE YOUR OWN FINISH!!!! 1. Steve hurls Fluffy across the room, killing him. 2. Steve breaks Fluffy's neck, killing him. 3. Steve brings his knee up into Fluffy's back, killing him. 4. Steve says "Bad Fluffy!" and sets him down. 5.Steve says "Hi Fluffy!" and sets him down. fiendkiller I take it you are not a big fan of cats (come on dieing in 3/5 just is not that mechanicly true in D&D)
johnkretzer 11-06-06, 08:39 PM	Next encounter, the cat is surprised to meet Steve's new big dog. I have seen this. We had a cat, we got a dog. They meant. Cat swipe dog across nose. Dog ran away. You don't have to beat what you can intimindate. And that dog was afraid of that cat for 13 years I think. The dog was about 3x the size of the cat too.
epifreak 11-07-06, 03:27 AM	I have seen this. We had a cat, we got a dog. They meant. Cat swipe dog across nose. Dog ran away. You don't have to beat what you can intimindate. And that dog was afraid of that cat for 13 years I think. The dog was about 3x the size of the cat too. Yeah, the instant we unloaded our first dog at the house, three cats swarmed the poor thing and beat up on it a little. The cat's just made it to where they owned the dogs. As such, I definitely propose that MM cats be changed to LE.
kjenks 11-07-06, 11:55 AM	Let's look at this again. this time, Steve is unarmed. Please pardon my lack of rules for D&D. Steve walks into a house. Fluffy lunges at his arm, ripping his shirt and drawing some blood. Steve picks the cat up. CHOOSE YOUR OWN FINISH!!!! 1. Steve hurls Fluffy across the room, killing him. 2. Steve breaks Fluffy's neck, killing him. 3. Steve brings his knee up into Fluffy's back, killing him. 4. Steve says "Bad Fluffy!" and sets him down. 5.Steve says "Hi Fluffy!" and sets him down. fiendkiller Ya see, the only interesting thing about Steve vs. Fluffy is in the D&D rules. Sure, in the real world, your five "finish" options would seem just fine. But in a D&D world, when you look at how much damage Fluffy inflicts vs. Steve's HP and AC, well, Steve has a good chance of dying dead in this encounter.
epifreak 11-07-06, 12:54 PM	Let's look at this again. this time, Steve is unarmed. Please pardon my lack of rules for D&D. Steve walks into a house. Fluffy lunges at his arm, ripping his shirt and drawing some blood. Steve picks the cat up. CHOOSE YOUR OWN FINISH!!!! 1. Steve hurls Fluffy across the room, killing him. 2. Steve breaks Fluffy's neck, killing him. 3. Steve brings his knee up into Fluffy's back, killing him. 4. Steve says "Bad Fluffy!" and sets him down. 5.Steve says "Hi Fluffy!" and sets him down. fiendkiller For that matter, you're assuming that fluffy goes docile as soon as she makes her one strike.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-07-06, 03:01 PM	Let's look at this again. this time, Steve is unarmed. Please pardon my lack of rules for D&D. Steve walks into a house. Fluffy lunges at his arm, ripping his shirt and drawing some blood. Steve tries to picks the cat up. CHOOSE YOUR OWN FINISH!!!! 1. Steve Fluffy hurls Fluffy Steve across the room, killing him. 2. Steve Fluffy breaks Fluffy's Steve's neck, killing him. 3. Steve Fluffy brings his her knee up into Fluffy's Steve's back, killing him. 4. Steve says "Bad Fluffy!" and sets him down. 5.Steve says "Hi Fluffy!" and sets him down. and Fluffy says "hi" right back at him. I fixed your post. Fluffy is a female cat, not male. You would now this if you had read the thread. Now go to the corner and think before you say something again.
teenageghostcouncil 11-07-06, 11:50 PM	Now go to the corner and think before you say something again. Seconded
__DnD4Life__ 11-08-06, 12:31 AM	Seconded thirded. Also, vestigial thumb got the story right. Unlike some other person named after a legacy weapon.
Magon 11-08-06, 05:12 PM	:bump: the one and only. and here it is again, if you dident cath it first time: :bump:
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-08-06, 05:17 PM	so let's say fluffy becomes awakened and takes a level as a PC, while at the same time Steave get's himself a lv as well; what classes should they choose, and how will the fight go now?
Magon 11-08-06, 05:22 PM	fluffy is as allways: NINJA. steve... commoner
kjenks 11-08-06, 06:23 PM	If you advance Steve or Fluffy at all, the "who wins" question becomes uninteresting. But if you take Steve 1.0 (Commoner 1) and Fluffy 1.0 (a standard MM cat) and increase the encounter distance and add some terrain, it becomes a little more fun. Mortal enemies Steve and Fluffy enter a small forest. Each knows that the other is in there, somewhere. Only one will leave alive. Who will it be? Fluffy has better senses ("Low-light vision, scent") and way better ninja skilz than Steve (Balance +10, Climb +6, Hide +16*, Jump +10, Listen +3, Move Silently +8, Spot +3 vs. whatever pitiful skills a Commoner 1 can muster). All Fluffy has to do is Take 10 on Hide (26 total) and Steve will eventually walk right into Fluffy's lair. Sure, Steve has better reach, but once Fluffy gets close enough, Steve's toast. A Commoner1 has 1d4 HP, AC 8 + Dex (Leather Armor has 0 ACP, so Steve can wear it with no penalty even though he's not proficient). Fluffy can chew through that in a single full attack before Steve gets a chance to draw the single simple weapon he's proficient in. Heck, Fluffy could probably take a 5-ft.-step and spend her surprise round using Intimidate to Demoralize Opponent and still win this fight.
FaerellG 11-08-06, 06:38 PM	Good lord...this thread is like detailing my life since about 6 years ago when I got my cat. Cept, my cat took a level in Barbarian (I'm sure of it). And I've got some levels in Ranger, Rogue, and Expert, with 18 dex, he only hits when he catches me flatfooted or when he crits. That and I wear a leather jacket all the time so he doesn't usually hit.
teenageghostcouncil 11-09-06, 05:37 PM	Good lord...this thread is like detailing my life since about 6 years ago when I got my cat. Cept, my cat took a level in Barbarian (I'm sure of it). And I've got some levels in Ranger, Rogue, and Expert, with 18 dex, he only hits when he catches me flatfooted or when he crits. That and I wear a leather jacket all the time so he doesn't usually hit. I wish I had a cat like yours
Magon 11-12-06, 02:38 PM	MORE FIGHTS MORE FIGHTS. this therd will NOT die
Drachasor 11-12-06, 11:12 PM	I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but a familiar essentially has weapon finesse for free (they use their dexterity or strength, whichever is better). So, a if you have a cat familiar, then it is dynamite against commoners. For one it gets a few extra boosts (natural armor, better intelligence). On top of that it's to-hit goes through the roof, back to pre-errata'd cat stats. Suddenly a wizard leaving his familiar to guard someone or something is a pretty huge challenge to a small village of commoners. Afterall, at low levels that cat can be harder to take out than his master. -Drachasor
THETUNNELRAT 11-13-06, 09:04 PM	Fluffy the Drunken Master he has to be entered in the next Grudge Match . Fluffy the Drunken Master =VS= Asoka the Ninja Ferret
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 11-13-06, 10:18 PM	Fluffy should have been a Change Cat!
teenageghostcouncil 11-14-06, 12:20 AM	Fluffy should have been a Change Cat! no, that would be far to cool, the world couldn't handle it whats a change cat?
RobbyPants 11-14-06, 09:07 AM	If I find some time, I should write a quick VB program to test the results of 100 fights, and have it give a report... It could be fun :) I'll leave out stuff like terrain, but I'll just work off the BAB, AC, damage, and HP. Once one side is in the negatives, they lose!
elondir 11-14-06, 09:35 AM	Man oh man, this is the first rule that I have seen that may in fact actually be broken (for a change). Here's how I would fix it: Cat Tiny Outsider 1d2 hp AC 10 BAB +0 Damage 1 hp That ought to make it more realistic... who decided to make house cats so powerful? Was it because they can be familiars? In that case familiars are special buffed up animals, not regular fluffies... However, since this is a very entertaining thread, keep 'em coming!
RobbyPants 11-14-06, 10:48 AM	Man oh man, this is the first rule that I have seen that may in fact actually be broken (for a change). Cats break rules! :P
RobbyPants 11-15-06, 03:23 PM	If I find some time, I should write a quick VB program to test the results of 100 fights, and have it give a report... It could be fun :) I'll leave out stuff like terrain, but I'll just work off the BAB, AC, damage, and HP. Once one side is in the negatives, they lose! Update: Well, the Fluffy Vs. Steve program is 98% complete. All I need to do is get my hands on my MM to double-check the cat's stats. As it stands, the program will simulate anywhere from 1 - 10,000 fights between Fluffy and Steve, tallying the results. For fun, I've added in three mods for Steve: Weapon selection: Unarmed Dagger Club Morningstar Armor Selection: (Steve can wear up to leather because of the 0 ACP) None Padded Leather Ability Scores: Average - (Str 11, Dex 11, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 10) Warrior - (Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8) Elite - (Str 15, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 10, Cha 8) - Yeah, I know, not very likely ;) The program is simple, checking initiative to see who goes first, then it bounces back and forth checking for hits (and crits), and going until one side is below 0 HP. I didn't bother with tracking one side being staggered or disabled. Again, I have to check the MM for Fluffy's specifices; I went on memory for the preliminary version. As it stands, Fluffy wins a little less than 75% of the fights, assuming Steve is unarmed, unarmored, and has the average stat array. It drops to about 65% when Steve gets his morningstar (per the OP). I'll post more tonight! :D :w00t:
teenageghostcouncil 11-15-06, 03:59 PM	POWER TO THE FLUFF did it really win %75 percent? if so, cats own they already did, but they own more
RobbyPants 11-15-06, 04:07 PM	POWER TO THE FLUFF did it really win %75 percent? It won just under 75% on average with my current version. When I get home, I'll double-check the MM for Fluffy's stats. Right now, I'm doing it from memory. I know the MM has an errata, removing Weapon Finesse (or Fluffy would truely dominate), so I factored that in. I'll check the SRD, but I don't think they have monster stats. I'll post the full results once I'm finished!
RobbyPants 11-15-06, 04:41 PM	IT IS COMPLETE!!! I finished up my Fluffy Vs. Steve program. I realized that the SRD does have info on cats. Again, I pulled out the weapon finesse per the errata. The changes I made from my original version are: Fluffy gets 3 attacks now (I forgot about that!) unless it is the first attacker (it must move and cannot make a full attack). Lowered Fluffy's AC (I guessed the Dex wrong) Lowered fluffy's Initiative mod (I guessed the Dex wrong) All these things considered, fluffy came out more powerful. Again, I consider a "win" to be when the other side drops below 0 HP. To spell it out ahead of time, there are three ability score arrays I used for Steve during these tests (and this seems to be the biggest variable in the fights): Base - Str 11, Dex 11, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 10 - this I figure is "normal Steve" Warrior - Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 - this gives Steve an advantage Elite - Str 15, Dex 13, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 10, Cha 8 - this makes Steve pwn Fluffy (granted, not too realistic for a commoner) Each test run, I'll run it on 10,000 trials, to get a good average hopefully. Here are the results: Fluffy Vs. Steve (unarmed, unarmored, base stats): Fluffy: 7,857 Steve: 2,143 Fluffy Vs. Steve (with dagger, unarmored, base stats): Fluffy: 6,935 Steve: 3,065 Fluffy Vs. Steve (with club, unarmored, base stats): Fluffy: 6,756 Steve: 3,244 Fluffy Vs. Steve (with morningstar, unarmored, base stats): Fluffy: 6,661 Steve: 3,339 Fluffy Vs. Steve (unarmed, leather armor, base stats): Fluffy: 7,405 Steve: 2,595 Fluffy Vs. Steve (with morningstar and and leather armor, base stats): Fluffy: 6,049 Steve: 3,951 Fluffy Vs. Steve (unarmed, unarmored, warrior stats): Fluffy: 4,204 Steve: 5,796 Fluffy Vs. Steve (with morningstar, unarmored, warrior stats): Fluffy: 3,408 Steve: 6,592 Fluffy Vs. Steve (unarmed, unarmored, elite stats): Fluffy: 1,526 Steve: 8,474 Fluffy Vs. Steve (with morningstar and leather armor, elite stats): Fluffy: 1,003 Steve: 8,997 Well, it seems like against normal Steve, Fluffy kicks ass!!! Give Steve a weapon and he does better. Maybe some simple armor (with a 0 ACP to avoid non-proficiency issues) and he survives longer. What really makes Steve shine is better ability scores (obviously). Once his Str gets up a bit, his minimum damage will kill fluffy (and he hits more often). The higher Con allows him to survive more of Fluffy's hits (which only do one point of damage given the Str penalty). BTW, if anyone is interested in a copy of the little program, PM me with your email address and I'll send it to you. ;) Long live Fluffy!!!
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-15-06, 05:34 PM	yey fluffy, while i read that last post I was petting my cat, who chose that verry moment to- as cats often do- for no reason (other then maybe the fun of it) claw my armm my reaction which was heard by some of my family was "oh crap, i don't have any armor or weapons and i can only survive two more attacks like that!"
RobbyPants 11-15-06, 05:42 PM	:rofl: LOL Yeah, the system might make more sense if the cats would deal 1/10 a HP damage, so you could survive 20 attacks instead of 2, but hey, who wants to de-ninjafy the cats? Not me! (My cat would pwn me in 3 hits if she saw me writing this ;))
kjenks 11-15-06, 06:02 PM	Regarding AoOs: Threatening the surrounding squares is a serious advantage for an armed Steve. If Steve is armed, he can take a 5-ft. step away from Fluffy after making his single attack then take an AoO on Fluffy as Fluffy moves into Steve's square. This gives Steve twice as many attacks per round compared to a stationary Steve. Did you take that into account in your calculations? Fluffy is Tiny, so she only threatens her own square with her natural weapons. If Steve makes his single attack then moves out of Fluffy's square, Fluffy gets an AoO, but if Steve continues the attack-move sequence, Fluffy only gets two attacks per round on Steve instead of three per round if Steve stays withing 5 ft. of Fluffy. Did you take that into account in your calculations? Combining these two, if Steve is armed and he moves after each attack, both of them get 2 attacks per round. The odds still favor Fluffy since Fluffy has a better AC, but Steve's damage/attack is higher than Fluffy's so he has a better chance to one-shot Fluffy. Fluffy can't one-shot "normal" Steve since even on a crit, Fluffy only inflicts 2 HP. Since Steve has more reach than Fluffy, Steve can take a 5-ft. step then initiate a grapple on Fluffy. Since Fluffy doesn't threaten Steve's square, Fluffy can't take an AoO in Step 1. A successful step 3 inflicts unarmed strike damage (1d3 nonlethal), so the grapple attack has about the same chance of KOing Fluffy as a regular unarmed strike, but a successful grapple has the additional effect of limiting Fluffy to using only one natural weapon at -4 (using the Attack Your Opponent option) or making a grapple check to inflict damage (using the Damage Your Opponent option). And since she's Tiny and weak, Fluffy sucks at grapple checks. Did you take that into account in your calculations? If all you do is have Steve and Fluffy duke it out, attack vs. AC, damage vs. hit points, unarmed normal Steve will probably lose (as your program shows). But if Steve uses slightly better tactics, he has a better chance of winning. Fluffy almost automatically gets a surprise round on Steve (due to stealth), so Fluffy has a 25% chance of inflicting 1 HP on flat-footed, unarmored Steve in that surprise round (hitting AC 10 on a 6 or better). Then Fluffy has a pretty good chance of winning initiative and getting a full attack, so Fluffy has a decent chance (about 36.7%) of knocking normal Steve to -1 HP or lower before Steve gets a chance to act at all. But once Steve gets to act, he takes a 5-ft. step, draws a weapon and makes a grapple attack, he now has about a 40% per round of KOing Fluffy, and about a 20% chance per round of shutting down Fluffy's full attack by grappling. After they start their attack/move dance, Fluffy has a 25% chance of hitting normal unarmored Steve for 1 HP per hit twice per round. So giving Steve better tactics, my money is still on Fluffy vs. normal Steve, but not with the 4:1 or 3:1 odds that you get with your Monte Carlo simulation. I'd give Fluffy closer to 5:4 odds.
kjenks 11-15-06, 06:13 PM	Regarding cat and mouse tactics: On the other hand, if Fluffy stalks Steve, she'll probably surprise him. If she surprises Steve, she can probably get in one hit, then she has a pretty good chance of being able to run away and hide again before Steve gets a chance to act. If Fluffy uses this tactic repeatedly, poor Steve has a much lower chance of ever hitting Fluffy. Steve would have win his Spot or Listen check (unlikely, given Fluffy's ninja skillz, Hide +16, Move Silently +8) and therefore not be surprised, or he'd have to survive the surprise round and win initiative. Steve's at a disadvantage there because of a lower Dex. Since Steve's AC and HP are so low, he can't be expected to survive for long against a determine, stealthy huntress who can tag Steve and run away. Steve's only real defense against this tactic is to stay well away from all shadows, for in those shadows lurks Fluffy, the hit-and-run ninja housecat.
kjenks 11-15-06, 06:20 PM	Just to be fair to Fluffy, since you're giving Steve leather armor, you should give some to Fluffy, too. Remember that Tiny armor gets 1/2 the armor bonus of Medium armor, so armored Fluffy is AC 15.
RobbyPants 11-15-06, 06:59 PM	Regarding AoOs:... Fluffy is Tiny, so she only threatens her own square with her natural weapons. If Steve makes his single attack then moves out of Fluffy's square, Fluffy gets an AoO, but if Steve continues the attack-move sequence, Fluffy only gets two attacks per round on Steve instead of three per round if Steve stays withing 5 ft. of Fluffy. Did you take that into account in your calculations? Combining these two, if Steve is armed and he moves after each attack, both of them get 2 attacks per round. The odds still favor Fluffy since Fluffy has a better AC, but Steve's damage/attack is higher than Fluffy's so he has a better chance to one-shot Fluffy. Fluffy can't one-shot "normal" Steve since even on a crit, Fluffy only inflicts 2 HP. I did think about that, and no, I did not include it in my first version. About the most complicated thing I did was make it so Fluffy wouldn't get a full attack on the first round, because I assumed they were at least ten feet apart. However, I did write the program in such a way as to make this easy to incorporate. Here are some new results: Fluffy Vs. Steve (no weapons/armor, no tactics) Fluffy: 7,843 Steve: 2,157 Fluffy Vs. Steve (no weapons/armor, uses tactics) - "tactics" as described above Fluffy: 2,492 Steve: 7,508 So, yeah, if Steve uses a little bit of smarts, Fluffy has a harder time. This means it's in Fluffy's best interest to attack Steve in places like an elevator (if they had those ;)) or an outhouse! She's a ninja. She'll figure it out! Go Fluffy!!! Edit: If I run it as a worst case senerio (Steve has a morningstar, leather armor, the elite stats for ability scores, and uses the above mentioned tactics), Fluffy's a gonner! I guess this is somewhat realistic! Fluffy Vs. Steve (worst case) Fluffy: 2 Steve: 9,998
teenageghostcouncil 11-15-06, 07:35 PM	what did fluffy do the 2 times a he won gainst the uber commoner? id guess alot of 20s
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-15-06, 08:15 PM	Edit: If I run it as a worst case senerio (Steve has a morningstar, leather armor, the elite stats for ability scores, and uses the above mentioned tactics), Fluffy's a gonner! I guess this is somewhat realistic! yeh, but by that point steave is hardly even a commoner any more, I mean what commoner can aford that stuff, let alone be proficent with it. is there any way you can integrate hit and run tactics into your program?
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 10:26 AM	what did fluffy do the 2 times a he won gainst the uber commoner? id guess alot of 20s I did run it several times just for kicks. Sometimes Fluffy would win a mere 5 out of 10,000 times, and sometimes he wouldn't even win once. Again, against stupid, unarmed, tacticless Steve, Fluffy dominates just over 78% of the time! is there any way you can integrate hit and run tactics into your program? Anything's possible. It'll be a bit of a pain, but I might try. Here's the best "hit and run" tactics I can think of: Fluffy's Hide beats Steve's Spot. Fluffy comes in for a partial charge on the surprise round and makes a single attack. If Fluffy wins initiative, she runs away and hides, drawing no AoO from Steve because he's flat-footed. She repeats this as necessary. If Steve win's initiative, Fluffy guages her reactions on Steve's: if Steve stays and attacks, Fluffy stays and full attacks (she gets 3 attacks to his 1, this is the best case for her). If Steve "uses tactics" and backs up, then Fluffy runs and hides (no AoO becuase she's out of reach) rather than attack and generate another AoO (worst case for her, because Steve gets 2 attacks per her 1). Basically, Fluffy would try and make the best of the situation, and hopefully initiative is on her side (she has a +2 bonus compared to Steve's +0). What do you think? EDIT: I just looked at the SRD. Assuming Fluffy's smart enough to attack from areas of tall grass or other undergrowth, she gets a total +14 bonus on her Hide check. Compared to average Steve's +0 Spot, this might be a fairly valid tactic! Maybe I will try and rewrite the program... :plotting:
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 10:30 AM	I'll tell you this once and only once. Fluffy automatically wins.
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 11:17 AM	I'll tell you this once and only once. Fluffy automatically wins. automaticallly wins what?
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 11:25 AM	automaticallly wins what? In general.
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 11:54 AM	In general. obviously
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 12:45 PM	yeh, but by that point steave is hardly even a commoner any more, I mean what commoner can aford that stuff, let alone be proficent with it. I forgot to comment on this earlier... The elite array is really a bit stupid to run, I admit. I mainly threw that one in just for the heck of it more than anything else. I could buy the warrior array, as that averages out to 10.5 (the standard 15 point buy, just spread out a bit more), but I'll consider "average Steve" to have just 10s and 11s. As for the equipment, cost is certainly an issue, but proficiency isn't. All of the weapons are simple (and commoners get a single simple weapon proficiency), and both armors I use (padded and leather) have a 0 ACP, which means there's no penalty for non-proficiency (-0 to all attack rolls). I also wanted to include the morningstar because I believe the OP had Steve using a morningstar agaisnt Fluffy. Again, either later this afternoon, or maybe tonight, I think I'll try and add the "hit and run" tactics for Fluffy. It will require some rework to the combat loop, but I think I have a decent algorithm down (see my previous post).
kjenks 11-16-06, 01:30 PM	What do you think? EDIT: I just looked at the SRD. Assuming Fluffy's smart enough to attack from areas of tall grass or other undergrowth, she gets a total +14 bonus on her Hide check. Compared to average Steve's +0 Spot, this might be a fairly valid tactic! Maybe I will try and rewrite the program... :plotting: Looks good. Don't forget to give Fluffy +2 on her attack roll and -2 AC if she makes a partial charge. But the MM Errata gives Fluffy the Stealthy feat, too. She has Hide +16, or "In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth," Hide +20. If Fluffy does a Take 10, Steve doesn't have a prayer of Spotting her. And in my experience, real-life cats often Take 10 on Hide and Move Silently, carefully stalking their prey.
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 01:40 PM	Looks good. Don't forget to give Fluffy +2 on her attack roll and -2 AC if she makes a partial charge. I will. I don't think the -2 AC will matter as Fluffy will only charge if not spotted. Otherwise she risks an AoO if Steve wins Init. But the MM Errata gives Fluffy the Stealthy feat, too. She has Hide +16, or "In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth," Hide +20. I think the +14 included the extra boost from the undergrowth, but you're right that stealthy does add a +2, making it +16. If Fluffy does a Take 10, Steve doesn't have a prayer of Spotting her. And in my experience, real-life cats often Take 10 on Hide and Move Silently, carefully stalking their prey. I'm not sure she can take 10. I thought you couldn't take 10 on opposed skill checks unless some other specific rule said otherwise (perhaps this is a cat ability that I missed). But yeah, if she can take 10, then she will get a 26, and Steve's best is a 20 (and 20s don't auto-succeed with skill checks). I've already started adding in some of the extras for the re-work... hopefully I'll have something before dinner time.
epifreak 11-16-06, 02:08 PM	Even if she can't take 10, she'd need to roll, what? 4 or less for it to be possible for Steve to spot her?
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 02:20 PM	what is a cats reflex save? just wondering
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 02:24 PM	what is a cats reflex save? just wondering +4
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 03:05 PM	+4 Id say to low, if you were to try to suddenly drop an object on a cat(I have done this) they are on the other side of the room before you have even let go
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-16-06, 03:13 PM	Id say to low, if you were to try to suddenly drop an object on a cat(I have done this) they are on the other side of the room before you have even let go yes but IO don't think we should change it, after all the point oth this thread is to highlight the problems with the way commoners and animals are set up (or at least thats what I get from it).
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 03:13 PM	I already made Fluffy a long time ago. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10023803&postcount=223) They break the rules, but Fluffy's a cat. Cats break rules.
kjenks 11-16-06, 03:56 PM	I'm not sure she can take 10. I thought you couldn't take 10 on opposed skill checks unless some other specific rule said otherwise (perhaps this is a cat ability that I missed). But yeah, if she can take 10, then she will get a 26, and Steve's best is a 20 (and 20s don't auto-succeed with skill checks). She has to follow the rules for Take 10: SRD === Taking 10: When your character is not being threatened or distracted, you may choose to take 10. Instead of rolling 1d20 for the skill check, calculate your result as if you had rolled a 10. For many routine tasks, taking 10 makes them automatically successful. Distractions or threats (such as combat) make it impossible for a character to take 10. In most cases, taking 10 is purely a safety measure —you know (or expect) that an average roll will succeed but fear that a poor roll might fail, so you elect to settle for the average roll (a 10). Taking 10 is especially useful in situations where a particularly high roll wouldn’t help. === As you can see, there's no rule against Taking 10 on opposed rolls. In fact, Spot vs. Disguise specifically discusses Taking 10. SRD === DISGUISE (CHA) Check: Your Disguise check result determines how good the disguise is, and it is opposed by others’ Spot check results. If you don’t draw any attention to yourself, others do not get to make Spot checks. If you come to the attention of people who are suspicious (such as a guard who is watching commoners walking through a city gate), it can be assumed that such observers are taking 10 on their Spot checks. ===
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 04:01 PM	Okay. So, basically, I'll have Fluffy auto-succeed on the Hide roll before the attack granting surprise. If she needs to retreat, I'll have her roll (because she's in combat), but she still gets the +16. If Steve is flat-footed, and Fluffy goes to hide after the attack, can she take 10, because Steve hasn't yet attacked, or does her first attack count as a "distracting situation"?
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 04:01 PM	She has to follow the rules for Take 10 No, she just breaks them.
Kursk 11-16-06, 04:09 PM	That's why house cats don't do damage in my game. When I was a kid we had a 25 lb tom cat (no fat, all muscle). He used to shred us. It hurt like hell but I could take it all day without being killed or even being downed. I was 8 yrs old. DM's MUST use some logic or things get weird.
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 04:13 PM	That's why house cats don't do damage in my game. When I was a kid we had a 25 lb tom cat (no fat, all muscle). He used to shred us. It hurt like hell but I could take it all day without being killed or even being downed. I was 8 yrs old. DM's MUST use some logic or things get weird. Certainly. The biggest fault with the system here is the "resolution of HP". If cats would deal 1/10th a HP of damage, it would be a little closer to realistic. Then it would take 21 hits instead of 3 to KO Steve. Same thing goes for stubbing toes, pricking a needle, or whatever. Although, I think the point of this thread is more to show that the rules are a bit broken in this regard, and (as has been scientifically proven) cats break rules! ;)
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 04:22 PM	When I was a kid we had a 25 lb tom cat (no fat, all muscle). He used to shred us. It hurt like hell but I could take it all day without being killed or even being downed. I was 8 yrs old. You truly are powerful, sir. I tip my hat to you :tiphat: EDIT: I was NOT being sarcastic. Cats are crazy powerful creatures. See my Fluffy build.
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 04:54 PM	yes but IO don't think we should change it, after all the point oth this thread is to highlight the problems with the way commoners and animals are set up (or at least thats what I get from it). that is what I was doing You truly are powerful, sir. I tip my hat to you :tiphat: EDIT: I was NOT being sarcastic. Cats are crazy powerful creatures. See my Fluffy build. his cat is an exception, I gave it weakining drugs in order to save kursk I should get bonus points for saving his life
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 05:06 PM	his cat is an exception, I gave it weakining drugs in order to save kursk I should get bonus points for saving his life I can't give you bonus points since you're not in my posse.
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 05:28 PM	I can't give you bonus points since you're not in my posse. then I will join just long enough to get the points, then leave
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 05:45 PM	then I will join just long enough to get the points, then leave Doesn't work that way, dude. You hand over your soul as collateral. No teenageghostcouncil, no bonus points, no soul.
Sim_antix 11-16-06, 05:49 PM	:nonono:
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 06:00 PM	Doesn't work that way, dude. You hand over your soul as collateral. No teenageghostcouncil, no bonus points, no soul. fine, then I go and cry in my corner. no, wait, i go beat someone up and take thier points they got from thier lords edit: you can have one more word in if you want thumb, but some *cough* "others" sim*cough* antix*cough*would like our conversation to end oo I am in ur sig mr. antix since that thread my spamming has ended, I hav learnt better
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 06:08 PM	Now back to the subject of Fluffy, the Lion-Hearted, formerly Hermaphroditic Sorcerer Ninja Cat that wins everything.
Yaeri 11-16-06, 06:16 PM	Now back to the subject of Fluffy, the Lion-Hearted, formerly Hermaphroditic Sorcerer Ninja Cat that wins everything. Hermaphrodite!!?!? I didn't know that! "I hereby take an official interest in this thread." One serious question though, something I wondered about, but the thread's too big too delve through. Did a cat, as a tiny creature always draw an attack of opportunity for having to move into the commoner's space to attack?
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 06:29 PM	Hermaphrodite!!?!? I didn't know that! "I hereby take an official interest in this thread." One serious question though, something I wondered about, but the thread's too big too delve through. Did a cat, as a tiny creature always draw an attack of opportunity for having to move into the commoner's space to attack? saying this is to big is implying you have a life, you can't fool us. but yeah, that has been covered
Vestigial_Thumb 11-16-06, 06:39 PM	Hermaphrodite!!?!? I didn't know that! Formerly, yes. For a short period in this thread, Fluffy was reffered to as he and she, sometimes alternating between posts made by the same poster. Hauptsin and I clarified that Fluffy is indeed a female cat.
kjenks 11-16-06, 07:34 PM	Okay. So, basically, I'll have Fluffy auto-succeed on the Hide roll before the attack granting surprise. If she needs to retreat, I'll have her roll (because she's in combat), but she still gets the +16. Right. But that assumes that she can get to an area granting concealment within a move action. If Steve is flat-footed, and Fluffy goes to hide after the attack, can she take 10, because Steve hasn't yet attacked, or does her first attack count as a "distracting situation"? Since she's in combat and then running from combat, she can't be Taking 10 because she's rushed and/or distracted.
RobbyPants 11-16-06, 11:28 PM	Okay! I have version 1.2 of my program complete, adding tactics for Fluffy. I regret to report that my initial score of 78% for Fluffy was a bit high, due to an error. Anyway, here are the assumptions I make in my program, so we're all on the same page: Fluffy and Steve are assumed to begin combat between 10 and 30 feet apart (too far for a full attack, but close enough to get there in one round). We will use "average" Steve for all these trials (all 10s and 11s on his stats). If neither of them use any tactics, they are assumed to rush up and full attack eachother until one drops. If Fluffy makes the first attack, she only gets one attack on that first round. Otherwise, she gets three attacks to Steve's one. If Steve uses tactics, he will back up ten feet after his attack. This helps him by forcing Fluffy to move in (losing her full attack) and she also provokes an AoO when she enters his square. This gives Steve two attacks per Fluffy's one. If Fluffy is using tactics, she will hide in the near-by undergrowth (we will assume there is always undergrowth present with 30 feet of Fluffy's current location). She can take 10 on her Hide checks before combat (with her +16 Hide bonus), so she will automatically gain surprise. She rushes in for a partial charge. After that, if she wins initiative, she will run and try and hide. If not, Steve attacks her. Steve may spot Fluffy trying to run, and if she fails her Hide check, he will charge her. I won't go into more specifics than that (it gets more complicated depending on if both are using tactics, but I accounted for that in the program). So, here are the results: No weapons for Steve Fluffy Vs. Steve - (no tactics) Fluffy: 6,768 Steve: 3,232 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Fluffy uses tactics) Fluffy: 6,870 Steve: 3,130 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Steve uses tactics) Fluffy: 1,118 Steve: 8,882 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (both use tactics) Fluffy: 6,527 Steve: 3,473 Steve uses a morningstar Fluffy Vs. Steve - (no tactics) Fluffy: 5,196 Steve: 4,804 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Fluffy uses tactics) Fluffy: 5,304 Steve: 4,696 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Steve uses tactics) Fluffy: 609 Steve: 9,391 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (both use tactics) Fluffy: 5,011 Steve: 4,981 So there you have it! All things being equal, Fluffy still pwns Steve in an even fight (although not as badly as I'd previously thought). Give Steve a weapon and he fares much better. Fluffy's hit and run tactics do help a bit, but they help the most when Steve has a weapon (he gets less attacks on her) and also when Steve's using tactics (as she avoids his AoOs by running after he's backed up his 10 feet). BTW, anyone interested in a copy of the program can PM me, and I'll email it to you :D
teenageghostcouncil 11-16-06, 11:39 PM	why is there such a huge differnce when steve uses his tactis, but not when fluffy does? nvm, I didn't see some of the stuff near the bottom
kjenks 11-17-06, 12:05 AM	So there you have it! All things being equal, Fluffy still pwns Steve in an even fight (although not as badly as I'd previously thought). Give Steve a weapon and he fares much better. Fluffy's hit and run tactics do help a bit, but they help the most when Steve has a weapon (he gets less attacks on her) and also when Steve's using tactics (as she avoids his AoOs by running after he's backed up his 10 feet). Awesome. I think this is a definitive answer. Go, Fluffy!
RobbyPants 11-17-06, 08:55 AM	Awesome. I think this is a definitive answer. Go, Fluffy! :w00t: Long live the Fluff!!! :w00t:
Vestigial_Thumb 11-17-06, 10:33 AM	There seems to be a major error in your program, though. Apparently, Steve gets a number of wins that is greater than 0. You need to check this out.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-17-06, 03:12 PM	There seems to be a major error in your program, though. Apparently, Steve gets a number of wins that is greater than 0. You need to check this out. that's just because fluffy lets him think he has won some of the time so that when she chrushes him his fall will be that much farther for him.
teenageghostcouncil 11-17-06, 04:11 PM	that's just because fluffy lets him think he has won some of the time so that when she chrushes him his fall will be that much farther for him. darn you beat me to it
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-17-06, 05:34 PM	maybe now people wil watch who they call cr 1/4. now that fluffy has pretty much become a terror like no other, maybe we should talk about other animals with poor cr who could take commoners. for example the donkey is looking pretty under rated
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-17-06, 05:56 PM	on second thought forget about the donkey wesels are much cooler.
teenageghostcouncil 11-17-06, 06:33 PM	on second thought forget about the donkey wesels are much cooler. hows bouts gophers?
epifreak 11-17-06, 11:43 PM	Since fluffy can pretty much dominate Steve, who is in theory the same CR, lets up the ante some. How about we try pitting Fluffy against some of the CR 1/2 creatures in the MM? Maybe Fluffy vs. Generic Orc NPC #3?
Yaeri 11-18-06, 05:05 AM	Formerly, yes....Fluffy is indeed a female cat. Shees, what a turn-off. :P
Vestigial_Thumb 11-18-06, 11:25 AM	Maybe Fluffy vs. Generic Orc NPC #3? Fluffy wins. The only thing that can actually do anything to Fluffy is Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris is the good guy, however, and couldn't even think of harming a small cat (let alone an adorable cat). Fluffy also likes Chuck and considers him a friend.
epifreak 11-18-06, 12:20 PM	I meant Fluffy the straight from the MM cat, not Fluffy the overdiety; I should have specified, sorry.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-18-06, 12:29 PM	I meant Fluffy the straight from the MM cat, not Fluffy the overdiety; I should have specified, sorry. The cat from MM could never be Fluffy. Ever.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-18-06, 12:39 PM	The cat from MM could never be Fluffy. Ever. so who is he (I am anouncing now that it is a he), tiger, boots, ichabod...... there are plenty of good names for cats. i personaly like Ichabod (crain slayer)
Vestigial_Thumb 11-18-06, 12:42 PM	so who is he (I am anouncing now that it is a he), tiger, boots, ichabod...... there are plenty of good names for cats. i personaly like Ichabod (crain slayer) Mr. Wilkinson.
RobbyPants 11-18-06, 12:47 PM	Since fluffy can pretty much dominate Steve, who is in theory the same CR, lets up the ante some. How about we try pitting Fluffy against some of the CR 1/2 creatures in the MM? Maybe Fluffy vs. Generic Orc NPC #3? I made a copy of the program to put Fluffy up against a standard MM orc warrior 1, with the stats therein. She doesn't do so well, given that his Str mod is +3, the Con mod is +1, and he has twice as many base HP. I just ran it without tactics on both sides (I don't want to hassel with the speed changes with scale armor, etc...). Fluffy: 155 Orc: 9,845
Vestigial_Thumb 11-18-06, 12:49 PM	I made a copy of the program to put Fluffy up against a standard MM orc warrior 1, with the stats therein. She doesn't do so well, given that his Str mod is +3, the Con mod is +1, and he has twice as many base HP. I just ran it without tactics on both sides (I don't want to hassel with the speed changes with scale armor, etc...). Fluffy: 155 Orc: 9,845 Fluffy has already been scientifically proven to be awesome and she can beat everything at straight combat, tactics or no. Even huge greatsword are not enough to even hurt her.
teenageghostcouncil 11-18-06, 01:16 PM	Fluffy has already been scientifically proven to be awesome and she can beat everything at straight combat, tactics or no. Even huge greatsword are not enough to even hurt her. yeah, that is why I make it my business to make friends with every cat I see
Yaeri 11-18-06, 05:31 PM	All right Mister Vestigial Thumb (I can call you Mister Vestigial Thumb, right?), what's the deal between you and Fluffy? You know what I'm talking about! :detect:
teenageghostcouncil 11-18-06, 07:34 PM	All right Mister Vestigial Thumb (I can call you Mister Vestigial Thumb, right?), what's the deal between you and Fluffy? You know what I'm talking about! :detect: thumb praises fluffy to no end, and fluffy spares thumbs life
Vestigial_Thumb 11-18-06, 10:28 PM	All right Mister Vestigial Thumb (I can call you Mister Vestigial Thumb, right?), what's the deal between you and Fluffy? You know what I'm talking about! :detect: Since none of you seem to bother reading posts that aren't explicitly addressed to you, I'll tell you once and only once: I was the one who statted Fluffy. I created her. She's effectively my daughter. Since I am THE most powerful and awesome creature in the universe, anything I make must be equally awesome. You can also see that since I had nothing to do with the creation of teenageghostcouncil here, he's scratching the bottom of the barrel when it comes to awesomeness. His rating is about 10^23 KiloLosers. That seriously sucks, man, and I didn't have anything to do with it.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-18-06, 10:35 PM	You can also see that since I had nothing to do with the creation of teenageghostcouncil here, he's scratching the bottom of the barrel when it comes to awesomeness. His rating is about 10^23 KiloLosers. That seriously sucks, man, and I didn't have anything to do with it. wow that sucks for teenageghostcouncil, so Thumb trusting in your awsomness to be dead on in all sorts of determinations I would like to ask you how would you stat/ rank the rest of us then.
teenageghostcouncil 11-18-06, 11:54 PM	You can also see that since I had nothing to do with the creation of teenageghostcouncil here, he's scratching the bottom of the barrel when it comes to awesomeness. His rating is about 10^23 KiloLosers. That seriously sucks, man, and I didn't have anything to do with it. hamster
Vestigial_Thumb 11-19-06, 09:06 AM	wow that sucks for teenageghostcouncil, so Thumb trusting in your awsomness to be dead on in all sorts of determinations I would like to ask you how would you stat/ rank the rest of us then. The Win value of a person is kind of hard to determine. But since you seem to be on my side, you're probably several TeraWins (like me; 10^24 is the maximum of the Win scale). hamster Wow! You sure gave me the comeback of a lifetime. I'll have to sit down and think for a long time if I ever hope to counter this.
Stev Beren 11-19-06, 09:10 AM	Okay! I have version 1.2 of my program complete, adding tactics for Fluffy. I regret to report that my initial score of 78% for Fluffy was a bit high, due to an error. Anyway, here are the assumptions I make in my program, so we're all on the same page: Fluffy and Steve are assumed to begin combat between 10 and 30 feet apart (too far for a full attack, but close enough to get there in one round). We will use "average" Steve for all these trials (all 10s and 11s on his stats). If neither of them use any tactics, they are assumed to rush up and full attack eachother until one drops. If Fluffy makes the first attack, she only gets one attack on that first round. Otherwise, she gets three attacks to Steve's one. If Steve uses tactics, he will back up ten feet after his attack. This helps him by forcing Fluffy to move in (losing her full attack) and she also provokes an AoO when she enters his square. This gives Steve two attacks per Fluffy's one. If Fluffy is using tactics, she will hide in the near-by undergrowth (we will assume there is always undergrowth present with 30 feet of Fluffy's current location). She can take 10 on her Hide checks before combat (with her +16 Hide bonus), so she will automatically gain surprise. She rushes in for a partial charge. After that, if she wins initiative, she will run and try and hide. If not, Steve attacks her. Steve may spot Fluffy trying to run, and if she fails her Hide check, he will charge her. I won't go into more specifics than that (it gets more complicated depending on if both are using tactics, but I accounted for that in the program). So, here are the results: No weapons for Steve Fluffy Vs. Steve - (no tactics) Fluffy: 6,768 Steve: 3,232 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Fluffy uses tactics) Fluffy: 6,870 Steve: 3,130 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Steve uses tactics) Fluffy: 1,118 Steve: 8,882 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (both use tactics) Fluffy: 6,527 Steve: 3,473 Steve uses a morningstar Fluffy Vs. Steve - (no tactics) Fluffy: 5,196 Steve: 4,804 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Fluffy uses tactics) Fluffy: 5,304 Steve: 4,696 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (Steve uses tactics) Fluffy: 609 Steve: 9,391 Fluffy Vs. Steve - (both use tactics) Fluffy: 5,011 Steve: 4,981 So there you have it! All things being equal, Fluffy still pwns Steve in an even fight (although not as badly as I'd previously thought). Give Steve a weapon and he fares much better. Fluffy's hit and run tactics do help a bit, but they help the most when Steve has a weapon (he gets less attacks on her) and also when Steve's using tactics (as she avoids his AoOs by running after he's backed up his 10 feet). BTW, anyone interested in a copy of the program can PM me, and I'll email it to you :D HEre is a different tactic: Grab the cat in your hands and proceed to have your way with it. . no,that sounded wrong. . . But. .its a VERY small animal> Even an eleven strength could grapple it, and if Steve gets a firm hold on Fluffly, the combat would be completely over.
teenageghostcouncil 11-19-06, 11:35 AM	Wow! You sure gave me the comeback of a lifetime. I'll have to sit down and think for a long time if I ever hope to counter this. It was an awesome comeback and it wasn't actually supposed to be mean, it was more reminding you how easily you got annoyed, and that maybe you should watch how you treat others
Vestigial_Thumb 11-19-06, 11:46 AM	It was an awesome comeback Okay. and it wasn't actually supposed to be mean, it was more reminding you how easily you got annoyed, and that maybe you should watch how you treat others Why would I watch how I treat others? They annoy me and I go primal on their asses.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-19-06, 12:57 PM	HEre is a different tactic: Grab the cat in your hands and proceed to have your way with it. . no,that sounded wrong. . . But. .its a VERY small animal> Even an eleven strength could grapple it, and if Steve gets a firm hold on Fluffly, the combat would be completely over. not shure that would work, a big part of fluffy's victories is her not being hit at all, either by killing Steave before he gets a chance, or being too quick.
teenageghostcouncil 11-19-06, 01:23 PM	Why would I watch how I treat others? They annoy me and I go primal on their asses. and you threaten to report people for being called a hamster 5, maybe 10 times? If I was called a hamster, I would laugh, and maybe even call myself one.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-19-06, 01:45 PM	and you threaten to report people for being called a hamster 5, maybe 10 times? If I was called a hamster, I would laugh, and maybe even call myself one. The fact that continued after it stopped being funny was enough to annoy me (yes, you were only supposed to say it once or, better yet, not at all since I wasn't being serious).
teenageghostcouncil 11-19-06, 02:55 PM	The fact that continued after it stopped being funny was enough to annoy me (yes, you were only supposed to say it once or, better yet, not at all since I wasn't being serious). ok, I don't think we will get anywhere with this, so no hamster for you, and no kilolosers for me. If we continue this argument, it will probably just get this thread closed peace dude, peace and the tactics mentioned by Stev Beren, wouldn't that increase Steves wins by a little, if not much?
RobbyPants 11-19-06, 05:38 PM	HEre is a different tactic: Grab the cat in your hands and proceed to have your way with it. . no,that sounded wrong. . . But. .its a VERY small animal> Even an eleven strength could grapple it, and if Steve gets a firm hold on Fluffly, the combat would be completely over. Good idea. I might try adding that. It will probably be a bit until I take the time to do it.
epifreak 11-19-06, 07:08 PM	Hmm...so Fluffy vs. Generic Orc NPC #3 didn't work so well, how about Fluffy vs. (whatever Steve's dog's name was). Live out the age old rivalry of cat vs. dog.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-19-06, 07:23 PM	Hmm...so Fluffy vs. Generic Orc NPC #3 didn't work so well, how about Fluffy vs. (whatever Steve's dog's name was). Live out the age old rivalry of cat vs. dog. That has already been tried. Fluffy won.
teenageghostcouncil 11-19-06, 08:04 PM	That has already been tried. Fluffy won. has it been tried with RobbyPants system?
Vestigial_Thumb 11-19-06, 08:13 PM	has it been tried with RobbyPants system? I hope RobbyPants doesn't hate me for this: His system is flawed as hell.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 11-19-06, 08:15 PM	I hope RobbyPants doesn't hate me for this: His system is flawed as hell. Yes, it actually shows Fluffy as having a win percentage lower then 100%. :nonono: You need to fix it Robby.
teenageghostcouncil 11-19-06, 09:19 PM	I hope RobbyPants doesn't hate me for this: His system is flawed as hell. Yes, it actually shows Fluffy as having a win percentage lower then 100%. :nonono: You need to fix it Robby. ur both just jealous
epifreak 11-20-06, 12:07 AM	Can we just acknowledge that there are two separate, not to be confused Fluffys here? There is Fluffy, the overdiety, who you keep referring to, Vestigial Thumb, and then there is Fluffy, the straight from the monster manual cat. When I am asking about pitting Fluffy vs. X, I am referring to the latter. Otherwise, there would be no need to run the simulation; Fluffy (overdiety) would win. Perhaps when referring to Fluffy (overdiety), you should just use her full title (Fluffy, the Lion-Hearted, formerly Hermaphroditic Sorcerer Ninja Cat that wins everything). That would alleviate any confusion. If the full title is not used, just assume MM kitty.
RobbyPants 11-20-06, 09:07 AM	I hope RobbyPants doesn't hate me for this: His system is flawed as hell. Yes, it actually shows Fluffy as having a win percentage lower then 100%. :nonono: You need to fix it Robby. Hell, I can write a program to do that real easily. Just a simple variation on the whole "Hello World" program. I'll just change the name from "Hello World" to "Fluffy wins: 100%". Done. I should do this on commision. :plotting: Can we just acknowledge that there are two separate, not to be confused Fluffys here? Yeah, sorry Thumb. My program wasn't statted out to your uber Fluffy, but the standard MM cat (seeing as how the whole title of the thread is "Cat Vs. Commoner" and not "Fluffy Vs. Steve"). Maybe I should go back and edit all my posts to change "Fluffy" to "the cat", removing any confusion. ;)
Vestigial_Thumb 11-20-06, 10:24 AM	Yeah, sorry Thumb. My program wasn't statted out to your uber Fluffy, but the standard MM cat (seeing as how the whole title of the thread is "Cat Vs. Commoner" and not "Fluffy Vs. Steve"). Maybe I should go back and edit all my posts to change "Fluffy" to "the cat", removing any confusion. ;) Nah, but just so we don't have to go through this again, just refer to the digital version Fluffy as Fluffy 2 (or a name you like you like) in future posts. :)
RobbyPants 11-20-06, 01:43 PM	Nah, but just so we don't have to go through this again, just refer to the digital version Fluffy as Fluffy 2 (or a name you like you like) in future posts. :) LOL :rofl: Or Robocat. I've actually got one request for a copy of the program. Anyone else interested, PM me, and I can email it to you.
Lunas_Argent 11-20-06, 01:48 PM	...and then there is Fluffy, the straight from the monster manual cat. As opposed to Fluffy, the gay (not from the MM) cat?
epifreak 11-20-06, 01:55 PM	As opposed to Fluffy, the gay (not from the MM) cat? No, silly, as opposed to Fluffy, the Lion-Hearted, formerly Hermaphroditic Sorcerer Ninja Cat that wins everything.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-20-06, 02:07 PM	No, silly, as opposed to Fluffy, the Lion-Hearted, formerly Hermaphroditic Sorcerer Ninja Cat that wins everything. We haven't actually asked her about her sexual orientation. She very well may be gay.
epifreak 11-20-06, 04:13 PM	I suppose that this is true, though I always thought of overdieties as more asexual than anything.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-20-06, 05:19 PM	I suppose that this is true, though I always thought of overdieties as more asexual than anything. But Fluffy is a cat. Cats break rules, including this one. Anyways, I asked her, and she says she's bisexual. So she's now Fluffy the Lionhearted, formerly Hermaphroditic, Bisexual Sorcerer Ninja Cat that wins everything.
Stev Beren 11-20-06, 06:00 PM	not shure that would work, a big part of fluffy's victories is her not being hit at all, either by killing Steave before he gets a chance, or being too quick. If it even works a significant percentage of the time, it alters the percentages.
Stev Beren 11-20-06, 06:10 PM	Good idea. I might try adding that. It will probably be a bit until I take the time to do it. You might look into all of the variety of tactics that use size and strength - because while Steve's strength isn't HIGH, it IS high in comparison to a common cat. ANything involving reach, overbearing. .. ANd the other factor is, a cat, a REAL cat, woudl not fight to the death - it woudl get out LONG before it came to that.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-20-06, 06:26 PM	You might look into all of the variety of tactics that use size and strength - because while Steve's strength isn't HIGH, it IS high in comparison to a common cat. ANything involving reach, overbearing. .. ANd the other factor is, a cat, a REAL cat, woudl not fight to the death - it woudl get out LONG before it came to that. but that brings us to the question of; why is the cat fighting at all? my guess is that a Fluffy overlord of all that purrs and slayer of all that does not ordered it to attack steave and the cat desided it was better to die serving it's master then live haveing failed.
epifreak 11-20-06, 07:31 PM	But Fluffy is a cat. Cats break rules, including this one. Fair enough; I can't argue your logic.
Kresalak 11-20-06, 11:17 PM	HEre is a different tactic: Grab the cat in your hands and proceed to have your way with it. . no,that sounded wrong. . . But. .its a VERY small animal> Even an eleven strength could grapple it, and if Steve gets a firm hold on Fluffly, the combat would be completely over. A cat is fine too.
Subedei 11-21-06, 02:42 AM	This is just a good example of why we shouldn't be using Commoner at all for NPCs, the class is considerably weaker than animal HD. I like to think of commoner as representing a small child in a system that allows NPCs to "graduate" from one class to another. Start as a commoner, grow into an expert, aristocrat, generic human HD or some such as you mature. Perhaps you go through basic training, thus you either gain a warrior HD or your human HD turns into warrior HD etc. It just makes more sense and allows NPCs to change (to reflect things such as training) without actually gaining more HD (thus becoming more powerful) rather than just different.
teenageghostcouncil 11-21-06, 11:46 AM	This is just a good example of why we shouldn't be using Commoner at all for NPCs, the class is considerably weaker than animal HD. I like to think of commoner as representing a small child in a system that allows NPCs to "graduate" from one class to another. Start as a commoner, grow into an expert, aristocrat, generic human HD or some such as you mature. Perhaps you go through basic training, thus you either gain a warrior HD or your human HD turns into warrior HD etc. It just makes more sense and allows NPCs to change (to reflect things such as training) without actually gaining more HD (thus becoming more powerful) rather than just different. how many frickin times do I have to tell you people?!?!?!?!?!?! post, don't think (bad starwars reference) it hurts my brain
zuul88 11-21-06, 04:05 PM	We are all entitled to our own opinions. No offence intended, I guess I just don't agree with yours. I don't believe that owning a gun or carrying a gun necessarily protects people from violent crime. Indeed, carrying a gun doesn't mean that a baseball bat wielding crackhead won't sneak up behind you or jump out of an alley and mug you again before you have time to react. I also don't like the idea of my fellow law abiding citizens walking around the streets armed with weapons. Judgement is a funny thing, and I don't like the idea of entrusting armed civilians to make the right judgement call at a moments notice or in stressful situations. However, as I said, I don't mean to offend and you can take my comments as you will, especially as I'm one of those gun hating anti-gun types. If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns!!! I personally will take fluffy over a dog. We had a semi-feral cat named Mixy. She was cornered by 2 big dobermans, so I(was 9) grab a rake and ran to scare the dogs away. When I was about 10ft away I guess mixy had had enough of their bullsh*t barking at her. So she leap onto one of the dogs faces and started raking aand biting him. By the time I got there(6 sec-move ation) the unattacked dog was fleeing and the other was trying to run with Mixy stuck on his face, ripping it apart. I found out later that they were dogs from a couple blocks away. He lost one eye and had to get his face stiched back together. Long Live Krazy Kats!!!!
epifreak 11-21-06, 05:27 PM	If you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns!!! For the love of God, why start this again? I personally will take fluffy over a dog. We had a semi-feral cat named Mixy. She was cornered by 2 big dobermans, so I(was 9) grab a rake and ran to scare the dogs away. When I was about 10ft away I guess mixy had had enough of their bullsh*t barking at her. So she leap onto one of the dogs faces and started raking aand biting him. By the time I got there(6 sec-move ation) the unattacked dog was fleeing and the other was trying to run with Mixy stuck on his face, ripping it apart. I found out later that they were dogs from a couple blocks away. He lost one eye and had to get his face stiched back together. Long Live Krazy Kats!!!! Behold the mighty power of crazy always beats big.
boozerker 11-21-06, 10:59 PM	For the love of God, why start this again? Who can blame anyone? Enormous interest groups made sure that message got hammered into certain people's brains, paying millions for experts to dress it up convincingly. Everyone has a right to gun control, yet remember it's a product we're dealing with. Sales increase by any means possible, so unethical companies feed the criminal system while shielding their profits behind the constitution. Target them, not guns. But with giant lobbying groups standing to lose $$ they'll scare your neighbors into believing gun rights are headed down the tubes. Or sic Fluffy on them.
epifreak 11-22-06, 01:26 AM	No, I meant why restart the damn gun control debate that nearly ruined this thread about midway through. I'm convinced that it's only Fluffy's divine powers that managed to clean things up and get this thread back on topic. I was asking why, after 7 or so pages, did zuul88 feel the need to resurrect the gun control debate.
RobbyPants 11-22-06, 08:49 AM	Fluffy attacked and pwned the posters who first brought this up. She may be stalking in the underbrush nearby...
boozerker 11-22-06, 01:49 PM	Fluffy attacked and pwned the posters who first brought this up. She may be stalking in the underbrush nearby... Steve the Commoner was debating firearms when Fluffy attacked. We know how it all started now :P
hat 11-22-06, 05:39 PM	The gun debate started at page 5. Who dare interrupt its peaceful slumber on page 19....if there be two of you then I say: A plague o' both your houses :f:
epifreak 11-22-06, 07:15 PM	Steve the Commoner was debating firearms when Fluffy attacked. We know how it all started now :P So that explains it. Okay, new adventure setting: Fluffy goes to Washington. :P
Vestigial_Thumb 11-22-06, 07:27 PM	Fluffy goes to Washington. :P Fluffy wandered into the senate and inadvertently took it over by killing the congressmen. Then she passed a bill allowing cats to vote and marry.
Cael 11-22-06, 09:22 PM	This is just a good example of why we shouldn't be using Commoner at all for NPCs, the class is considerably weaker than animal HD. I like to think of commoner as representing a small child in a system that allows NPCs to "graduate" from one class to another. Start as a commoner, grow into an expert, aristocrat, generic human HD or some such as you mature. Perhaps you go through basic training, thus you either gain a warrior HD or your human HD turns into warrior HD etc. It just makes more sense and allows NPCs to change (to reflect things such as training) without actually gaining more HD (thus becoming more powerful) rather than just different. All the poor d4 HD classes... Stuck in childhood... :( :D
__DnD4Life__ 11-24-06, 06:16 PM	for the love of god! this thread is STILL going? Wow. I leave for a couple months, and come back, and poof! from 5 pages to 12!
teenageghostcouncil 11-25-06, 12:37 AM	for the love of god! this thread is STILL going? Wow. I leave for a couple months, and come back, and poof! from 5 pages to 12! mine says 19 pages
Pippa 11-28-06, 02:53 PM	http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161821445934.gif
Vestigial_Thumb 11-28-06, 03:29 PM	http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161821445934.gif Hey, that's Fluffy's cousin Kurt! He fought in the war.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-28-06, 03:31 PM	kurt is into D20 modern, unlike fluffy who is the epitome of oldschool.
teenageghostcouncil 11-29-06, 12:06 AM	kurt is into D20 modern, unlike fluffy who is the epitome of oldschool. machine guns are oldschool? edit: avatar swich!!
Vestigial_Thumb 11-29-06, 09:51 AM	machine guns are oldschool? How did you come to that conclusion by reading his post? Machineguns are old school, though.
teenageghostcouncil 11-29-06, 12:22 PM	How did you come to that conclusion by reading his post? Machineguns are old school, though. oops, sorry I didn't understand, I should have though
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-29-06, 05:13 PM	fluffy is oldschool because she needs no tech, or fancy tricks to get the job done, all she needs to do is will something done and it happens. that's just how fluffy roles.
RobbyPants 11-29-06, 05:56 PM	So, is Fluffy Chuck Norris' cat or something? ;) Reading about all of Fluffy's powers remindes me of reading facts about Chuck Norris (http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/).
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-29-06, 06:03 PM	So, is Fluffy Chuck Norris' cat or something? ;) Reading about all of Fluffy's powers remindes me of reading facts about Chuck Norris (http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/). no, chuck is fluffy's pet human
teenageghostcouncil 11-29-06, 06:07 PM	no, chuck is fluffy's pet human I though they had reached an agreement where neither ruled over the other.
Sim_antix 11-29-06, 06:14 PM	http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161244631839.jpg
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-29-06, 06:22 PM	I though they had reached an agreement where neither ruled over the other. well yes, but that was only after chuck beged her to let him go. Sim_antix or should i say "he who shall not be named";) , you just made my comps newest and best backround.
Odinn 11-29-06, 06:24 PM	well yes, but that was only after chuck beged her to let him go. But Fluffy and Chuck are both the good guys. They would never try to hurt each other.
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-29-06, 06:26 PM	But Fluffy and Chuck are both the good guys. They would never try to hurt each other. being good (and their respective godnesses are still in question) has nothing to do with it, lot's of good people have pets.
Vestigial_Thumb 11-29-06, 07:29 PM	being good (and their respective godnesses are still in question) has nothing to do with it, lot's of good people have pets. Ah, but neither is the other's master. Chuck and Fluffy are buddies. I believe I mentioned this earlier in the thread.
krossbow 11-29-06, 07:35 PM	Nothing's more frustrating when a DM has your 1st level wizard/sorceror get attacked by a random cat sitting on a bookshelf and you die. Fear not good people! we heroes have come to save you from the massive kobold menace... OH GOD! IT'S CLAWING MY EYES OUT! *Fluffy cleans self on wizard's dead corpse*
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-29-06, 07:40 PM	Nothing's more frustrating when a DM has your 1st level wizard/sorceror get attacked by a random cat sitting on a bookshelf and you die. Fear not good people! we heroes have come to save you from the massive kobold menace... OH GOD! IT'S CLAWING MY EYES OUT! *Fluffy cleans self on wizard's dead corpse* that is exactly why every wizard should have a cat familar, that way they have terrifieing power even when they are out of spells.
Sim_antix 11-29-06, 07:48 PM	Level 1 Wizard "Don't mess with me..." Level 1 Commoner "Why? Your just a 1st level Wizard with what like 4 maybe 5 hit points?" Level 1 Wizard "Yes but I have a cat as my familar!" Level 1 Commoners Buddy "We are all going to DIE!"
Whisper_Swiftblade 11-29-06, 07:57 PM	I think it's more like commoner's buddy "We a...gurgle"
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-01-06, 04:14 PM	what's this:eek: no one has posted in days:eek: at this rate the thread could die. I can't let that happen, I know what I must do.... by the power invested in me by the mighty and powerful Fluffy the lionhearted I declare that;Thou Shalt POST
teenageghostcouncil 12-01-06, 07:47 PM	what's this:eek: no one has posted in days:eek: at this rate the thread could die. I can't let that happen, I know what I must do.... by the power invested in me by the mighty and powerful Fluffy the lionhearted I declare that;Thou Shalt POST ok ok ok I think it's more like commoner's buddy "We a...gurgle" are you sure he would have even enough time to say that much??
Vestigial_Thumb 12-01-06, 08:02 PM	are you sure he would have even enough time to say that much?? It would be more like: Commoner's bu... *gurgle*
teenageghostcouncil 12-01-06, 08:08 PM	It would be more like: Commoner's bu... *gurgle* That is what I was implying :)
Nezkrul 12-01-06, 08:26 PM	best thread evar
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-02-06, 12:29 AM	one of the many avitars of Fluffy told me useing the words "thou shalt.." would work, and to no suprise it did. so, what does Fluffy like to do in her free time, what domains can her clearics use, what alignment is she, who elce is in her pantheon, and what kind of hat does she like?
teenageghostcouncil 12-02-06, 02:08 AM	one of the many avitars of Fluffy told me useing the words "thou shalt.." would work, and to no suprise it did. so, what does Fluffy like to do in her free time, what domains can her clearics use, what alignment is she, who elce is in her pantheon, and what kind of hat does she like? thou shalt are very powerful words as for what kind of hat, I'd say a hat like jack sparrow :P
Vestigial_Thumb 12-02-06, 08:15 AM	so, what does Fluffy like to do in her free time, what domains can her clearics use, what alignment is she, who elce is in her pantheon, and what kind of hat does she like? Fluffy likes balls of yarn, scratching posts, stuff on a string and cat treats. Her domains include Good (Fluffy is one of the good guys, though she is violent), Chaos (She's a cat. Cats break rules.), Trickery, Travel, Celerity and Cats (an awesome domain that I haven't made yet, but Fluffy has it). Fluffy is Chaotic Good (crazy, but good when you're her friend (cat treats work wonders, as does money)) and she is in the pantheon of Chuck Norris' badasses (I shall count them up if you wish). as for what kind of hat, I'd say a hat like jack sparrow :P That is indeed a nice hat.
Sim_antix 12-02-06, 11:29 AM	http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1153930309570.jpg
teenageghostcouncil 12-02-06, 11:48 AM	http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1153930309570.jpg hahahha lol If I showed this to one of my freinds they would have no idea what I was talkin about
Sim_antix 12-02-06, 01:24 PM	Its Caturday! http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/voices.jpg
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-02-06, 01:26 PM	we should make the cat domain. I'm thinking for spells it would have alot of summon monsters, and summon natures allies that summon cats. If someone more skilled would be so kind as to post one up (otherwise I will need to try to my seld, and that will not be pretty), so perhaps we could recrute some clearics.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-02-06, 01:28 PM	Its Caturday! http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/voices.jpg sooo fluffy, and yet soooooo deadly
epifreak 12-02-06, 01:50 PM	Fluffy likes balls of yarn, scratching posts, stuff on a string and cat treats. Her domains include Good (Fluffy is one of the good guys, though she is violent), Chaos (She's a cat. Cats break rules.), Trickery, Travel, Celerity and Cats (an awesome domain that I haven't made yet, but Fluffy has it). Fluffy is Chaotic Good (crazy, but good when you're her friend (cat treats work wonders, as does money)) and she is in the pantheon of Chuck Norris' badasses (I shall count them up if you wish). That is indeed a nice hat. Funny, I always thought of cats as more universally lawful evil, given their "opressor to all 'inferior' species" outlook.
Vestigial_Thumb 12-02-06, 01:55 PM	Funny, I always thought of cats as more universally lawful evil, given their "opressor to all 'inferior' species" outlook. But Fluffy is a good cat if you don't mess with her. She also loves laser pointers to no end.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-02-06, 02:37 PM	well I gave it my best shot, try not to be too harsh, as this is mearly a suggestion. CAT DOMAIN granted power for a total time of one turn per clearic level you possess, you may grow claws as per the Beast claws spell (spell compendium) Cat domain spells 1) summon natures ally 1 (dire cat) 2) darkvision (seemed like a clear chois) 3) summon natures ally 3 (leapard) 4)polymorph self (some form of cat only) 5)summon natures ally 5 (dire lion) 6)harm (if a cat wants you hurt, you will be) 7)summon natures ally 7 (dire tiger) 8) *lion's roar 9)miracle (because cats in and of them selves are miricals) * inducates that spell is found in spell compendium
epifreak 12-02-06, 04:54 PM	But Fluffy is a good cat if you don't mess with her. She also loves laser pointers to no end. So maybe a very friendly, yet inclined to grudge-holding LN, then?
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-02-06, 04:57 PM	So maybe a very friendly, yet inclined to grudge-holding LN, then? sorry, can't be lawful. She is recognised as being chaotic
epifreak 12-02-06, 06:53 PM	Fair enough, CN then. She is extremely friendly until given the least provocation, wherein she reacts with excessive force.
Sim_antix 12-02-06, 07:41 PM	well I gave it my best shot, try not to be too harsh, as this is mearly a suggestion. CAT DOMAIN granted power for a total time of one turn per clearic level you possess, you may grow claws as per the Beast claws spell (spell compendium) Cat domain spells 1) summon natures ally 1 (dire cat) 2) darkvision (seemed like a clear chois) 3) summon natures ally 3 (leapard) 4)polymorph self (some form of cat only) 5)summon natures ally 5 (dire lion) 6)harm (if a cat wants you hurt, you will be) 7)summon natures ally 7 (dire tiger) 8) *lion's roar 9)miracle (because cats in and of them selves are miricals) * inducates that spell is found in spell compendium http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161163947458.jpg
Vestigial_Thumb 12-02-06, 08:38 PM	Fair enough, CN then. She is extremely friendly until given the least provocation, wherein she reacts with excessive force. But she breaks rules and is CG.
teenageghostcouncil 12-02-06, 08:45 PM	But she breaks rules and is CG. CHAOTIC NEUTRAL
Vestigial_Thumb 12-02-06, 09:11 PM	CHAOTIC NEUTRAL Your capital letters don't change the fact that I called it first. I also made Fluffy and therefore control all information regarding her.
Firebug2006 12-02-06, 09:13 PM	Ok then, 3 rounds of Steve the unarmed uber-Commoner(11,11,11,10,10,10 stats, no Toughness feat, still not wise enough to back away from the angry cat) vs. Fluffy the MM Errata nerf kitty. Match 1 Fluffy gets the jump on Steve, pouncing at his face, scratching his cheek. Steve takes a backhanded swipe at the cat, but Fluffy nimbly dodges. The cat again leaps at Steve, this time from right beneath him, but catches only pants. Steve kicks at the cat, who dodges, leaps, and again catches only clothes. Steve kicks at the cat again, is dodged again, and this time Fluffy makes good with his attack, sinking a claw into Steve's leg. Another kick from Steve, another dodge from Fluffy, and the cat manages to sink a claw into Steve's leg. After more dancing from the two, Fluffy sinks her claws into an artery in Steve's leg, killing him. (Wow, lot of crappy rolls in that match) Match 2 Fluffy leaps at Steve from the table, who swats uselessly at the cat, who lands on the ground at his feet. Fluffy goes all-out, and Steve's head comes off. (Fluffy crit twice on the Full Attack. Even the Bite. O_O ) Match 3 Steve attack the cat. Lots of dancing, eventually Steve knocks Fluffy out and brings him to the Vet Clinic. Question... since the Steve is not listed as having an armed-unarmed attack... wouldn't Fluffy be getting AoOs?
teenageghostcouncil 12-02-06, 09:29 PM	Your capital letters don't change the fact that I called it first. I also made Fluffy and therefore control all information regarding her. I have influenced her closer to the ways of evil captail letters are almost as powerfull as thou shalt, now be queit:P and how high a toughness would a cutain have? cause casts go right through those this video proves that dogs phear cats http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2336001057263201649&q=cat
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-02-06, 10:29 PM	Question... since the Steve is not listed as having an armed-unarmed attack... wouldn't Fluffy be getting AoOs? yep. I have influenced her closer to the ways of evil captail letters are almost as powerfull as thou shalt, now be queit you don't have the power to influence one such as Fluffy; who by the way is CG, because everyone knows the act of bothering a cat is pure evil. Therefor if Fluffy hates you for bothering her in any way, she kills you for being evil, and killing someone for an evil act is not considered evil, but good. So in conclution when Fluffy kills someone for makeing her mad she is acctuly being good. Oh, and one last thing; to you useing capital letters, I will counter with the increadible power of saying "I SAY NAY!"
teenageghostcouncil 12-02-06, 10:58 PM	yep. you don't have the power to influence one such as Fluffy; who by the way is CG, because everyone knows the act of bothering a cat is pure evil. Therefor if Fluffy hates you for bothering her in any way, she kills you for being evil, and killing someone for an evil act is not considered evil, but good. So in conclution when Fluffy kills someone for makeing her mad she is acctuly being good. Oh, and one last thing; to you useing capital letters, I will counter with the increadible power of saying "I SAY NAY!" well my fluffy is CN
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-03-06, 01:10 AM	well my fluffy is CN fair enuff, let's just agree to dissagree about the matter then.
epifreak 12-03-06, 02:39 AM	Oh, and one last thing; to you useing capital letters, I will counter with the increadible power of saying "I SAY NAY!" I'LL SEE YOUR BOLDED TEXT AND RAISE YOU BOLDED UNDERLINED, SO NYAH! :P
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-03-06, 03:29 AM	I'LL SEE YOUR BOLDED TEXT AND RAISE YOU BOLDED UNDERLINED, SO NYAH! :P for starters the bolded text was just for show, it was the words themselves that hold power. secondly, sir i warn you now, don't make me say the final word. you realy don't want to be hearing the final word wich is so powerful that all attempts to impurve upon it are useless. if you realy must test it thouw read it below and have your fragil sanity torn to shreads for all time, if not the two of us can live in peace. Meow you where warned, if you did read it, I hightly suggest spending the 10,000,000,000,000 of a second you have before total self anihlation to become a clearic of Fluffy so that she might deside to save your existance from the terrible power you where just exposed to.
boozerker 12-03-06, 05:27 AM	Fluffy's alignment is CLNEG. It would be more like: Commoner's bu... *gurgle* More like "gur--"
Vestigial_Thumb 12-03-06, 09:21 AM	well my fluffy is CN Your Fluffy is a lesser one.
epifreak 12-03-06, 01:43 PM	Meow I cannot dispute your logic; I must give in.
teenageghostcouncil 12-03-06, 02:55 PM	fair enuff, let's just agree to dissagree about the matter then. agreed Your Fluffy is a lesser one. agreed yet being a cat it is still god-like I cannot dispute your logic; I must give in. no one can argue with the great meow he gets a cookie
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-04-06, 04:45 PM	so what's fluffy's symbol look like?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-04-06, 05:02 PM	so what's fluffy's symbol look like? A picture of Fluffy. Fluffy is so pretty that using anything else as a symbol would just offend her.
teenageghostcouncil 12-04-06, 09:31 PM	A picture of Fluffy. Fluffy is so pretty that using anything else as a symbol would just offend her. which picture of fluffy?
epifreak 12-04-06, 10:08 PM	This is true, as there are several artistic renderings of the god-cat; which is the orthodox acceptable image?
Rolof 12-05-06, 05:37 AM	Heh...I suspect a few of the people posting in this thread have heard about the Incredible Pink Unicorn.
Kohdok 12-05-06, 10:21 AM	Meow Oooo! The dreaded Power Word Meow spell!
Vestigial_Thumb 12-05-06, 10:32 AM	This is true, as there are several artistic renderings of the god-cat; which is the orthodox acceptable image? No, I mean the actual photographs. Non-photoshopped, of course.
epifreak 12-05-06, 12:17 PM	So how are we getting actual photographs into a medieval era fantasy game? Wouldn't like a small sculpture rendering of Fluffy be more appropriate?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-05-06, 12:52 PM	So how are we getting actual photographs into a medieval era fantasy game? Wouldn't like a small sculpture rendering of Fluffy be more appropriate? No, only a photograph will work.
epifreak 12-05-06, 03:53 PM	But what about all the poor pre D20 modern clerics who want to utilize Fluffy as their patron goddess?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-05-06, 04:08 PM	But what about all the poor pre D20 modern clerics who want to utilize Fluffy as their patron goddess? Poor them. ... Though, there is the the option... of using a time machine. :shifty:
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-06-06, 09:32 PM	you guys are not going to let this thread die are you?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-06-06, 10:10 PM	you guys are not going to let this thread die are you? Hell no.
kjenks 12-07-06, 10:55 AM	I've never understood why the MM cat doesn't have the Pounce ability. It seems like an obvious thing -- the big cats all have it. And with Pounce, the Steve vs. Fluffy battle royale is over in round one, with Fluffy wearing that fancy championship title belt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCW_World_Heavyweight_Championship
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-08-06, 03:18 PM	it might have something to do with the size of the cat, and the way the wrighters invisioned the attack, but even if that is the case it is still sloppy work on WoTC's part, and I agree compleatly that the MM cat should have pounce
epifreak 12-08-06, 08:20 PM	Yeah, but think about the in-game implications of that. Suddenly it's not a question of "can this cat drop one level one character?" and more of "can this cat drop one level one party?"
Vestigial_Thumb 12-08-06, 08:39 PM	"can this cat drop one level one party?" Do you even need me to answer this?
ThugorpGimingaldthegnom 12-08-06, 09:54 PM	Your capital letters don't change the fact that I called it first. I also made Fluffy and therefore control all information regarding her. actually hauptsin made fluffy.
xColapsco 12-08-06, 09:58 PM	This thread has actually inspired what may be a truly evil encounter for the next low-level adventure I write -- a cat swarm! :evillaugh Fighter: Thats it...the demon rat swarm is over...the battle is finished... Ranger:Yeah....I guess nature has no natural ene--whats that meowing? Rogue, up on a tower spotting: Guys...we got a problem....
Vestigial_Thumb 12-08-06, 10:28 PM	actually hauptsin made fluffy. He made the concept. He gets paid royalties.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-08-06, 10:30 PM	Ok i think i will just clear this up, there are two cats called fluffy, Fluffy the all powerful whom was created by thumb, amd MM fluffy when we ask questions regarding one of the two let's make it clear which we are speaking of.
Vestigial_Thumb 12-08-06, 10:48 PM	I believe MM Fluffy was called Fluffy II (I prefer to call her Alfonso, but hey, YMMV).
teenageghostcouncil 12-09-06, 08:24 PM	Ok i think i will just clear this up, there are two cats called fluffy, Fluffy the all powerful whom was created by thumb, amd MM fluffy when we ask questions regarding one of the two let's make it clear which we are speaking of. If anybody but you or Mr. thumb is talking, they're almost almost undoubtdly talking about MM fluffy
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-09-06, 08:29 PM	If anybody but you or Mr. thumb is talking, they're almost almost undoubtdly talking about MM fluffy still, you never know for shure until it is clearified.
Vestigial_Thumb 12-09-06, 08:46 PM	Yeah, seriously, name MM Fluffy Alfonso or something.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-09-06, 08:59 PM	I'm cool with calling him (just guessing it's a him because of the name) Alfonso so what is fluffy's favored weapon?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-10-06, 09:21 AM	I'm cool with calling him (just guessing it's a him because of the name) Alfonso No, it's still a she. Fluffy's favored weapon has to be claws. And the Cat Domain has to grant claws as its Domain power.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-10-06, 12:53 PM	No, it's still a she. Fluffy's favored weapon has to be claws. And the Cat Domain has to grant claws as its Domain power. gotcha, that makes sence. Does fluuffy have any foes, she desides not to compleatly destroy because their pitiful attempts to oppose her amuse her, or did she wipe them all out?
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-11-06, 08:00 PM	page three? I think not. BUMPITH
Vestigial_Thumb 12-12-06, 09:28 AM	BUMPITH Well done, disciple.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-12-06, 09:56 PM	Well done, disciple. thanks
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-15-06, 09:53 PM	sooooo, anyone have anything to say?
Rafno 12-16-06, 01:11 AM	Fluffy: It's over Steve! I've got the high ground!
boozerker 12-16-06, 01:03 PM	Steve has travelled to this dimension of the material plane, signed on as a forum member, and is starting a petition to ban Fluffy threads. It's a failsafe plan. until Steve discovers Fluffy's a moderator :eek:
Vestigial_Thumb 12-16-06, 05:06 PM	Steve has travelled to this dimension of the material plane, signed on as a forum member, and is starting a petition to ban Fluffy threads. It's a failsafe plan. until Steve discovers Fluffy's a moderator :eek: So Steve's lack of combat prowess is only surpassed by his idiocy?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-16-06, 05:41 PM	Would this work with Fluffy? (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Murphy%27s_law_application_for_antigravi tatory_cats) EDIT: Silly me. That law is a rule. Fluffy's a cat. Cats break rules.
BlackWeasel 12-18-06, 02:32 AM	:bump: fluffy doesn't need toast fluffy can just break rule of gravity
Vestigial_Thumb 12-18-06, 09:23 AM	:bump: fluffy doesn't need toast fluffy can just break rule of gravity Well, yeah! I made her to break any rule she wanted to.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-21-06, 10:24 PM	Wow, this thread is getting way too close to dieing.
Delfedd 12-21-06, 11:07 PM	Question: Why would the cat attack? What has caused this grave turnabout in fluffies behavior? Simple. The cat recently gained it's first level in paladin. Testing his new powers, the cat detected that something wicked this way comes. Readying a full attack as well as a smite evil, Fluffy smote the agressor, only to find in his dismay that she had biten the hand that fed her. In her regret, she fell and became a blackguard, roaming the alleys and gaining undead minions. On a side note, what would a cat get for a mount?
Sledgerosaur 12-22-06, 07:47 AM	A halfling-pixie crossbreed. or mabye just a pixie or a leprechaun. btw if fluffy ever had lvs in paladin, would she get a peice of butterd toast as her special mount?
Vestigial_Thumb 12-22-06, 10:50 AM	Question: Why would the cat attack? What has caused this grave turnabout in fluffies behavior? Steve was going to have her spayed. Fluffy is Chaotic Good and will not take crap from anyone.
RobbyPants 12-22-06, 12:22 PM	My wife just picked up a stray cat, and I was trying to convince her to name it Fluffy.
Tsuul 12-22-06, 01:49 PM	My wife just picked up a stray cat, and I was trying to convince her to name it Fluffy.The cat's predicted response: Ambush.
Frodo34x 12-22-06, 06:59 PM	Question: Why would the cat attack? What has caused this grave turnabout in fluffies behavior? Simple. The cat recently gained it's first level in paladin. Testing his new powers, the cat detected that something wicked this way comes. Readying a full attack as well as a smite evil, Fluffy smote the agressor, only to find in his dismay that she had biten the hand that fed her. In her regret, she fell and became a blackguard, roaming the alleys and gaining undead minions. On a side note, what would a cat get for a mount? A celestial Porpoise
The Commoner 12-22-06, 08:44 PM	Heeeeeeyyy.... This thread is totally inacurate. . .. ... I can totally take on a cat and win. . .. ... at least I think I can.
kjenks 12-22-06, 08:54 PM	That's not the point.
Vestigial_Thumb 12-22-06, 09:19 PM	Heeeeeeyyy.... This thread is totally inacurate. . .. ... I can totally take on a cat and win. . .. ... at least I think I can. There's always one... Is your name by any chance Steve? If so, you can't say you can take on Fluffy without proving it first. Fluffy has been statted out. The one in Monster Manual is called Alfonso.
Vestigial_Thumb 12-22-06, 09:20 PM	I also move that Steve's dog be called Leroy.
boozerker 12-23-06, 12:54 AM	Heeeeeeyyy.... This thread is totally inacurate. . .. ... I can totally take on a cat and win. . .. ... at least I think I can. That's not the point. Thread's name is Cat vs. Commoner and The Commoner responded. How's that not the point? ;)
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-23-06, 12:59 AM	Heeeeeeyyy.... This thread is totally inacurate. . .. ... I can totally take on a cat and win. . .. ... at least I think I can. lol, for a moment there I thought you where serious, but then I remembered that if you where Fluffy the lionhearted would slay you before you could type the period at the end of the post.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-25-06, 05:43 PM	Leroy seems like a good name for a dog, particularly because it reminds me of people getting destroyed on WoW; which seems to be about what happens when he interfears with fluffy's vendeta with steave.
Coffee_Dragon 12-25-06, 07:00 PM	(Poof!)
Vestigial_Thumb 12-25-06, 07:40 PM	No. Alfonso would die if Steve attacked her (remember, Alfonso was not named according to her sex). Also, Alfonso got spayed. Fluffy kills anyone who is not her friend. However, if you want to pet her and give her treats, she will like you.
Coffee_Dragon 12-25-06, 08:04 PM	If that concept was unamusing, it should be edited out to prevent pointless spoilerage. But it only works if you edit it out of your post, too. Are you with me? Ready, go! Edit: thanks.
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-27-06, 02:46 AM	catnip is a valuble resorce, I suggest you all carry some around for now on, it could save your life.
PhaedrusXY 12-27-06, 09:08 AM	Real life killer cat (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=424841&in_page_id=1770)
Whisper_Swiftblade 12-27-06, 04:58 PM	Real life killer cat (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=424841&in_page_id=1770) LOL
BlackWeasel 12-29-06, 04:51 PM	What were the final stats for Fluffy
Fallenangel359 12-29-06, 09:25 PM	FLUFFY IS A TIBBIT!!!!!! give the level 20 fluffy ninja some beastclaws, enchant them +5, and a belt of magnificence, along with a ring of truestriking, and be done with it. Make fluffy be "corrupted" template, which is zero LA, btw -2 dex, -2 wis, +4 str, +4 con, fast healing 1/2 hit dice, vile damage 1/2 hit dice, with natural attacks. We now have chaotic evil tibbit fluffy. Actually, by tibbit naming rules, fluffy is actually an appropriate name :) Now fluffy has 15 base attack bonus, 20d6+con mod hitpoints, con mod raised by 4, strength raised by 4, fast healing, and vile damage, with an extra 1d6 added to each claw attack Fluffy is doing real damage now. Is vile damage effected by damage reduction? I don't believe it is... tibbit reductions are -10 str, mininum 3. corrupted counters 4 of that, and with base 14 strength, thats 8 strength, in cat form. For dex, you have +2+2-2, so +2 total, so 14, 14, 14, 12,11,8 base stats. Add in 4 points to dex from ap, and 1 point to wisdom. that makes 8, 20, 18, 12, 12, 8 add in the belt, and you now have 14 str, 26 dex, 24 con, 18 int, 18 wisdom, and 14 charisma. The belt would become a collar, and the ring would become a tag :) Tibbit polymorph rules are... different 2 from size, 8 dex, 4 wisdom, 5 ninja only 29 AC... not that great... Not terrible for a housecat that can turn invisible though. Get the beastclaws made from glassteel, they'll be almost unnoticable. Whats a light weapon to a tiny sized creature? Add in the bonus from glassteel, making them harder to spot. If you don't like ninja, you could always do swordsage... That'd be fun. Rogue would work too. With silent, and still spell... cleric could be rather abnoxious, especially if you spend a feat getting hide as a class skill... martial study shadowhand? tibbit cleric casting harm... You watch a kitty walk up to someone, and paw them on the ankle, and they fall over, dead... that'd be silly
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-01-07, 10:28 PM	bump
Korethr 01-01-07, 11:46 PM	Real life killer cat (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=424841&in_page_id=1770) Looking at that picture, that cat looks a bit on the large side for a housecat. No wonder that mailman got pwn3d.
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-06-07, 01:00 PM	this thread looks just about dead:weep:
Fallenangel359 01-06-07, 04:57 PM	it will never die
Lokiyn 01-06-07, 06:03 PM	http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph35_gallery/PHB35_PG150_WEB.jpg Alright so here is the plan. Fluffy is about to gank Steves friend Bill, a local halfling who dropped by to show of the cheese fork he got from a giant buddy for his birthday. Once Fluffy kills Bill, Steve is next now that fluffy is armed he proceeds to stab Bill, Then Vault off of bills collapsing body to Claw the eyes out of Grag the Ogre. Once Grag is blinded He will Scurry up Pauls Leg and Yowl while hanging just below the blue gem. Grag attemts to smite Fluffy Incapacitating Paul for a while. While Paul is down Fluffy uses this oppourtunity to take some of pauls hair and lasso Purple. Fluffy then uses his ride skill to start a fight between Purple and red. and then slinks off for a bowl of nice milk.
teenageghostcouncil 01-06-07, 06:20 PM	http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph35_gallery/PHB35_PG150_WEB.jpg Alright so here is the plan. Fluffy is about to gank Steves friend Bill, a local halfling who dropped by to show of the cheese fork he got from a giant buddy for his birthday. Once Fluffy kills Bill, Steve is next now that fluffy is armed he proceeds to stab Bill, Then Vault off of bills collapsing body to Claw the eyes out of Grag the Ogre. Once Grag is blinded He will Scurry up Pauls Leg and Yowl while hanging just below the blue gem. Grag attemts to smite Fluffy Incapacitating Paul for a while. While Paul is down Fluffy uses this oppourtunity to take some of pauls hair and lasso Purple. Fluffy then uses his ride skill to start a fight between Purple and red. and then slinks off for a bowl of nice milk. I have one word for you COOKIE :cookie: its all yours
Vestigial_Thumb 01-06-07, 07:51 PM	Decent. But Fluffy is not male! *Smashes Lokiyn's cookie*
Lokiyn 01-06-07, 09:04 PM	Decent. But Fluffy is not male! *Smashes Lokiyn's cookie* Well the whole thing started when bill put a new collor on fluffy, which unfortunatly was a cursed belt of gender bending sized for a jermalaine. Fluffy of course had to have revenge.
Vestigial_Thumb 01-06-07, 11:41 PM	Well the whole thing started when bill put a new collor on fluffy, which unfortunatly was a cursed belt of gender bending sized for a jermalaine. Fluffy of course had to have revenge. That jerk Steve. He deserves any pain that is inflicted on him. Luckily Fluffy can have her sex restored. Fun fact: Steve the Commoner's name is the same name Cryosilver, et al, use for bad players. Maybe this is a sign.
bhu 01-08-07, 03:33 PM	I cant believe a thread on a housecat made it to 23 pages. Anyone know what the record for page count is? I may have to post the You Tube Kitties part 2.......
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-08-07, 10:44 PM	so any good cat stories? Im a cat person myself but no good stories come to mind right now, althow I could bring up that my cat has a tendency to be hanging out near by me while I am sleeping (as shown by people telling me, and her being near when I wake up) I don't know if I should feel unsurpasively safe, or terrafied.
Azar_of_Faerun 01-08-07, 11:11 PM	I once saw a video of a cat getting it's head crushed in.
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-09-07, 04:28 PM	I once saw a video of a cat getting it's head crushed in. taht was not a cat, that was Steave whith an illution on him.
bhu 01-09-07, 11:38 PM	Just saw this in my email and thought of you guys The Cat To English Dictionary" Cat Phrase - Meaning Miaow - Feed me. meeow - Pet me. mrooww - I love you. miioo-oo-oo - I am in love and must meet my betrothed outside beneath the hedge. Don't wait up. mrow - I feel like making noise. rrrow-mawww - Please, the time is come to tidy the cat box. rrrow-miawww - I have remedied the cat box untidiness by shoveling the contents as far out of the box as was practical. miaowmiaow - Play with me. miaowmioaw - Have you noticed the shortage of available cat toys in this room? mioawmioaw - Since I can find nothing better to play with, I shall see what happens when I sharpen my claws on this handy piece of furniture. raowwwww - I think I shall now spend time licking the most private parts of my anatomy. mrowwwww - (only heard in males) I am now recalling, with sorrow, that some of my private parts did not return with me from that visit to the vet. roww-maww-roww - I am so glad to see that you have returned home with both arms full of groceries. I will now rub myself against your legs and attempt to trip you as you walk towards the kitchen. mmeww - I believe I have heard a burglar. If you would like to go and beat him senseless, I shall be happy to keep your spot in the bed warm. gakk-ak-ak - My digestive passages seem to have formed a hairball. Wherever could this have come from? I shall leave it here upon the carpeting. mow - Snuggling is a good idea. moww - Shedding is pretty good, too.
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-19-07, 07:16 PM	lol, too bad there was no translation for "I just killed something and brought it into the house, I bet you can't guess where I left it"
Kresalak 01-19-07, 10:23 PM	I once saw a video of a cat getting it's head crushed in. Crushcat?
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-20-07, 09:04 PM	soooo..... cats?
RobbyPants 01-22-07, 09:21 AM	Wow... I thought this one had died... If anyone is interested in a copy of that Fluffy Vs. Steve program I wrote (see page 17 of this thread), send me a message.
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-22-07, 05:09 PM	Wow... I thought this one had died... If anyone is interested in a copy of that Fluffy Vs. Steve program I wrote (see page 17 of this thread), send me a message. it did, but fluffy granted me the spell true resurrection so I could bring it back.
Whisper_Swiftblade 01-24-07, 06:19 PM	bump
Dead_Weasel 03-13-07, 03:31 AM	One word: Superlions (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=392292&in_page_id=1766&in_a_source=&ito=1490).
freeholder 03-14-07, 09:30 PM	Fluffy must be the best DnD inspired cat ever. I will soon get a new cat and fluffy will be its name Poor Guenavyr was hit by a car This may be symbolic
Spikes01k 03-14-07, 10:50 PM	What happens when the Commoner has a more common weapon like a Dagger or Quarterstaff instead of a Morning Star (which costs more than an average commoner might have to spare in a lifetime) I see this too. Pluse why would he even have anything bigger than a short sword. A dager or club is more likly.
Gadren 03-18-07, 08:08 PM	Fluffy's a friggin' ninja! Yeah baby! Ninja cats FTW! You have all inspired me to start this thread: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=811753 I hope you are proud of yourselves. :rolleyes:
hreslingozer 03-18-07, 08:19 PM	Dogs are very likeable.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-18-07, 08:20 PM	You have all inspired me to start this thread: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=811753 I hope you are proud of yourselves. :rolleyes: I'm not proud of myself. I'm proud of Fluffy.
Sylvaroth 03-18-07, 08:46 PM	I'm not proud of myself. I'm proud of Fluffy. Which you can be, do you realize he even made it into the d0t? Think he is in good company with Pun-Pun, the Gazebo, etc.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-18-07, 08:48 PM	Which you can be, do you realize he even made it into the d0t? Huzzah! Think he is in good company with Pun-Pun, the Gazebo, etc. :weep: Watch the gender.
twad 03-18-07, 09:01 PM	This thread has actually inspired what may be a truly evil encounter for the next low-level adventure I write -- a cat swarm! :evillaugh :eek: :gah: So much cuteness, yet so deadly.. i dont wanna imagine the pain involved..
Sylvaroth 03-19-07, 12:08 PM	:weep: Watch the gender. she! :banghead: She!! :banghead: SHe!!1 :banghead: SHE!!11oneone :banghead:
Sylvaroth 03-19-07, 12:13 PM	I think Katy is Fluffy's evil sister. She could have the obese flaw from BoVD, giving her the choice of one additional feat (maybe Willing Deformity? :D ). Meet Katy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2787627.stm)!
Gadren 03-20-07, 12:50 AM	Meet Katy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2787627.stm)! LOL. Looks like my cat.
Mulkr 03-20-07, 09:48 PM	Fluufy, if he could read, would know by heart but one book... the book of vile darkness, cat edition(this edition is much more wicked, and any creature not of an evil alignment within 120ft. automatically dies if any cat happens to glance at this book from anywhere in the world. If this thing is at the north pole, and a cat looks north, all the seals and polar bears die... AND ANY CAT HOLDING THIS BOOK AUTOMATICALLY GETS THE STATS OF PUN-PUN AND PUN-PUN AUTOMATICALLY DIES! MUAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!:evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :devil: :devil: :evillaugh :evillaugh :devil: :devil: :duel: :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :evillaugh :devil: :devil: :dragon:
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-20-07, 09:54 PM	Nah, cats are Chaotic Good. People who think they're Lawful Evil have definitely gotten on their bad side somehow. Not giving them treats is a very good way to **** off a cat. But we all know that Fluffy is an adorable little princess! Yes she is, yes she is!
Whisper_Swiftblade 03-21-07, 05:56 PM	wow, the thread lives!, I had almost forgotten it.
Mulkr 03-21-07, 09:37 PM	Thats not what i was implying, and my last post had a typo. What i meant to say was that if a cat looks at this book, all evil creatures within 120 miles dies! Also, it is called the book of vile cats because all evil cats not devoted to fluffy, and obviously doing un-cat like things, automatically get there souls sucked in to this book, and the only way there souls can get out is to follow the will of cats. also, the PUN-PUN i was talking about was pun-pun's evil twin nup-nup, who is just as powerful, but much stuppider. And, just for the record, one of the characters in my game has converted to fluffy! fluffy bless you!:P heres a:cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie: :cookie:
bhu 03-22-07, 04:07 AM	I had thought this thread was gone. I am pleased to see it still here :D It has inspired many a kitty monster in my thread over on the monster board. And a Core Class I'll have to work on...... :evillaugh
Mulkr 03-22-07, 12:04 PM	Also, hear are the true cat stats, of which my cat has assured me is all true. Me and my cat have set up a language with each other, as hardly any human has the intellegence score to understand the sudlties of cat language. Also, all followers of almighty FLUFFY, CAT LORD, OVERDIETY OF CATS! have access to bringing forth claws from within themselves, and growing the most divine thing in the multiverse: a cat tail! All followers who can cast arcane, or divine spells have the abilitie to use the fabled Power Word Meow! spell. Herer are stats of cats and cat- followers: Automatically have the following abilities of these classes: Barb20, cleric17, druid 15, monk20, paladin5, ranger17, rouge19, sorcerer20, wizard20. All of the powers of these classes are theirs, none of the restrictions! This is because, as has been mentioned, Cats break rules!. They also have the following mods. +8 hide (+30 in any cover or shadow) +8 climb (+16 in terrain with fabric) +8 jump ( add +8 each additional time they jump in a row, no limit to bonuses, all bonuses stack) +8 move silently (+16 if grass is nearbye, +32 if furniture is nearbye) +8 balance (+16 if it involves avoiding water) +12 disguise (you, people who don't like cats, are screwed.) +8 handle animal (+16 against other felines) +6 on spot, search, listen sense motive, survival and tumble checks. +16 dex, -2 str, +8 wis, -2 con, +8 int (they know where you live) +8 cha for every exp. point they earn, they increase ten levels! Also, anytime you attack a cat or cat- follower, you do quadruple that damage to yourself, for harming a cat incures divine punishment! Claws do 15d12 damage and pass through anything, have a 5-20/ x10 crit. mod., and always do instant kills on crits v.s. birds, rodents, and anything it attacks while hungry!
The_Basilisk 03-22-07, 05:34 PM	If this thing is at the north pole, and a cat looks north, all the seals and polar bears die... If you're standing on the North Pole, you can't look north. It would be south in every direction you look...
Mulkr 03-22-07, 06:25 PM	If your standing on the exact gps location, sure, but if a cat in new york city, or michigan, or arkansas decides to look north, or anywhere other than the exact gps location of the north pole, you have dead feindish seals and dead feindish polar bears. HA-HA! POWER TO THE CATS!
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-22-07, 07:11 PM	If you're standing on the North Pole, you can't look north. It would be south in every direction you look... That's a rule. I don't need to say what follows.
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 03-23-07, 01:49 AM	For those unwilling to learn cat :whatsthis :mage: :coolcthul Just saw this in my email and thought of you guys The Cat To English Dictionary" Cat Phrase - Meaning Miaow - Feed me. meeow - Pet me. mrooww - I love you. miioo-oo-oo - I am in love and must meet my betrothed outside beneath the hedge. Don't wait up. mrow - I feel like making noise. rrrow-mawww - Please, the time is come to tidy the cat box. rrrow-miawww - I have remedied the cat box untidiness by shoveling the contents as far out of the box as was practical. miaowmiaow - Play with me. miaowmioaw - Have you noticed the shortage of available cat toys in this room? mioawmioaw - Since I can find nothing better to play with, I shall see what happens when I sharpen my claws on this handy piece of furniture. raowwwww - I think I shall now spend time licking the most private parts of my anatomy. mrowwwww - (only heard in males) I am now recalling, with sorrow, that some of my private parts did not return with me from that visit to the vet. roww-maww-roww - I am so glad to see that you have returned home with both arms full of groceries. I will now rub myself against your legs and attempt to trip you as you walk towards the kitchen. mmeww - I believe I have heard a burglar. If you would like to go and beat him senseless, I shall be happy to keep your spot in the bed warm. gakk-ak-ak - My digestive passages seem to have formed a hairball. Wherever could this have come from? I shall leave it here upon the carpeting. mow - Snuggling is a good idea. moww - Shedding is pretty good, too. and I can't forget to follow up this one. lol, too bad there was no translation for "I just killed something and brought it into the house, I bet you can't guess where I left it" Actually that phrase is a look with the eyes and brow of the cat with a slight change in the mouth that looks kinda like a smirk it gives before it looks decetively around the room. If you can't interperet it you are probrably a poor student or forgetful, maybe when you find it you will remember the communicae attempt and if not then too bad you were warned. If the animal is left somewhere in the open it is a gift and not to be confuse with the hide the prey game cat's love to play with their masters and other cats. the look you get is nothing similair for it comunicates " Look what I hunted for you!" or "This is where I have been and not running around the neighborhood checking out the other cats." or "What's the matter with you? ..It is a gift stupid." This last one it is usually customary to put the animal down before the second part of the look. The first two the look is usually done just before or just after putting down the animal. OH I almost forgont one "Don't bother this, I am gonna eat it later." There are many facial and tail words and if you don't know them I suggest you look into it further.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-23-07, 11:04 PM	My cats speksd a werfik kabfurage. The dictinRRE DIES noy bedin to dexribe the difference betwejen my cayd and other catsþ Ten agisn, my cats are weirdk. BTW, whgy wasbðt this at rhge tio if the board?
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 03-23-07, 11:24 PM	My cats speksd a werfik kabfurage. The dictinRRE DIES noy bedin to dexribe the difference betwejen my cayd and other catsþ Ten agisn, my cats are weirdk. BTW, whgy wasbðt this at rhge tio if the board? spit it out...whatever is in your mouth will ya. :P :D ;).......He helped to write that didn't he.?
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-23-07, 11:27 PM	Smirnoff?
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 03-23-07, 11:29 PM	Smirnogg? Grwlomgdfft! I know he/she had to help you with it and if not dictated then, then.Then he must be assisting. Only a cat would do that.
Ventilatory_Threshold 03-23-07, 11:34 PM	I haev s resaon. Its' my 10th borthday. I'm stingisng driunk. Howecre familyt ftrieltry mtyst stay fanily friendfly so I'mf tr5uong to het to sleep. I have tp watch out thouth. I ay or may not have ****** off my two vats.
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 03-23-07, 11:50 PM	I haev s resaon. Its' my 10th borthday. I'm stingisng driunk. Howecre familyt ftrieltry mtyst stay fanily friendfly so I'mf tr5uong to het to sleep. I have tp watch out thouth. I ay or may not have ****** off my two vats. I strongly feel you got your numbers wrong with your age. And Happy Birthday! Jello:gel: Fried Onions:lop: BBQ :mage: A few snacks all around:88E: :coolcthul and entertainment:turkey:
Sylvaroth 03-24-07, 03:53 AM	Grattis på födelsedagen, V_T!!! :pint:
boozerker 03-27-07, 01:01 AM	Found this he (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=264472&page=2290)re (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=7044948&postcount=22897), wonder if it's related? http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/7/3/13/f_motivatecatm_10c60f3.jpg
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 03-27-07, 11:33 AM	Found this he (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=264472&page=2290)re (http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=7044948&postcount=22897), wonder if it's related? http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/7/3/13/f_motivatecatm_10c60f3.jpg "You are surrounded human, surrender! Even from this foxhole my underlings have circled behind you! Meoow."
DeathsAudit 04-02-07, 02:27 PM	If this cat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm) saw this (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/kobold.htm) and wanted to give it to Bob what would happen? By R.A.W.:rolleyes:
Sylvaroth 04-02-07, 03:32 PM	What's your question? Fluffy vs. Meepo? I bet they'd turn on Bob/Steve and slay him :D
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 04-04-07, 05:50 PM	If this cat (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/cat.htm) saw this (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/kobold.htm) and wanted to give it to Bob what would happen? By R.A.W.:rolleyes: Are you using Races of the Dragon? If so it would be hard to say, in case it was a very special gold skinned kolbold. ;) But probrably it would be examined and hide unless it felt compelled to approach and then skitter away or even meow at the kolbold with "Got milk?"
DeathsAudit 04-05-07, 03:26 PM	Are you using Races of the Dragon? If so it would be hard to say, in case it was a very special gold skinned kolbold. ;) But probrably it would be examined and hide unless it felt compelled to approach and then skitter away or even meow at the kolbold with "Got milk?" Just the stats in the link, no god cat, no Races of the Dragon, just a hide check, a spot check and the fight. Then we can ask why kolbolds don't become cat food before the party got into town.
Pulsecrawler 04-05-07, 07:56 PM	I can't believe this is an actual thread...
HolyGrenadeFrenzy 04-05-07, 08:41 PM	Are you using Races of the Dragon? If so it would be hard to say, in case it was a very special gold skinned kolbold. ;) But probrably it would be examined and hide unless it felt compelled to approach and then skitter away or even meow at the kolbold with "Got milk?" Actually I believe the fight is about even with the hide being better for the cat and the HP being better for the kolbold. Ever got into it with a cat whom really wanted to hurt you? Those creatures are perfect murderous b@st@rds they are! Now a kolbold is abit bigger but I have seen cats gang up on dogs just like dogs do on everything else and they seem to use a little more strategy too.
Magon 04-22-07, 02:24 PM	LIVE! LIVE! LIVE I COMAND YOU LIVE! fluffy is FEMALE both the god hand the mm version has the same name, both are fluffy Level 1 Wizard "Don't mess with me..." Level 1 Commoner "Why? Your just a 1st level Wizard with what like 4 maybe 5 hit points?" Level 1 Wizard "Yes but I have a cat as my familar!" Level 1 Commoners Buddy "We are all going to DIE!" can i sig this?
CedricBrooks 04-22-07, 02:27 PM	holy crap this thread is still going? Why haven't I been getting the emails.........
Raumz 04-22-07, 02:29 PM	LOL! A week or two ago I was getting a cuople of my players useto D&D combat, a cleric and a fighter. They went up against 2 house cats. In the battle the rolls went the cats way so the cats maimed both the fighter and the cleric to 2 or 3 HP before they were put down...so I dont really blame a commoner for looseing to a cat once and a while.
Whisper_Swiftblade 04-22-07, 06:24 PM	this thread is like what would happen if the Juggernaught (x-men) and the Energiser bunny had a child, it just keeps going, and going while smashing it's way past anything in it's way with no end in sight.
JolanthusTrel 04-28-07, 12:02 AM	Cats can run 90miles per hour, but when I seen that video of those kittens kimbing wallpaper they wheren't equal to 90 miles per hour. Maybe if they have a running start. I remember walking to work one morning and I might have scared a cat out of a bush, but it sure has hell scared me, next think I know its shot 30' across the open ground then 30' straigh up a tree wihout missing a step.
Unagru 04-28-07, 06:57 PM	What occurs in the average day of Fluffy worship? What does Fluffy do in her free time? And for Fluffy's sake, HOW THE HELLS DID THIS THREAD LAST SO LONG?!?
Whisper_Swiftblade 04-28-07, 11:51 PM	What occurs in the average day of Fluffy worship? What does Fluffy do in her free time? And for Fluffy's sake, HOW THE HELLS DID THIS THREAD LAST SO LONG?!? I do not presume to be an expert, but I think I have been with this thread long enuff to get these questions. 1)the usual; battleing foes, learing the ways of fluffy, defending cats in need (as if such a situation existed) healing the good, crushing steave for fun, srtatching up furniture, napping most of the day, and loudly praying your spells at night just as others are about to drift off to sleep (the traditional prayer being "MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW, MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW, meow! (to the tune of the meow-mix jingle) 2) quite a few things, too many to speak of realy, everything from keeping this thread alive to playing with lazer pointers, to watching over her clerics. 3) devoted clerics are not called devoted for nothing, plus no one can realy resist the power of Fluffy.
Nathreet 04-29-07, 12:29 AM	I wrote a computer simulation to handle the battle between Fluffy and "Bob" the commoner. I tried 10,000 simulated fights each round. <HTML> <HEAD> </HEAD> <BODY> <SCRIPT language = "Javascript"> var Fluffy = new Object(), Bob = new Object(), TRUE = (1 == 1), FALSE = (1 == 0); Fluffy["wins"] = 0; Bob["wins"] = 0; for(var i = 0; i < 10000; i++) { Fluffy["HP"] = 2; Fluffy["initiative"] = 2.2 + d(20); Fluffy["AC"] = 14; Fluffy["AB"] = 0; Fluffy["damageDie"] = 1; Bob["HP"] = 2; Bob["initiative"] = d(20); Bob["AC"] = 10; Bob["AB"] = 0; Bob["damageDie"] = 6; //club fighting = TRUE; round = 0; while (fighting) { round++; //Fluffy claw 1 if (Fluffy.AB + d(20) >= Bob.AC && fighting && (round > 1 || Fluffy.initiatve > Bob.initiative)) { damage = d(Fluffy.damageDie); Bob.HP -= damage; message("Fluffy claws Bob for " + damage + " damage."); if (Bob.HP < 0) {fighting = FALSE;} } else { if (fighting) {message("Fluffy claws at Bob but misses.");} } //Fluffy claw 2 if (Fluffy.AB + d(20) >= Bob.AC && fighting && (round > 1 || Fluffy.initiatve > Bob.initiative)) { damage = d(Fluffy.damageDie); Bob.HP -= damage; message("Fluffy claws Bob for " + damage + " damage."); if (Bob.HP < 0) {fighting = FALSE;} } else { if (fighting) {message("Fluffy claws at Bob but misses.");} } //Fluffy bite if (Fluffy.AB - 5 + d(20) >= Bob.AC && fighting && (round > 1 || Fluffy.initiatve > Bob.initiative)) { damage = d(Fluffy.damageDie); Bob.HP -= damage; message("Fluffy bites Bob for " + damage + " damage."); if (Bob.HP < 0) {fighting = FALSE;} } else { if (fighting) {message("Fluffy bites at Bob but misses.");} } //Bob if (Bob.AB + d(20) >= Fluffy.AC && fighting) { damage = d(Bob.damageDie); Fluffy.HP -= damage; message("Bob attacks Fluffy for " + damage + " damage."); if (Fluffy.HP < 0) {fighting = FALSE;} } else { if (fighting) {message("Bob attacks Fluffy but misses.");} } } if (Fluffy.HP < 0) { message("Bob wins."); Bob.wins++; } else { message("Fluffy wins."); Fluffy.wins++; } message("<HR>"); } message("Bob: " + Bob.wins); message("Fluffy: " + Fluffy.wins); function d(n) {return Math.floor(Math.random() * n + 1);} function message(text) { document.writeln(text + "<BR>"); } </SCRIPT> </BODY> </HTML> I gave Bob got 10's for all his stats. I gave Bob a club (1d6). Fluffy automatically got the first attack. Fluffy got 2 claws and a bite (+4/+4/-1), dealing 1 damage each. Fluffy won 52% of the matches. It didn't seem to matter much whether or not I let them roll initiative. Let me know and I can run another sim in about 20 seconds.
Sylvaroth 04-29-07, 03:10 AM	I did a little simulation myself, here are the results: Fluffy (MM cat) vs. Steve (1st-level Commoner, abilities S11/D11/C11/I10/W10/C10) Fluffy vs. Tank-Steve (Imp. Init., Chain Shirt, Heavy Mace) 52:48 Fluffy vs. Steve (Imp. Init., Heavy Mace) 58:42 Fluffy vs. Steve (Imp. Init., Dagger) 58:42 Fluffy vs. Steve (Dagger) 74:26 Fluffy vs. Steve (Unarmed strike) 86:14 Those were some really close fights. Sometimes Fluffy won with only 1 hp left, sometimes the same was true for Steve. In conclusion I must say that fluffy is definitely a lucky cat (even when fighting against Tank-Steve).
Raumz 04-29-07, 03:32 PM	Ok well now I know what to do. If my players ever get over powered and slaughter a great red wyrm at level 5 or something I will send 100 Fluffys after them. They will not survive....then the Fluffys will continue on and take over all neaby town thereby forming their own Kingdom. All hail King Fluffy!
Unagru 05-01-07, 04:11 PM	Don't you mean QUEEN Fluffy? And Fluffy is an overdeity, what would she want with a single kingdom? The cosmos bend to her will, 100 Fluffys is kind of overkill don't you think?
feraltibbit 05-01-07, 04:25 PM	Steve comes home from a long day of whatever it is that requires him to carry a Morningstar around, when his cat, Fluffy, attacks for no apparent reason! Match 1 Fluffy gets the drop on Steve, and pounces at him from the table! Ooh, a vicious gash to Steve's left arm, as he tries to defend himself! Steve counters with his morningstar, crushing Fluffy's skull. Poor Fluffy. :weep: Match 2 Steve sees the murderous gleam in Fluffy's eye, and charges at his beloved pet, Morningstar raised. Fluffy manages to dodge the attack, and the weapon smashes into the table. Now in range, Fluffy jumps at Steve's face, clawing and biting. Both claws sink into Steve's face, but he jerks away before Fluffy can bite him, and the cat lands back onto the kitchen table. Steve swings his Morningstar down again, but again Fluffy is too fast, and dodges the attack. Fluffy counters with another viscious lunge and sinks a claw into Steve's cheek, biting the tip of his nose off before landing on the floor. Steve counters with a vicious blow yet again, but this one connects, and sends Fluffy's limp body slamming into the wall. Poor Fluffy. :weep: (Good thing I gave Steve the Toughness feat, otherwise Fluffy would have had him.) Match 3 Steve runs into the room and mashes Fluffy to a gooey pulp, nearly breaking his table in half. Poor Fluffy. :weep: Match 4 Steve gets the drop on Fluffy, who nimbly dodges his attack, and leaps onto Steve's face, sinking both claws into his soft flesh, and biting the top of Steve's lip off. Steve counters, crushing Fluffy's skull. Poor Fluffy. :weep: (Good thing I gave Steve the Toughness feat, otherwise Fluffy would have had him, again.) Match 5 Steve runs into the room, smashing fluffy into the wall. Poor Fluffy. :weep: Ok, so with the Toughness feat, a Commoner stands a pretty damn good chance against a housecat. But without it... So help him [Insert name of Commoner's patron deity here]. Funny as heck...but U know, that's a good DND point. I'd just use common sense if I ran that...which would always end with "poor Fluffy"... ...unless, of course, Fluffy's actually a Tibbit or Werecat... ...then, it'll be "poor Steve".
fuzzycrusader 05-03-07, 03:11 AM	Also, why does the drooling, subserviant cur have such a high Cha? its the eyes man, THOSE PUPPY DOG EYES!!!
KurenaiYami 05-03-07, 04:28 AM	its the eyes man, THOSE PUPPY DOG EYES!!! Well, they do make wonderful necklaces...
Sylvaroth 05-03-07, 12:24 PM	Throws a flask of liquid catnips at KurenaiYami and casts Summon Fluffy X.
Nathreet 05-03-07, 09:10 PM	Kobold vs. fluffy. Kobold won 73% of matches. It makes sense: they both deal about the same damage, but the Kobold has twice as much HP. Even so, the fact that 2 cats could take down a kobold makes an army of trained cats seem pretty effective for a low level party... for the 3 minutes before the DM whacks you with his DMG. Takes 2 weeks per cat to train, though (1 week, "come"; 1 week, "attack"). I think you could train multiple cats at the same time, but I forget how many. Btw, I made a mistake on the older combat. I only gave fluffy an AB of 0 instead of +4. So Fluffy won 61% of the matches vs. Bob the commoner w/ a club. I used this for the Kobold's stats: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/kobold.htm To run the matches I ran 10,000 simulated battles using the program I posted earlier.
Magon 05-18-07, 06:56 AM	i hereby officaly bump this thread
DeathsAudit 05-21-07, 11:29 AM	Kobold vs. fluffy. Kobold won 73% of matches. It makes sense: they both deal about the same damage, but the Kobold has twice as much HP. Even so, the fact that 2 cats could take down a kobold makes an army of trained cats seem pretty effective for a low level party... for the 3 minutes before the DM whacks you with his DMG. Takes 2 weeks per cat to train, though (1 week, "come"; 1 week, "attack"). I think you could train multiple cats at the same time, but I forget how many. Btw, I made a mistake on the older combat. I only gave fluffy an AB of 0 instead of +4. So Fluffy won 61% of the matches vs. Bob the commoner w/ a club. I used this for the Kobold's stats: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/kobold.htm To run the matches I ran 10,000 simulated battles using the program I posted earlier. Cat Vs Kobold could be a great game all on its own.
RobbyPants 05-21-07, 12:27 PM	Kobold vs. fluffy. Kobold won 73% of matches. Did you write a program to simulate this too, or did you do it by hand? Man, I totally forgot about the Fluffy Vs. Steve program I wrote. I'll have to mess around with that one again :P
Nathreet 05-26-07, 12:03 AM	Did you write a program to simulate this too, or did you do it by hand? Man, I totally forgot about the Fluffy Vs. Steve program I wrote. I'll have to mess around with that one again :P Program. I posted the source code in a previous post (not too far back, maybe 1-2 pages). 10,000 simulated matches. Is your program in this thread? Which page is it on? I'd like to see it.
RobbyPants 05-26-07, 10:02 AM	Program. I posted the source code in a previous post (not too far back, maybe 1-2 pages). 10,000 simulated matches. Is your program in this thread? Which page is it on? I'd like to see it. Go to post #488 on page 17 for the results. I didn't post the source or the EXE. If you want either, PM me with your email address and I'll send them to you. It's written in VB6.
Chemus 06-30-07, 08:41 PM	:casting: *raise thread!* I'd like to point out that as written, Bob gets two feats at first level; one for being a human and one for his first level. One of those could likely have been toughness; the other unimportant. Also, being size Tiny, Fluffy provokes an attacks of opportunity from Bob for entering his space, unless Bob's flat-footed. So except on the first round, he gets AoO's on Fluffy for entering his space. If he's also attacking unarmed, however, he provokes from fluffy as well. With the adjustments above, here's what I get for the battle (run 4 times for each change listed, using a modified version of Nathreet's code from above): With Toughness Bob wins 63~64% of the time when unarmed, 80~81% weilding a dagger, 85~86% weilding a club, and 87~88% weilding a morningstar. Without Toughness, Bob wins ~66% of the time while weilding a morningstar, 62~63% while weilding a club, and 55~56% with a dagger. While Bob is unarmed and without Toughness, Fluffy wins 62~64% of the time. So, not including critical hits, which I don't see an easy way for myself to implement into the code presented, Bob the commoner has the upper hand unless he's unarmed and without the Toughness feat. Which is a likely state for commoners to be in...
WolfHati 06-30-07, 08:52 PM	Also, if a human has maneuvering room, the cat would never get to use a full attack since it doesn't threaten, the human could just run circles around it: swatting at it and backing off.
DrStalker 06-30-07, 10:11 PM	Here in Australia we have a feral cat problem, and it's nice to see the D&D rules reflecting just how tough those monsters are... after a generation or two as wild cats they are much bigger and tougher than regular cats. Put the feral template (from savage species) on fluffy and match her up against a level 1 party.
Adrez Nesnsid 06-30-07, 10:28 PM	And why does a dog have natural armor? Would that be from the chitinous plates covering its hide? If dogs have NA, humans certainly do. Also, why does the drooling, subserviant cur have such a high Cha? An even better question would be, why does a dog have a higher dexterity score than a cat. (Also, does anybody know how to get this message board to quote previous posts properly? I had to put half of the quote above (the part by Lord_Varos) back in by hand...)
TheCobra 07-01-07, 03:16 AM	This is what happens in real cat attacks: http://www.nptelegraph.com/site/index.cfm?newsid=18075698&BRD=377&PAG=461&dept_id=601696&rfi=8 They're painful, yes, but nobody dies. By they way, how do unarmed strikes provoke from the cat? The cat doesn't have reach.
Chemus 07-01-07, 04:36 AM	An even better question would be, why does a dog have a higher dexterity score than a cat. (Also, does anybody know how to get this message board to quote previous posts properly? I had to put half of the quote above (the part by Lord_Varos) back in by hand...) Apparently, since the quote bit is parsed from another quote, the board ignores it. And about cats not getting AoO's for a human attacking unarmed, I strongly believe that I'm right. I don't believe that reach is involved at all; you're attacking quite close to its body (exactly ON its body if you hit, to be precise) You're close enough for it to hit back. I will grant that RAW Steve/Bob is able to make the cat take move and attack actions. This skews the balance significantly to his favor. Even unarmed, all things being equal he has a 2/3 chance per hit of taking fluffy to the brink of unconsciousness. Fluffy has to hit twice, and since she's not attacking nearly as often now...
kjenks 07-01-07, 09:04 AM	Being Tiny, Fluffy only threatens her own square. Fluffy can take an AoO on Steve if Steve provokes an AoO while he's in Fluffy's square. See these posts: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=9962764&postcount=10 http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=9966456&postcount=52 http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10006052&postcount=138 And especially... http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=10652015&postcount=451
IRememberCecil 07-01-07, 02:13 PM	Being Tiny, Fluffy only threatens her own square. Fluffy can take an AoO on Steve if Steve provokes an AoO while he's in Fluffy's square. Fluffy threatens whatever square she wants to threaten.
happyalldaylong 07-01-07, 02:32 PM	I would find it entertaning if Fluffy was a lvl 10 wizard. though, he wouldn`t be able to open his spellbook. ok. a lvl 10 sorcerer. Lets say Fluffy was a lvl 10 sorcerer houscat ( lerned the arts over night?) and steve... naw, its cat against COMMONER... so. Fluffy the lvl 10 sorcerer vs. Steve the commoner Match 1: Steve comes sneaking around the house. 17 on move silently score, and fluffy none the wiser. Steve comes bashing through the door, and smashes fluffy to a little _ _ _ _ pulp (what coulor was fluffy again?) Poor fluffy:weep: match 2: Steve tries the backdoor. 5 on move silently, and fluffy spins around. Fluffy readies fireball. steve runs trhorugh the door, but he is to slow. Fluffy blasts him into oblivion. Match 3. Steve tries to climb up on the roof. he fails with 3 on the climb check and falls down. Fluffy blasts the door with some magic missiles. lucky steve comes charging in and smashes Fluffy to a soggy _ _ _ _ pulp. Poor Fluffy:weep: (Steve is yet again saved by his toughness feat.) All i can say is. Fluffy isn`t having a Good day
Radiun 07-01-07, 03:49 PM	I would find it entertaning if Fluffy was a lvl 10 wizard. though, he wouldn`t be able to open his spellbook. ok. a lvl 10 sorcerer. Lets say Fluffy was a lvl 10 sorcerer houscat ( lerned the arts over night?) and steve... naw, its cat against COMMONER... so. Fluffy the lvl 10 sorcerer vs. Steve the commoner Match 1: Steve comes sneaking around the house. 17 on move silently score, and fluffy none the wiser. Steve comes bashing through the door, and smashes fluffy to a little _ _ _ _ pulp (what coulor was fluffy again?) Poor fluffy:weep: match 2: Steve tries the backdoor. 5 on move silently, and fluffy spins around. Fluffy readies fireball. steve runs trhorugh the door, but he is to slow. Fluffy blasts him into oblivion. Match 3. Steve tries to climb up on the roof. he fails with 3 on the climb check and falls down. Fluffy blasts the door with some magic missiles. lucky steve comes charging in and smashes Fluffy to a soggy _ _ _ _ pulp. Poor Fluffy:weep: (Steve is yet again saved by his toughness feat.) All i can say is. Fluffy isn`t having a Good day Or Fluffy had Cast Otiluke's Resilient Sphere on hereself or Mage Armour and Shield instead of being a "Shoot it till it's dead" Blaster Sorceror :P Better Yet, Polymorph into a Dire Liger :P
bhu 07-02-07, 02:46 AM	Awright the thread is back!! Viva Cats!!
Whisper_Swiftblade 07-02-07, 03:06 AM	Just when you thought it was safe to post again, the thread is back with a vengence!
Optimator 08-28-07, 03:08 AM	Just when you thought it was safe to post again, the thread is back with a vengence! Not enough vengeance, apparently.
Magon 09-27-07, 02:06 AM	monthly bump
stsword 09-27-07, 03:47 AM	What someone needs to do is have an evil duskblade with a cat familiar, who sends Fluffy to eliminate entire villages for his sick twisted amusement.
true_shinken 12-10-07, 02:44 PM	What someone needs to do is have an evil duskblade with a cat familiar, who sends Fluffy to eliminate entire villages for his sick twisted amusement. I guess you mean Hexblade.
sapient 12-10-07, 06:18 PM	Don't know if this has been raised before, but the existence of cats are *actually* the reason why elves haven't been able to take over the world by sheer numbers. It stands to reason. We know that, on a statistical level, cats are one of the chief reasons (among famine, war, pestilence and bad hair days) to cull the the population of humans. About one in three commoners have a pet. About one in three pet-owners have a cat. In a cat-owning family of four, statistically 1.2 persons will be killed by that cat. That's just the math - those numbers are untouchable. Elves are a lot closer to nature than men are. A lot more of them have pets. Some of those that have pets, have cats for pets. Some of those cats end up killing their owners, because they are ****** with them or just for the hell of it. Also, to compund the effect of a higher prevalence of cats among elves, there are a higher number of wizards in that population. Wizards have bad hit points. The number of fatalities in a single family rise to 1.5. And so, all of the elven longevity and other beneficient factors like immunity to diseases and stuff, are erradicated by the common cat. Little known fact: Did you know that Gnomes employ an elite guard of skilled fighters to protect against cats? It's true. They have a long, very prestigious history and have developed several effective techniques that they employ whenever one of the brute beasts penetrate a Gnome city. They are affectionately called the "Catskills". .
Leo 12-11-07, 05:43 PM	So, it's the wizard who gets a cat familiar, or the cat that takes an arcane caster slave?
mathew99 12-11-07, 07:03 PM	did we forget to mention that fluffy is a 200th lvld druid? What's that fluffy, u cast what, appoca... what from the sky?
RobbyPants 12-12-07, 11:27 AM	So, it's the wizard who gets a cat familiar, or the cat that takes an arcane caster slave? The wizard just thinks he has a cat familiar. The cat has, in fact, Dominated him. The cat uses the wizard's spells and items to travel inconspicuously through town without invoking fear in all the commoners.
Magon 12-18-07, 02:02 PM	this forum is sick, SICK i say. it can host this thread for THIS LOONG?.... actualy, we are sick, the forum is fine
RobbyPants 12-18-07, 02:45 PM	Maybe I should start peddeling my Fluffy Vs. Steve Combat Simulator again. :P
kjenks 01-09-08, 10:30 AM	Belkar loves Fluffy. http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0520.html
Magon 04-12-08, 06:27 PM	LIVE! LIVE! THE FLUFFY WILL SURVIVE!
bhu 04-13-08, 03:20 AM	LIVE! LIVE! THE FLUFFY WILL SURVIVE! :heehee
ciaran 04-13-08, 03:29 AM	I have three cats, and I know for a fact that their AC is higher than 14. It just seems that way cause you're fighting defensively and trying to feint puss before initiating a grapple. Its tough being a commoner.
Magon 04-13-08, 07:03 AM	:heehee 'COURSE I'M BACK, form 4th Ed forums and i walking in to find him sitting there with that sad look upon his face!